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Latest rumor: 997 Turbo Powerkit is coming (as we suspected a while ago), estimated power is 510-515 HP, slightly below the power figure of the upcoming 997 GT2 (rumored 520-530 HP). No availability date known yet but rumors indicate summer or autumn 2007, maybe even earlier.

There is also a very good chance that the powerkit will NOT be retrofittable...unfortunately.

I am sorry but if these numbers are true and real, it is plain ridiculous to buy that package for only 30 hp more, .

You are missing the big picture. Higher top speed, much better acceleration, bigger intercoolers and a reinforced gearbox. Probably bigger displacement as well. Chip THAT and then talk about how it isn't worth it .

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Latest rumor: 997 Turbo Powerkit is coming (as we suspected a while ago), estimated power is 510-515 HP, slightly below the power figure of the upcoming 997 GT2 (rumored 520-530 HP). No availability date known yet but rumors indicate summer or autumn 2007, maybe even earlier.

There is also a very good chance that the powerkit will NOT be retrofittable...unfortunately.

I am sorry but if these numbers are true and real, it is plain ridiculous to buy that package for only 30 hp more, .

You are missing the big picture. Higher top speed, much better acceleration, bigger intercoolers and a reinforced gearbox. Probably bigger displacement as well. Chip THAT and then talk about how it isn't worth it .

bigger intercoolers and a reinforced gearbox seem very attractive

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Maybe they will improve the exhaust with the powerkit. Yesterday I was behind one in my mini and it sounded very whimpish. I just don't know why they castrated the car.

You all have to grow up. The car is not castrated! The loud sounding exhausts only appeal to people with a need to show themselves... perhaps they themselves lack something.

Every time I'm on a 30MPH traffic lane and hear a loud exhaust, 9 out of 10 times it is an F360/430 or some such. How ridiculous... sounding like 120MPH but only doing 30MPH. A loud dog with no bite - really!

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My guess is that, after one puts a new chip in, adds a new exhaust, and spends a lot of time in shops, etc., that one would spend very close to the price of the powerkit. I had such an experience with my modified 996TT.

Yes, but you still don't get the new ICs or the stronger transmission. The Powerkit is well worth it if one spends so much money on a car.

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Latest rumor: 997 Turbo Powerkit is coming (as we suspected a while ago), estimated power is 510-515 HP, slightly below the power figure of the upcoming 997 GT2 (rumored 520-530 HP). No availability date known yet but rumors indicate summer or autumn 2007, maybe even earlier.

There is also a very good chance that the powerkit will NOT be retrofittable...unfortunately.

I am sorry but if these numbers are true and real, it is plain ridiculous to buy that package for only 30 hp more, .

You are missing the big picture. Higher top speed, much better acceleration, bigger intercoolers and a reinforced gearbox. Probably bigger displacement as well. Chip THAT and then talk about how it isn't worth it .

I got the big picture, my problem is that (in the US), you can get all that stuff you mentioned and much more, for a lot less than 17k$ or whatever the package costs (warranty issue aside).
For me, most of that cost would be to have the warranty and that is way too much I think.
also, a chipped powerkit would not be too far ahead of a chipped stock and doing that defeats the purpose (warranty).

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My guess is that, after one puts a new chip in, adds a new exhaust, and spends a lot of time in shops, etc., that one would spend very close to the price of the powerkit. I had such an experience with my modified 996TT.

Yes, but you still don't get the new ICs or the stronger transmission. The Powerkit is well worth it if one spends so much money on a car.

That's simply not true..

about 14k installed and you have Stage 4 EVO - includes ultra high performance swain coated intercoolers.

EVO stage 4 will totally smoke your Porsche powerkit for power.

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My guess is that, after one puts a new chip in, adds a new exhaust, and spends a lot of time in shops, etc., that one would spend very close to the price of the powerkit. I had such an experience with my modified 996TT.

Yes, but you still don't get the new ICs or the stronger transmission. The Powerkit is well worth it if one spends so much money on a car.

That's simply not true..

about 14k installed and you have Stage 4 EVO - includes ultra high performance swain coated intercoolers.

EVO stage 4 will totally smoke your Porsche powerkit for power.

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You all have to grow up. The car is not castrated! The loud sounding exhausts only appeal to people with a need to show themselves...

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Maybe they will improve the exhaust with the powerkit. Yesterday I was behind one in my mini and it sounded very whimpish. I just don't know why they castrated the car.

You all have to grow up. The car is not castrated! The loud sounding exhausts only appeal to people with a need to show themselves... perhaps they themselves lack something.

Every time I'm on a 30MPH traffic lane and hear a loud exhaust, 9 out of 10 times it is an F360/430 or some such. How ridiculous... sounding like 120MPH but only doing 30MPH. A loud dog with no bite - really!

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My guess is that, after one puts a new chip in, adds a new exhaust, and spends a lot of time in shops, etc., that one would spend very close to the price of the powerkit. I had such an experience with my modified 996TT.

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In my books, the quieter the car is, the better as I can do my business, enjoy the music, talk on the phone or with my passenger...

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In contrast, taking your normal Turbo into the shop, where they will have to take out the engine and transmission, disassemble the engine, bore out the cylinder walls, put the engine back together, buy and install bigger turbochargers, tear apart and rebuild the transmission with stronger parts, not to mention buying bigger intercoolers... Honestly, I'd go with the powerkit, even if one plans to tune the car.

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In contrast, taking your normal Turbo into the shop, where they will have to take out the engine and transmission, disassemble the engine, bore out the cylinder walls, put the engine back together, buy and install bigger turbochargers, tear apart and rebuild the transmission with stronger parts, not to mention buying bigger intercoolers... Honestly, I'd go with the powerkit, even if one plans to tune the car.

The GT1 based flat sixes are never "re bored" , one has to have new cylinders with matching new pistons hence why its quite expensive

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As others have said

1)if you plan on modding the car, the same power output will be achievable without or without the powerkit. I'm pretty sure you would be able to buy 2-3 new Getrag transmissions as spares for the price of the powerkit if you are worried about durability

2)if you don't plan on modding the TT, 20-30hp increase should be achievable with a simple exhaust change

3)if the powerkit really is a 3.8, or includes larger turbos, Porsche would have to be intentionally restricting the engine to gain only 20-30hp.

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In my books, the quieter the car is, the better as I can do my business, enjoy the music, talk on the phone or with my passenger...

The louder and more raw my Turbo the better. The music I listen to is the engine/exhaust symphony, I can't talk on the phone because both hands are being used to enjoy the driving experience, and the only sound coming form my passenger is the gasp of air emitted when they experience full boost.

The Turbo is a sports car, not a luxo-cruiser.

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In my books, the quieter the car is, the better as I can do my business, enjoy the music, talk on the phone or with my passenger...

The louder and more raw my Turbo the better. The music I listen to is the engine/exhaust symphony, I can't talk on the phone because both hands are being used to enjoy the driving experience, and the only sound coming form my passenger is the gasp of air emitted when they experience full boost.

The Turbo is a sports car, not a luxo-cruiser.

I guess I'm too shy or timid, I find I can speed much better when I don't get the attention from others, especailly the cops. And I buy these cars to speed.

I used to like the AMG best, always in the stealth mode, but then, they don't handle well enough.

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Basically, the car will go quite a bit faster than the normal Turbo, all of this with warranty.

The tuning potential is a side benefit. A 3.8-litre engine isn't something you'd want to do by yourself (boring out an engine isn't exactly a small upgrade) and having all the hardware factory installed (stronger tranny, bigger intercoolers and turbochargers) also spares you lots of hassle. Any tuning is basic plug and play - install a better exhaust, flash the ECU and Voila, 600 bhp.

In contrast, taking your normal Turbo into the shop, where they will have to take out the engine and transmission, disassemble the engine, bore out the cylinder walls, put the engine back together, buy and install bigger turbochargers, tear apart and rebuild the transmission with stronger parts, not to mention buying bigger intercoolers... Honestly, I'd go with the powerkit, even if one plans to tune the car.

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Basically, the car will go quite a bit faster than the normal Turbo, all of this with warranty.

The tuning potential is a side benefit. A 3.8-litre engine isn't something you'd want to do by yourself (boring out an engine isn't exactly a small upgrade) and having all the hardware factory installed (stronger tranny, bigger intercoolers and turbochargers) also spares you lots of hassle. Any tuning is basic plug and play - install a better exhaust, flash the ECU and Voila, 600 bhp.

In contrast, taking your normal Turbo into the shop, where they will have to take out the engine and transmission, disassemble the engine, bore out the cylinder walls, put the engine back together, buy and install bigger turbochargers, tear apart and rebuild the transmission with stronger parts, not to mention buying bigger intercoolers... Honestly, I'd go with the powerkit, even if one plans to tune the car.

Crash,
Do we know for fact thet the power kit will include a 3.8L engine?

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W211 said:I find I can speed much better when I don't get the attention from others, especially the cops. And I buy these cars to speed.

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In my books, the quieter the car is, the better as I can do my business, enjoy the music, talk on the phone or with my passenger...

The louder and more raw my Turbo the better. The music I listen to is the engine/exhaust symphony, I can't talk on the phone because both hands are being used to enjoy the driving experience, and the only sound coming form my passenger is the gasp of air emitted when they experience full boost.

The Turbo is a sports car, not a luxo-cruiser.

I guess I'm too shy or timid, I find I can speed much better when I don't get the attention from others, especailly the cops. And I buy these cars to speed.

I used to like the AMG best, always in the stealth mode, but then, they don't handle well enough.

They are fast, though.

E55 138-308 km/h

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In my books, the quieter the car is, the better as I can do my business, enjoy the music, talk on the phone or with my passenger...

The louder and more raw my Turbo the better. The music I listen to is the engine/exhaust symphony, I can't talk on the phone because both hands are being used to enjoy the driving experience, and the only sound coming form my passenger is the gasp of air emitted when they experience full boost.

The Turbo is a sports car, not a luxo-cruiser.

I guess I'm too shy or timid, I find I can speed much better when I don't get the attention from others, especailly the cops. And I buy these cars to speed.

I used to like the AMG best, always in the stealth mode, but then, they don't handle well enough.

They are fast, though.

E55 138-308 km/h

Approximately on par with 996TTS or 997GT3 (200-305kph based on speedo, i.e. assuming comparable speedo accuracy)

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Any link to this rumored PK and the AMS test with the rumored 512hp TT?

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Any link to this rumored PK and the AMS test with the rumored 512hp TT?

AMS test with rumoured 512 HP TT? Did I miss something?

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Sport Auto website

Videos #5 and #6.

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Sport Auto website

Videos #5 and #6.

Sport Auto isn't AMS, even if AMS is "producing" Sport Auto. This must be a typo, the text also claims that the suspension of the 997 Turbo is adjustable and can be adjusted to track profile (which of course is BS but maybe they were referring to the GT3). Porsche does NOT give Sport Auto a powerkit equipped Turbo for testing before they even officially announce it.

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They are fast, though.

E55 138-308 km/h

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In my books, the quieter the car is, the better as I can do my business, enjoy the music, talk on the phone or with my passenger...

The louder and more raw my Turbo the better. The music I listen to is the engine/exhaust symphony, I can't talk on the phone because both hands are being used to enjoy the driving experience, and the only sound coming form my passenger is the gasp of air emitted when they experience full boost.

The Turbo is a sports car, not a luxo-cruiser.

I guess I'm too shy or timid, I find I can speed much better when I don't get the attention from others, especailly the cops. And I buy these cars to speed.

I used to like the AMG best, always in the stealth mode, but then, they don't handle well enough.

They are fast, though.

E55 138-308 km/h

Approximately on par with 996TTS or 997GT3 (200-305kph based on speedo, i.e. assuming comparable speedo accuracy)

You're saying that the 997 GT3 is as fast as the Turbo S?