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    Aug 13, 2008 1:59:14 PM

    KresoF1
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    ECB option for PDK

    A Must!

    More pics here:
    http://www.porsche.com/germany/accessori...rrera-4s-black/

    New options:

    X51 kit(410ps but, I need confirmation) Euro 10400 in EU without VAT
    XAA Aerokit III Euro 4175 without VAT

    Aug 13, 2008 2:39:40 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

    Very beautiful IMO.
    I didn't know, that 997 Turbo can be ordered with the new PCM already...

    Aug 13, 2008 4:00:40 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

    Quote:
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    New options:
    X51 kit(410ps but, I need confirmation) Euro 10400 in EU without VAT




    When will this be available?

    Aug 13, 2008 4:27:23 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

    January 2009 AFAIK. BUT, isn't X51 simply said overpriced?

    Aug 13, 2008 4:30:35 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    January 2009 AFAIK. BUT, isn't X51 simply said overpriced?



    Very much overpriced, if you ask me.

    Aug 13, 2008 4:31:52 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

    $665 per Horsepower. Real horses don't cost much more than that

    Aug 13, 2008 4:39:48 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    January 2009 AFAIK. BUT, isn't X51 simply said overpriced?



    Definitely!! And over-engineered too, although that doesn't justify the entire extra cost.

    Aug 13, 2008 5:19:43 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    $665 per Horsepower. Real horses don't cost much more than that



    Ah, but surely you know that thoroughbred horses fetch much higher prices than (tuners') old nags?

    Aug 13, 2008 5:26:48 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    Quote:
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    $665 per Horsepower. Real horses don't cost much more than that



    Ah, but surely you know that thoroughbred horses fetch much higher prices than (tuners') old nags?


    Good one

    Aug 13, 2008 5:27:17 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

    ok trash me but,...imo the std. black pcm looks cheaper/inferior to the much maligned volcano grey of gen 1

    Aug 13, 2008 6:49:35 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    ok trash me but,...imo the std. black pcm looks cheaper/inferior to the much maligned volcano grey of gen 1



    I disagree. The black satin finish looks better. Just don't scratch it, unless it's the self-healing surface available now.

    Aug 13, 2008 7:42:05 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    ok trash me but,...imo the std. black pcm looks cheaper/inferior to the much maligned volcano grey of gen 1



    The volcano grey was alright, especially with interior colours like grey or brown. There are also other accents in volcano grey, like at the steering wheel (unfortunately these other volcano grey parts are still there, while the centre console is now black ).

    The new black PCM looks very good in an all black interior, but doesn't go that well with sand beige for example.

    Aug 13, 2008 8:35:56 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    Quote:
    fritz said:
    Quote:
    Grant said:
    $665 per Horsepower. Real horses don't cost much more than that



    Ah, but surely you know that thoroughbred horses fetch much higher prices than (tuners') old nags?


    Good one



    Under what circumstances would someone order the X51?

    In what type of use would the high cost be justified?

    I've not been able to find the right answer myself.

    Aug 13, 2008 9:47:12 PM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    reginos said:Under what circumstances would someone order the X51?

    In what type of use would the high cost be justified?

    I've not been able to find the right answer myself.


    Some people just like to have something a little more special, even if the cost is significantly more.

    For me, I would sooner buy the GT3 for that money. But some folks like the comfort of the Carrera with the power of a GT3 and without the lag and/or AWD of the Turbo...

    Aug 14, 2008 1:35:14 AM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

    ECB option looks nice. Has anyone seen a photo of the XPU Aluminum Look PDK steering wheel option? Specifically, I am curious as to whether the steering wheel rim is all leather with aluminum look in the center only or mostly aluminum look with leather only on the side grips.

    Here is the old version XPV option...

    Aug 14, 2008 3:21:55 AM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    ECB option looks nice. Has anyone seen a photo of the XPU Aluminum Look PDK steering wheel option? Specifically, I am curious as to whether the steering wheel rim is all leather with aluminum look in the center only or mostly aluminum look with leather only on the side grips.

    Here is the old version XPV option...



    Why would anyone forgo the feeling of a leather steering wheel for a lousy Al ring? BTW... I've seen those Al steering wheels badly scratched in service department's bays.

    Aug 14, 2008 6:59:21 AM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    Why would anyone forgo the feeling of a leather steering wheel for a lousy Al ring? BTW... I've seen those Al steering wheels badly scratched in service department's bays.



    But if the alu of the steering wheel is just too cold for your fingers, you can get a heated steering wheel now.

    Aug 14, 2008 7:31:30 AM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    Why would anyone forgo the feeling of a leather steering wheel for a lousy Al ring? BTW... I've seen those Al steering wheels badly scratched in service department's bays.



    But if the alu of the steering wheel is just too cold for your fingers, you can get a heated steering wheel now.



    Only one thing is missing then... Heated PDK puddles! That means in P. language:"Do not touch puddles! Leave it in D mode!"

    Sorry to say this-but, after my PDK test drive it is a TIP replacement. PDK is working so much better in D(Sport) mode then in manual mode IMO.
    Is it good or bad? I still can not decide...

    Aug 14, 2008 7:38:00 AM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    ADias said:
    Why would anyone forgo the feeling of a leather steering wheel for a lousy Al ring? BTW... I've seen those Al steering wheels badly scratched in service department's bays.



    But if the alu of the steering wheel is just too cold for your fingers, you can get a heated steering wheel now.



    Only one thing is missing then... Heated PDK puddles! That means in P. language:"Do not touch puddles! Leave it in D mode!"

    Sorry to say this-but, after my PDK test drive it is a TIP replacement. PDK is working so much better in D(Sport) mode then in manual mode IMO.
    Is it good or bad? I still can not decide...



    Other systems I tried like on the BMW and the VW/Audi (no experience of supercars)I also found that you best keep them in D and use the manual override when it suits.

    So perhaps only the Ferari system is suited to be used continuously in manual mode.

    Aug 14, 2008 7:40:16 AM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    January 2009 AFAIK. BUT, isn't X51 simply said overpriced?



    Is your source very reliable?

    Because if it so, I might ask for my order for 11/08 production to be put back.

    Aug 14, 2008 7:47:20 AM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    January 2009 AFAIK. BUT, isn't X51 simply said overpriced?



    Is your source very reliable?

    Because if it so, I might ask for my order for 11/08 production to be put back.



    My source is from Stuttgart(he works for P.)... Your dealer could email the factory as well...

    January 2009 means week 3. In clear words earliest deliveries late February 2009...

    My advice-do not order it. Spec you dream 997.2CS without X51. It is not worth it(IMHO)...

    Aug 14, 2008 7:50:24 AM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Quote:
    reginos said:
    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    January 2009 AFAIK. BUT, isn't X51 simply said overpriced?



    Is your source very reliable?

    Because if it so, I might ask for my order for 11/08 production to be put back.



    My source is from Stuttgart(he works for P.)... Your dealer could email the factory as well...

    January 2009 means week 3. In clear words earliest deliveries late February 2009...

    My advice-do not order it. Spec you dream 997.2CS without X51. It is not worth it(IMHO)...



    Thanks for your reply.

    You mean not worth it for the money, which sure is too much?

    Or it doesn't add much to the driving experience anyway?

    Aug 14, 2008 7:53:08 AM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    reginos said:
    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Quote:
    reginos said:
    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    January 2009 AFAIK. BUT, isn't X51 simply said overpriced?



    Is your source very reliable?

    Because if it so, I might ask for my order for 11/08 production to be put back.



    My source is from Stuttgart(he works for P.)... Your dealer could email the factory as well...

    January 2009 means week 3. In clear words earliest deliveries late February 2009...

    My advice-do not order it. Spec you dream 997.2CS without X51. It is not worth it(IMHO)...



    Thanks for your reply.

    You mean not worth it for the money, which sure is too much?

    Or it doesn't add much to the driving experience anyway?



    First, it is OVERPRICED.

    Second, if my info is correct then X51 will offer more power in upper rev range. In normal daily driving it want be any faster then standard 997.2CS...

    BTW, I know you will go for PDK... Standard PASM or Sport PASM for you?

    Aug 14, 2008 8:06:44 AM

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    Quote:
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    BTW, I know you will go for PDK... Standard PASM or Sport PASM for you?



    Hey Kreso, the correct spelling is PASM or Spasm.

    Aug 14, 2008 8:07:56 AM

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    So perhaps only the Ferari system is suited to be used ontinuously in manual mode.



    For F1/Superfast from the F430 onwards that surely is true. I wonder if it still can be said from the new DCT in the California?

    Aug 14, 2008 8:26:05 AM

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    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Quote:
    reginos said:
    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Quote:
    reginos said:
    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    January 2009 AFAIK. BUT, isn't X51 simply said overpriced?



    Is your source very reliable?

    Because if it so, I might ask for my order for 11/08 production to be put back.



    My source is from Stuttgart(he works for P.)... Your dealer could email the factory as well...

    January 2009 means week 3. In clear words earliest deliveries late February 2009...

    My advice-do not order it. Spec you dream 997.2CS without X51. It is not worth it(IMHO)...



    Thanks for your reply.

    You mean not worth it for the money, which sure is too much?

    Or it doesn't add much to the driving experience anyway?



    First, it is OVERPRICED.

    Second, if my info is correct then X51 will offer more power in upper rev range. In normal daily driving it want be any faster then standard 997.2CS...

    BTW, I know you will go for PDK... Standard PASM or Sport PASM for you?



    PDK+SC
    Standard PASM.
    LSD
    No Ceramics, too expensive!

    Aug 14, 2008 8:28:47 AM

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    Re: ECB option for PDK

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    Quote:
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    So perhaps only the Ferari system is suited to be used ontinuously in manual mode.



    For F1/Superfast from the F430 onwards that surely is true. I wonder if it still can be said from the new DCT in the California?



    I expect the DCT to be in the PDK/DKG/DSG mould.

    Aug 14, 2008 9:06:36 AM

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    Quote:
    reginos said:
    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    reginos said:
    So perhaps only the Ferari system is suited to be used ontinuously in manual mode.



    For F1/Superfast from the F430 onwards that surely is true. I wonder if it still can be said from the new DCT in the California?



    I expect the DCT to be in the PDK/DKG/DSG mould.



    That would be very disappointing.

    Aug 14, 2008 9:46:59 AM

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    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    reginos said:
    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    reginos said:
    So perhaps only the Ferari system is suited to be used ontinuously in manual mode.



    For F1/Superfast from the F430 onwards that surely is true. I wonder if it still can be said from the new DCT in the California?



    I expect the DCT to be in the PDK/DKG/DSG mould.



    That would be very disappointing.



    From what I can understand from Ferrari's marketing strategy, the target group for the California is different from the mid-engined spyders.

    They wouldn't want to create two cars of roughly similar price that appeal to the same people.

    Aug 14, 2008 10:23:25 AM

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    Quote:
    reginos said:
    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    reginos said:
    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    reginos said:
    So perhaps only the Ferari system is suited to be used ontinuously in manual mode.



    For F1/Superfast from the F430 onwards that surely is true. I wonder if it still can be said from the new DCT in the California?



    I expect the DCT to be in the PDK/DKG/DSG mould.



    That would be very disappointing.



    From what I can understand from Ferrari's marketing strategy, the target group for the California is different from the mid-engined spyders.

    They wouldn't want to create two cars of roughly similar price that appeal to the same people.



    True, but DCT will replace F1 in each model, including the mid-engined V8.
     
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