Jun 11, 2008 4:36:54 PM
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Jun 11, 2008 6:45:58 PM
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Marwan Arakji said:
my dealer says Jan. 09... power should be no less than an extra 25 bhp... 996 X51 was +25 bhp, 997.1 X51 was +27 bhp... with X51 and PDK, the new Carrera S would be in GT3 territory...
Jun 11, 2008 7:04:41 PM
Jun 11, 2008 7:58:27 PM
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Marwan Arakji said:
seems the new GT3 and RS will be based on the 3.8 liters engine, which would make sense... I read the output could be at 450 bhp!!! I only wish they would have paddle shifters going with it, with a bang-bang-bang shift sensation... I fear this seemless PDK might be heartless and lacking soul... just like the 997 TT exhaust and engine note...
Jun 11, 2008 8:15:43 PM
Jun 12, 2008 3:08:49 AM
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sticky said:
Everything completely depends on what X51 adds. Previous X51 was a waste of money, maybe Porsche will take the criticism to heart respond strongly like they did with the facelift.
Jun 12, 2008 3:17:22 AM
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sticky said:
Everything completely depends on what X51 adds. Previous X51 was a waste of money, maybe Porsche will take the criticism to heart respond strongly like they did with the facelift.
The argument of wether or not the previous X51 is worth it depends on your point of view. I have it on my 2006 997 S and my car is optioned in such a way that I don't feel the need to sell my car to get the FL. I got a negligible 4 horsepower deficit and I don't know the new car's torque figure but I got 306 ft-lbs in mine because of the X51. OK, so it cost me some money but it is less than what I would have to come with were I to sell or trade my car in for the new one. As far as iPod integration, I got the Dension in for $500 and have no need for Bluetooth. To this moment, I don't know what other tweeks the FL car is going to have as far as suspension, brakes etc. and it would have to come down to that to make the car noticeably faster on a track. It all depends on one's point of view, like I said. Had I gotten a 997 S with the standard 355 hp, I would feel the need to upgrade.
Jun 12, 2008 3:26:48 AM
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sticky said:
Everything completely depends on what X51 adds. Previous X51 was a waste of money, maybe Porsche will take the criticism to heart respond strongly like they did with the facelift.
The argument of wether or not the previous X51 is worth it depends on your point of view. I have it on my 2006 997 S and my car is optioned in such a way that I don't feel the need to sell my car to get the FL. I got a negligible 4 horsepower deficit and I don't know the new car's torque figure but I got 306 ft-lbs in mine because of the X51. OK, so it cost me some money but it is less than what I would have to come with were I to sell or trade my car in for the new one. As far as iPod integration, I got the Dension in for $500 and have no need for Bluetooth. To this moment, I don't know what other tweeks the FL car is going to have as far as suspension, brakes etc. and it would have to come down to that to make the car noticeably faster on a track. It all depends on one's point of view, like I said. Had I gotten a 997 S with the standard 355 hp, I would feel the need to upgrade.
I suppose it does depend on your point of view. Mine being that I would rather have DSG and direct injection than X51. The X51 simply can't hold a candle to everything offered in the facelift and won't perform as well.
I suppose if I had x51 I would not upgrade because I would never see the money spent for X51 again.
Now X51 on the facelift... that is another story.
Jun 12, 2008 3:42:48 AM
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sticky said:
Everything completely depends on what X51 adds. Previous X51 was a waste of money, maybe Porsche will take the criticism to heart respond strongly like they did with the facelift.
The argument of wether or not the previous X51 is worth it depends on your point of view. I have it on my 2006 997 S and my car is optioned in such a way that I don't feel the need to sell my car to get the FL. I got a negligible 4 horsepower deficit and I don't know the new car's torque figure but I got 306 ft-lbs in mine because of the X51. OK, so it cost me some money but it is less than what I would have to come with were I to sell or trade my car in for the new one. As far as iPod integration, I got the Dension in for $500 and have no need for Bluetooth. To this moment, I don't know what other tweeks the FL car is going to have as far as suspension, brakes etc. and it would have to come down to that to make the car noticeably faster on a track. It all depends on one's point of view, like I said. Had I gotten a 997 S with the standard 355 hp, I would feel the need to upgrade.
I suppose it does depend on your point of view. Mine being that I would rather have DSG and direct injection than X51. The X51 simply can't hold a candle to everything offered in the facelift and won't perform as well.
I suppose if I had x51 I would not upgrade because I would never see the money spent for X51 again.
Now X51 on the facelift... that is another story.
My point is proven then, that having an X51 on a pre-FL car makes it difficult to swallow changing to a FL car, as opposed to having the standard car, where the differences would be much greater. As far as the FL performing better, to what areas of performance are you referring to? I must admit I took just a glance at Porsche's website and haven't really looked deeper into the other advantages of the FL car as compared to mine. I for one don't care about any other transmission than a manual. So, assuming a new FL car with manual transmission and my 2006 X51 997 S, what other aspects of the FL car will outperform mine? This is an honest, non "smart-ass" question, since I haven't really looked more into the other aspects of the new car. Any info???
Jun 12, 2008 4:35:01 AM
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Jun 12, 2008 12:38:20 PM
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cibergypsy said:
So, is the limited slip and -20mm sport suspension available in the USA this time around?
Yes, but with PASM.
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MMD said:
IMO, since HP/Tq of FL car has gotten more respectable, and previous X-51 wasn't really a "must have" because it cost three times what it was worth; my guess is newest X-51 is even less attractive as an option.
You obviously never owned the the X51 package. It made the 997 an even better car, and was well worth the money. Awesome car!
I'll reserve judgement on the next package until I see what it is.
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cnc said:
You obviously never owned the the X51 package. It made the 997 an even better car, and was well worth the money. Awesome car!
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MMD said:
IMO, since HP/Tq of FL car has gotten more respectable, and previous X-51 wasn't really a "must have" because it cost three times what it was worth; my guess is newest X-51 is even less attractive as an option.
You obviously never owned the the X51 package. It made the 997 an even better car, and was well worth the money. Awesome car!
I'll reserve judgement on the next package until I see what it is.