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JimFlat6 said:
Adias, The Nissan GT is actually a 70K version of their 30K new Skyline. I dont know how many regular Skylines they sell, but I bet their sales will be substantial.

I dont want a go fast Nissan Skyline because at the end of the day its just a hyper fast ultra techy Nissan Skyline. I dont buy chicken from KFC either. Id rather personally contribute to the cars dynamic ability then let a billion lines of code do it for me.

Isnt the GT-R just a new fakey kind of sports car? Its seems like a wierd half car half robot that does everything for you. No fun at that. I dont want it.

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nberry said:Jim, I would take the GT-R in a heart beat. I have already made inquiries and waiting for an answer. It will be a great track car.

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KresoF1 said:
Till starts of EU sales GT-R Ring time will be lowered to 7.10min...

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eclou said:
Tobey, if it is a 7:50 car it is still a performance bargain. I just think this 7:29 is very far fetched and timed correctly to take attention away from the tranny failures that are occurring in low mile cars.

You really do think it is BS don't you ? Have Nissan got a history of doing this sort of thing ? I can't see where your grounds for sceptism are coming from ?
How many trannies have broken, I only read about the one from the tuner ?

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Carlos from Spain said:

Factory claims of the Nring of ANY maker is for dummies, but this 7,29, is going to far, its an insult to anybodies intelligence.

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nberry said:Jim, I would take the GT-R in a heart beat. I have already made inquiries and waiting for an answer. It will be a great track car.

Nick, I'm curious, when was the last time you were at the track and what car did you drive?

The GT-R will be a great "street"car and will make a poor track car. Generally people go to the track to improve their sport driving, explore the limits of the car in a safe enviroment and most importantly to have fun. In which case what precisely you don't want is a 3850lbs car with AWD and electronics that are designed to be able to drive the car very fast with ease taking away from the "driver factor". Along with the fact that the GT-R needs desproportionate maintenace cost if taken into the track as Way already reported. A good track car would be a Z06, a GT3, an Exige, CSL, etc depending on your preferences and resources.

Like I said, I'm curious about your statement and it would help to understand it if you tell us when was the last time you were at thee track and what did you choose to drive

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MKSGR said:

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eclou said:
Tobey, if it is a 7:50 car it is still a performance bargain. I just think this 7:29 is very far fetched and timed correctly to take attention away from the tranny failures that are occurring in low mile cars.

You really do think it is BS don't you ? Have Nissan got a history of doing this sort of thing ? I can't see where your grounds for sceptism are coming from ?
How many trannies have broken, I only read about the one from the tuner ?

It is impossible to do a 7.29 in a car like the GTR. The GTR is heavy and underpowered (for such lap time). HvS did a 7.50 with the GTR and stated that a slightly better time could be doable under better conditions. Let's wait for the first reliable tests and not discuss completey ridiculous marketing statements of Nissan.

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nberry said:
Why Europeans accuse ROW of fudging numbers while their beloved Sportauto is the Bible, Torah and Koran of automobiles car reviews is equivalent to extreme religious views.

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JimFlat6 said:
Nick, reading your posts above any observer would conclude that you possess a strange amount of reactionary animus towards HvS and Porsche and perhaps to Europeans here in general.

Or maybe you just like to pull their hair.

Are you the cheerleader for all things reactionary and paranoid?

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nberry said:Carlos when was the last time you tracked a car?

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nberry said:
FWIW, I was in the very first PDE class in the US. My last Porsche was a 996 Cab. and it was manual. I tracked that car. Since I only drive convertibles and most track do not allow them unless heavily modified tracking is not an option.

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MKSGR said:

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TB993tt said:

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eclou said:
Tobey, if it is a 7:50 car it is still a performance bargain. I just think this 7:29 is very far fetched and timed correctly to take attention away from the tranny failures that are occurring in low mile cars.

You really do think it is BS don't you ? Have Nissan got a history of doing this sort of thing ? I can't see where your grounds for sceptism are coming from ?
How many trannies have broken, I only read about the one from the tuner ?

It is impossible to do a 7.29 in a car like the GTR. The GTR is heavy and underpowered (for such lap time). HvS did a 7.50 with the GTR and stated that a slightly better time could be doable under better conditions. Let's wait for the first reliable tests and not discuss completey ridiculous marketing statements of Nissan.

Why Europeans accuse ROW of fudging numbers while their beloved Sportauto is the Bible, Torah and Koran of automobiles car reviews is equivalent to extreme religious views. V. Saurma is not the last word. His expereince is with Porsche manual and new race technologies are apparently beyond his grasp.

Hey if SportAuto was seriously interested in testing the GT-R they could get one from Nissan whatever the cost. However, I do suspect Nissan is wary of V. Saurma like other car manufacturers are for reasons I stated above.

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JimFlat6 said:
Nick, reading your posts above any observer would conclude that you possess a strange amount of reactionary animus towards HvS and Porsche and perhaps to Europeans here in general.

Or maybe you just like to pull their hair.

Are you the cheerleader for all things reactionary and paranoid?

A little of all of the above.

However, I do get tired of the refrain that only Germans know how to test cars and their results are conclusive. How old is V. Saurma? In his 50-60's? Does he know what PDK is or F1? When great YOUNG Japanese, US, Swedish, Italian, etc drivers do the Ring their results are discounted as fraudulent. Put V. Saurma in the car and it is the word from God.

I am not bashing Germans. I am trying to level the playing field.

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AUM said:
Why would Sport Auto post the 7.29 GTR time if they doubt its validity?

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Nidge said:
I would be interested to know how Porsche lovers would react to this? Porsche has just announced its specification for its facelift 911 S. The car will have 480 bhp, will take just 3.5 seconds to reach 60 and will go on to reach a top speed of 193. To reward its customers Porsche have reduced its price to Pounds53K but due to the engine being hand built supply will be restricted to an exclusive 500 units a year. To offset this Porsche has announced that at no cost all owners will have their cars personally collected from and delivered back to a location of your choice when the vehicle is in for servicing. Competitors of Porsche have reacted by saying, "this performance cannot be true and by the way the car is ugly)

I really wish my 911S was going to get that level of performance next time around. And before we discuss electronics, I am really glad I have all the software gimmickry on my tail happy 911. What would we also say if the new PDK had launch control?

You have to really give it to Nissan; the fact that we are all talking about the GTR and that its order books are closed means that they have achieved their objectives.

As a Porsche owner what really worries me is when the respected Jason Plato (British Touring Car Champion and current 911 turbo owner) provides such a compelling report on the British TV program "5th Gear" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN3zx8Y4pNM

Whilst the looks are subjective the cars performance appears real enough.

Right now i still feel comfortable in my 911. Quite how i will feel when a GTR pulls up besides me before leaving me in the dust is yet to be determined. I suspect it will be hard to bear, especially when i have paid 20K more the Privilege of being a small dot in someones rear view mirror.

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nberry said:Carlos when was the last time you tracked a car?

Once or twice every year. My next visit will be in less than a months time.

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nberry said:
FWIW, I was in the very first PDE class in the US. My last Porsche was a 996 Cab. and it was manual. I tracked that car. Since I only drive convertibles and most track do not allow them unless heavily modified tracking is not an option.

A Cab and that was like 8 years ago? explains a lot of things. BTW, you don't have to use your own car to be able to attend track days/events.

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Nidge said:
I would be interested to know how Porsche lovers would react to this? Porsche has just announced its specification for its facelift 911 S. The car will have 480 bhp, will take just 3.5 seconds to reach 60 and will go on to reach a top speed of 193. To reward its customers Porsche have reduced its price to Pounds53K but due to the engine being hand built supply will be restricted to an exclusive 500 units a year. To offset this Porsche has announced that at no cost all owners will have their cars personally collected from and delivered back to a location of your choice when the vehicle is in for servicing. Competitors of Porsche have reacted by saying, "this performance cannot be true and by the way the car is ugly)

I really wish my 911S was going to get that level of performance next time around. And before we discuss electronics, I am really glad I have all the software gimmickry on my tail happy 911. What would we also say if the new PDK had launch control?

You have to really give it to Nissan; the fact that we are all talking about the GTR and that its order books are closed means that they have achieved their objectives.

As a Porsche owner what really worries me is when the respected Jason Plato (British Touring Car Champion and current 911 turbo owner) provides such a compelling report on the British TV program "5th Gear" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN3zx8Y4pNM

Whilst the looks are subjective the cars performance appears real enough.

Right now i still feel comfortable in my 911. Quite how i will feel when a GTR pulls up besides me before leaving me in the dust is yet to be determined. I suspect it will be hard to bear, especially when i have paid 20K more the Privilege of being a small dot in someones rear view mirror.

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JimFlat6 said:
If you are shopping 0 to 60mph for price and "value" try a 08 Chevy Cobalt SS FWD hatchback. Brembo brakes, Sport Chrono, "no lift shifting", launch control!!! and its turbo doesnt lessen speed during shifting. It even has a Swedish gearbox!!!35mpg!!!

0 to 100 mph in 12 sec.

0 to 60 in 5.5 sec and 1/4 mile time of 14 flat at 103.6mph.

Its quicker than a base Boxster, only $22K and its turbocharged engine is easy to tweak for another 50-60hp.

Should Boxster owners now line up at Chevy dealers?

Is one Nissan GT-R worth 4 Chevy Cobalts?

Quicker than a Speeding Boxster !

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nberry said:

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Carlos from Spain said:

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nberry said:Carlos when was the last time you tracked a car?

Once or twice every year. My next visit will be in less than a months time.

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nberry said:
FWIW, I was in the very first PDE class in the US. My last Porsche was a 996 Cab. and it was manual. I tracked that car. Since I only drive convertibles and most track do not allow them unless heavily modified tracking is not an option.

A Cab and that was like 8 years ago? explains a lot of things. BTW, you don't have to use your own car to be able to attend track days/events.

Ah, now I understand. Once or twice a year makes you an expert in tracking and I who have track cars probably as long as you have been on this earth know nothing. I am not surprised by your logic.

Since you all believe that SportAuto is the gold standard, answer this question; where does SportAuto get their cars for testing? From the manufacturer, buy it from a dealer or are they furnished by present owners?

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AUM said:
Why would Sport Auto post the 7.29 GTR time if they doubt its validity?

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Nidge said:
I would be interested to know how Porsche lovers would react to this? Porsche has just announced its specification for its facelift 911 S. The car will have 480 bhp, will take just 3.5 seconds to reach 60 and will go on to reach a top speed of 193. To reward its customers Porsche have reduced its price to Pounds53K but due to the engine being hand built supply will be restricted to an exclusive 500 units a year. To offset this Porsche has announced that at no cost all owners will have their cars personally collected from and delivered back to a location of your choice when the vehicle is in for servicing. Competitors of Porsche have reacted by saying, "this performance cannot be true and by the way the car is ugly)

I really wish my 911S was going to get that level of performance next time around. And before we discuss electronics, I am really glad I have all the software gimmickry on my tail happy 911. What would we also say if the new PDK had launch control?

You have to really give it to Nissan; the fact that we are all talking about the GTR and that its order books are closed means that they have achieved their objectives.

As a Porsche owner what really worries me is when the respected Jason Plato (British Touring Car Champion and current 911 turbo owner) provides such a compelling report on the British TV program "5th Gear" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN3zx8Y4pNM

Whilst the looks are subjective the cars performance appears real enough.

Right now i still feel comfortable in my 911. Quite how i will feel when a GTR pulls up besides me before leaving me in the dust is yet to be determined. I suspect it will be hard to bear, especially when i have paid 20K more the Privilege of being a small dot in someones rear view mirror.

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MKSGR said:
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Sigh... Not again. How often shall those who know Sportauto and its Supertest explain to those who have never ever read a single copy of a Supertest why there is no comparable magazine test out there

Of course, the Supertest can be criticized as well. However, as per today no comparably comprehensive and objective sports car test is available

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AUM said:
Why would Sport Auto post the 7.29 GTR time if they doubt its validity?

Simple answer: some employee just doing copy and paste. Do you expect one of the professionals (those doing the magazine) to review each and every item they put on their web site? They just copy in what kind of content they can find

BTW: I am really surprised that you seem to believe in that BS. You are usually so well informed and have quite a balanced and professional opinion

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KresoF1 said:
Since Horst only achieved 7.52min 997TT(and official Porsche claim is 7.40min with Rohrl) that means that even 7.40min for GT-R in Horst hands would be excellent result. Just Horst also did 7.33min in 997 GT2(and offical Rohrl time is 7.32min...)...