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Re: 718 Boxster
bluelines:That can't be possible because everyone here who have not heard it says that it sounds bad
I know a lot of people who love how the old Beetle sounded... My kids' god father had a Karmann Ghia and while he owns a 911 now (911 s...old one), he still has fond memories of the Karmann Ghia and that Beetle engine sound. Not my cup of tea though...
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olli:Hi RC, all I can say is that I wished my old Beetle, back then in the fog of history, had sounded like the new 718 does now...
The 718 is louder...yes...this we can agree on. 
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Re: 718 Boxster
I too heard the Boxster 718 sound and in all honesty it does sound better than in the videos we saw recently. However it sounds pretty good relatively to 4 cylinder engine. The issue is in the comparison with the flat six. I am sure the 718 will be a very good ,fast, efficient Porsche but the trademark sound is, I am afraid ,gone for good.
Apr 28, 2016 12:20:25 PM
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Still got my Beetle, with custom exhaust and twin, dual Dellorto carbs.. doesn't sound at all bad IMO 
The Scooby turbo flat 4s can sound pretty good, although that burbling of the old ones is apparently down to unequal length pipes before the collector.. Point being, 4s can be made to sound quite decent..
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Apr 28, 2016 12:35:33 PM
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DaveGordon:Still got my Beetle, with custom exhaust and twin, dual Dellorto carbs.. doesn't sound at all bad IMO
The Scooby turbo flat 4s can sound pretty good, although that burbling of the old ones is apparently down to unequal length pipes before the collector.. Point being, 4s can be made to sound quite decent..
But seldom, if ever, as good as a six, and that's the issue - and the four is more expensive....
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DaveGordon:True - a turbo 4 will never sound tuneful like a NA 6.. I guess I meant that just because it is a 4, that doesn't necessarily mean it can't have a characterful soundtrack, albeit different in nature from a 6.
Alfa Romeo (and just occasionally FIAT) used to be masters at demonstrating that.
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SciFrog:Maybe in the minority but I don't think the V6 turbo Macan sounds that much worse than the V8 turbo Cayenne was. Maybe same can be said for V6 vs v4?
The V6 Turbo Macan with PSE is louder than the Cayenne Turbo but I'm not a fan of the sound. Sounds a bit like a mixture between a BMW 325i (old model) and a 911. 
Not my thing. The Cayenne Turbo sounds very nice but the sound is muted. Even with PSE. Not sure why Porsche did that but I guess they had their reasons. I still love the muted V8 sound more than the loud(er) Macan sound.
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The V6 Turbo Macan with PSE is louder than the Cayenne Turbo but I'm not a fan of the sound. Sounds a bit like a mixture between a BMW 325i (old model) and a 911.
I recently drove a facelifted Panamera Turbo with PSE and was very surprised by how good it sounded. It was much louder than what I recall from the pre-facelift Panamera Turbo.
Shouldn't the facelifted Cayenne TT with PSE wound the same as the facelifted Panamera?
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FlatSix911:RC:The V6 Turbo Macan with PSE is louder than the Cayenne Turbo but I'm not a fan of the sound. Sounds a bit like a mixture between a BMW 325i (old model) and a 911.
I recently drove a facelifted Panamera Turbo with PSE and was very surprised by how good it sounded. It was much louder than what I recall from the pre-facelift Panamera Turbo.
Shouldn't the facelifted Cayenne TT with PSE wound the same as the facelifted Panamera?
Theoretically yes, I cannot remember the sound of the current Cayenne TT though... 
I just remember my Panamera Turbo S and the sound (with PSE) was...how to put it...as if PSE was missing. No, PSE was functional, the mechanic was surprised himself how small of a (sound/loudness) difference there was with and without PSE.
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RC:I just remember my Panamera Turbo S and the sound (with PSE) was...how to put it...as if PSE was missing.
Indeed; I remember well how underwhelming the Panamera Turbo's PSE was pre-facelift.
However, somehow, the facelifted PTT's PSE is a completely different story.
Re: 718 Boxster
Test from the 718 boxster sur TF1 , french television, they find it a georgeous little car, with a real porsche-sound: the sound of the 356 and... beetle, and they say: nobody is questioning wether that's a real porsche, so: we miss the flat6 but the flat 4 has P-DNA and sounds very sympathic. They foresee a grate future to the newborn...
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Re: 718 Boxster
Last week I asked my sales guy how clients react to the turbo in the new 911 . He said they like it very much . And I asked what he thinks ( he is not just a sales guy , he is the main drivers for the garage racing team ) and , he also said he likes it very much , that you get used to it very quickly . Also a sign : the 2 GTS 991.1 on the floor garage that they are discounting ( 20 % ) to get rid of , as clients want the new 991.2
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Gnil:Last week I asked my sales guy how clients react to the turbo in the new 911 . He said they like it very much . And I asked what he thinks ( he is not just a sales guy , he is the main drivers for the garage racing team ) and , he also said he likes it very much , that you get used to it very quickly . Also a sign : the 2 GTS 991.1 on the floor garage that they are discounting ( 20 % ) to get rid of , as clients want the new 991.2
In Germany, things seem to be slightly different. The 991.2 Carrera sells OK but the real bestseller seems to be the new 991.2 Turbo/S (sold out for the entire year). Also, used GTS go for pretty high prices (usually over 130k) but other used 991.1 Carrera models are going down in prices because apparently dealer don't sell as many as they thought they would.
May depend on region/country...
My dealer has a well optioned 991.2 Carrera S Cabriolet in his showroom...for over 176k EUR. Ouch. No wonder people are choosing a 991.2 Turbo/Turbo S instead.
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Re: 718 Boxster
makes sense that turbo/turbo S sell well in Germany, as you have the roads to enjoy them.
here, we cannot use most of its power. Besides, I don't think most drivers here have the skill to use big power either.
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Re: 718 Boxster
Targa Tim:makes sense that turbo/turbo S sell well in Germany, as you have the roads to enjoy them.
here, we cannot use most of its power. Besides, I don't think most drivers here have the skill to use big power either.
But but but we sell the most Turbo/Turbo S among Canada...................
East coast dealers ran out of low end cars to sell and West Coast dealers ran out of high end cars.
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Re: 718 Boxster
Whoopsy:Targa Tim:makes sense that turbo/turbo S sell well in Germany, as you have the roads to enjoy them.
here, we cannot use most of its power. Besides, I don't think most drivers here have the skill to use big power either.
But but but we sell the most Turbo/Turbo S among Canada...................
East coast dealers ran out of low end cars to sell and West Coast dealers ran out of high end cars.
Way too many rich kids from China here...
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May 31, 2016 9:51:25 AM
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Re: 718 Boxster
Back on topic 
I never read such a negative article on any Porsche sportscar coming from EVO 
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According to the article the 2.0 L + PDK must be an aweful Combo 
If they are right with their assessment of the 2.0 then the non-S may not be the smart buy at all (as some assumed just judging from the numbers)
The 2.5 L may be the better choice (though still some criticism in this article):
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsche-718-boxster-s-vs-lotus-elise-sports-cars-compared
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Re: 718 Boxster
Not everything Porsche touches and develops actually feels like a Porsche. 
I hate to say it (again) but take the Macan Turbo: Drove over 1100 km in this car last week. It reminded it again why I don't like the Macan. It just doesn't feel and sound like a Porsche. It is an amazing product, very fast and with a nice interior but driving it is no fun at all I'm afraid. It feels "soft", it lacks that typical firm Porsche feel (no matter if 911 or Cayenne...), the brake is lacking a certain firm feel as well (in my opinion) and while the steering is direct, it just isn't Porsche, I can't help it. Maybe it is in my head but the Macan is the first Porsche I don't like and keep in mind that we have the top version and basically fully loaded, incl. the sport exhaust.
I haven't driven the new Boxster yet, my schedule just didn't permit it but I saw the car live and I am less intrigued than I thought I would be. For such a radical change, I expected at least some changes in the interior as well but... 
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May 31, 2016 11:10:52 AM
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Re: 718 Boxster
Porsche-Jeck:Back on topic
I never read such a negative article on any Porsche sportscar coming from EVO
According to the article the 2.0 L + PDK must be an aweful Combo
+1 Thanks for sharing Porsche-Jeck . Me too, never ever read such a critical article about a Porsche product. I am now even more curious to test drive a 718 and a 718 S.
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