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nberry said:
It may be faster than the Enzo around the Ferrari track but highly unlikely it would beat it on any other venue.

So, the scud will be "near" enzo territory, yes?

The scud is less than half the price of the original enzo price. You should be complaining then, right?

Your comments about the GT2 being at CGT territory should relate quite nicely here too, don't you think?

The difference is the Enzo sells for about $500,000 over its MSRP. The CGT sells for about $100,000 LESS than its MSRP. Porsche by introducing a car with about the same performance parameters for $250,000 less while the CGT resale values are continuing to decline is treating their best customers rather shabbily.

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I think people need to keep the Scud in perspective. It may be faster than the Enzo around the Ferrari track but highly unlikely it would beat it on any other venue. Additionally, I suspect the Scud will not break 7.40 at the Ring.

Finally, in my opinion the car is over priced and totally useless for street driving. I frequently drove the 360 Stradale and after awhile behind the wheel, I would have a headache because of its rawness.

Just not my type of car.

You're getting too old Nick. The difference in the CS vs the 430 is not that big at all especially since the 430's exhaust is much louder than the Modena. I never had a problem driving my CS all day and still ready for more. And now find my 430 very similair to my CS.

The differences CS vs 430 in terms of comfort/everyday use are very small, matter of fact you couldn't find 2 cars that are more alike.

It doesn't matter to Nick. The thing that matters to Nick is the Scuderia is better than his precious F430. Therefore he will criticize it, just like he criticizes every other car that's better than his, whether real or perceived, by sports car fans. Just read this forum, the Sports Car forum, the Porsche forums. He does nothing but criticize cars that are better than his "child" (F430), and leaves lessor sports cars alone. BTW, I agree with you, Nick is getting too old (senile, early dementia?).

David

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I'm surprised to read many mixed comments when this car seems to be a Home Run. What more can anyone ask for? Twenty or so more hp, 100 less kg, and basically an F1 transmission. Almost forgot, it can still be driven everyday on public roads - fairly comfortably.

The only thing I don't like about the Scuderia are the stripes. Nothing is perfect!!

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I'm surprised to read many mixed comments when this car seems to be a Home Run. What more can anyone ask for? Twenty or so more hp, 100 less kg, and basically an F1 transmission. Almost forgot, it can still be driven everyday on public roads - fairly comfortably.

If it does lap Fiorano as fast as an Enzo (not faster, as others have said), isn't that a great achievement?

While the 997Gt3 RS is a great car, IMO Porsche fell well short - same power and sadly, the same weight.

The only thing I don't like about the Scuderia are the stripes. Nothing is perfect!!

As for how it compares to the GT2? If I were in the market for a Gallardo SL/Scud/GT2, the last thing on my mind would be how fast they lap the Ring (or what SA says for that matter! I wouldn't be using it primarily as a track vehicle). IMO, the most important thing at this level is how much you enjoy driving it - period.

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mp said:
I'm surprised to read many mixed comments when this car seems to be a Home Run. What more can anyone ask for? Twenty or so more hp, 100 less kg, and basically an F1 transmission. Almost forgot, it can still be driven everyday on public roads - fairly comfortably.

If it does lap Fiorano as fast as an Enzo (not faster, as others have said), isn't that a great achievement?

While the 997Gt3 RS is a great car, IMO Porsche fell well short - same power and sadly, the same weight.

The only thing I don't like about the Scuderia are the stripes. Nothing is perfect!!

As for how it compares to the GT2? If I were in the market for a Gallardo SL/Scud/GT2, the last thing on my mind would be how fast they lap the Ring (or what SA says for that matter! I wouldn't be using it primarily as a track vehicle). IMO, the most important thing at this level is how much you enjoy driving it - period.

If Scud proves similar (vs 430) as 360CS vs 360, would actually argue Scud will be more daily-useable in CA than even 997TT (better ground clearance; bigger fuel tank; Bluetooth; iPod; bigger trunk)....and more actively safe than PSM-less GT3 (though Scud lacks GT3's track-relevant sunroof )....

Scud's biggest limit for daily use on public roads will likely be dubious passive safety...a trait it shares w/599....

Chk out 4car.com's review of GT2....interesting comments re: turbo lag/nonlinearity, muffled exhaust note....and I'm not sure that GT2's PASM/PSM set-up is very advcd (esp w/a Luddite gearbox) for optimal active safety/stability/precision in bumpy mtn twisties....though US-spec GT2s may include a track-oriented sunroof....

BTW, can spec Scud w/o stripe...or w/o gold wheels....advantage of F vs P is F allows much freedom re: bespoke-spec options....

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Agreed- CL63 is THE car for the twisties-especially those curvy drive throughs at Burger Kings.

Best buy on latest phenom car menue likely to be new Benz
CL-CJ: Carls Jr edition. Has latest drink and frys holder networked to smart autobox/distance control/GPS to not miss apre sweet 16 party Saks shopping fests. Base CL AMG or CJ upgrade ideal first car for teen girls or spydery ageing rockers wives. Seen AMG CL endorsed by Sharon Osbourn on TV - is now THE must have in CA.

Also no doubt latest Scud more practical than 997TT for daily use. AWD not needed in snow/rain. Scuds' GPS/Rain Sensor activates LEDs under hood stripes that alert driver to turn around in case of snow, creditors or Paparazzi. No doubt Scud also soon top choice for personal admins of tier 1 celebrities to make stealth runs to Payless Shoe Store/take boss to rehab/or stop at ATM for bail money.

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ROFL Back on top form...

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Agreed- CL63 is THE car for the twisties-especially those curvy drive throughs at Burger Kings.

Best buy on latest phenom car menue likely to be new Benz
CL-CJ: Carls Jr edition. Has latest drink and frys holder networked to smart autobox/distance control/GPS to not miss apre sweet 16 party Saks shopping fests. Base CL AMG or CJ upgrade ideal first car for teen girls or spydery ageing rockers wives. Seen AMG CL endorsed by Sharon Osbourn on TV - is now THE must have in CA.

Also no doubt latest Scud more practical than 997TT for daily use. AWD not needed in snow/rain. Scuds' GPS/Rain Sensor activates LEDs under hood stripes that alert driver to turn around in case of snow, creditors or Paparazzi. No doubt Scud also soon top choice for personal admins of tier 1 celebrities to make stealth runs to Payless Shoe Store/take boss to rehab/or stop at ATM for bail money.

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I'm surprised to read many mixed comments when this car seems to be a Home Run. What more can anyone ask for? Twenty or so more hp, 100 less kg, and basically an F1 transmission. Almost forgot, it can still be driven everyday on public roads - fairly comfortably.

If it does lap Fiorano as fast as an Enzo (not faster, as others have said), isn't that a great achievement?

While the 997Gt3 RS is a great car, IMO Porsche fell well short - same power and sadly, the same weight.

The only thing I don't like about the Scuderia are the stripes. Nothing is perfect!!

As for how it compares to the GT2? If I were in the market for a Gallardo SL/Scud/GT2, the last thing on my mind would be how fast they lap the Ring (or what SA says for that matter! I wouldn't be using it primarily as a track vehicle). IMO, the most important thing at this level is how much you enjoy driving it - period.

If Scud proves similar (vs 430) as 360CS vs 360, would actually argue Scud will be more daily-useable in CA than even 997TT (better ground clearance; bigger fuel tank; Bluetooth; iPod; bigger trunk)....and more actively safe than PSM-less GT3 (though Scud lacks GT3's track-relevant sunroof )....

Scud's biggest limit for daily use on public roads will likely be dubious passive safety...a trait it shares w/599....

Chk out 4car.com's review of GT2....interesting comments re: turbo lag/nonlinearity, muffled exhaust note....and I'm not sure that GT2's PASM/PSM set-up is very advcd (esp w/a Luddite gearbox) for optimal active safety/stability/precision in bumpy mtn twisties....though US-spec GT2s may include a track-oriented sunroof....

BTW, can spec Scud w/o stripe...or w/o gold wheels....advantage of F vs P is F allows much freedom re: bespoke-spec options....

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3. Wouldn't buy a Scud, with the new F450 due out - which should be something very special.

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I think people need to keep the Scud in perspective. It may be faster than the Enzo around the Ferrari track but highly unlikely it would beat it on any other venue. Additionally, I suspect the Scud will not break 7.40 at the Ring.

Finally, in my opinion the car is over priced and totally useless for street driving. I frequently drove the 360 Stradale and after awhile behind the wheel, I would have a headache because of its rawness.

Just not my type of car.

You're getting too old Nick. The difference in the CS vs the 430 is not that big at all especially since the 430's exhaust is much louder than the Modena. I never had a problem driving my CS all day and still ready for more. And now find my 430 very similair to my CS.

The differences CS vs 430 in terms of comfort/everyday use are very small, matter of fact you couldn't find 2 cars that are more alike.

It doesn't matter to Nick. The thing that matters to Nick is the Scuderia is better than his precious F430. Therefore he will criticize it, just like he criticizes every other car that's better than his, whether real or perceived, by sports car fans. Just read this forum, the Sports Car forum, the Porsche forums. He does nothing but criticize cars that are better than his "child" (F430), and leaves lessor sports cars alone. BTW, I agree with you, Nick is getting too old (senile, early dementia?).

David

Do me a favor - Don't agree w/ me okay? My comment was made in a funning with Nick way (I hope it sounded that way, anyway), the way friends talk with one another.. Also think your comments in your next message are un-called for , nobody acts like that to others here.

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Stradale, I always accept your comments as constructive and friendly even when we disagree.

David get a grip. Disagree with me all you want but keep the discourse above personal attacks.

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I think people need to keep the Scud in perspective. It may be faster than the Enzo around the Ferrari track but highly unlikely it would beat it on any other venue. Additionally, I suspect the Scud will not break 7.40 at the Ring.

Finally, in my opinion the car is over priced and totally useless for street driving. I frequently drove the 360 Stradale and after awhile behind the wheel, I would have a headache because of its rawness.

Just not my type of car.

You're getting too old Nick. The difference in the CS vs the 430 is not that big at all especially since the 430's exhaust is much louder than the Modena. I never had a problem driving my CS all day and still ready for more. And now find my 430 very similair to my CS.

The differences CS vs 430 in terms of comfort/everyday use are very small, matter of fact you couldn't find 2 cars that are more alike.

It doesn't matter to Nick. The thing that matters to Nick is the Scuderia is better than his precious F430. Therefore he will criticize it, just like he criticizes every other car that's better than his, whether real or perceived, by sports car fans. Just read this forum, the Sports Car forum, the Porsche forums. He does nothing but criticize cars that are better than his "child" (F430), and leaves lessor sports cars alone. BTW, I agree with you, Nick is getting too old (senile, early dementia?).

David

Do me a favor - Don't agree w/ me okay? My comment was made in a funning with Nick way (I hope it sounded that way, anyway), the way friends talk with one another.. Also think your comments in your next message are un-called for , nobody acts like that to others here.

Who are you to tell me I can't agree with you? Do me a favor, don't respond to my posts.

David

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Even with the 450 out and a 430 in the garage, Scud is a great choice. Ferrari will simply not have enought time to sell a lot of Scud cars (compared with the total number of 430 cars). And with 450 out, someone who wants to buy a used 430 (because he can't get his hands on a 450) will be more tempted to get the fastest and most exclusive version aka Scud.

That's why I decided to switch my soon to be delivered 430 for a Scuderia, one year from now.

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Rossi, you bad boy! Just kidding!

Rossi maybe I didn't made myself clear: I am going to take delivery of my ordered F430 (to become official customer #1 at my recently opened F dealer) and keep it until the first Scud comes here (one was allocated for the next year's end).
Being #1 customer will put me in a position to switch cars when the Scud comes(I am already #1 on the Scud waiting list).

But I grant you that this is may be a very special situation generated by the opening of the first official F dealer in my country. I jumped to get one thinking more at the future than the present. Still, personally, I believe that even if I had a 430 for a year or so I would still want the Scud. I intend to keep my Ferraris as weekend cars (because of roads quality around here) so I don't care how extreme are. I am not going to use them as much as I wanted so if the ride is too harsh or they are too loud, I really don't care.

Anyway Rossi, when do you switch to Scud? R Come on ...

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I think people need to keep the Scud in perspective. It may be faster than the Enzo around the Ferrari track but highly unlikely it would beat it on any other venue. Additionally, I suspect the Scud will not break 7.40 at the Ring.

Finally, in my opinion the car is over priced and totally useless for street driving. I frequently drove the 360 Stradale and after awhile behind the wheel, I would have a headache because of its rawness.

Just not my type of car.

You're getting too old Nick. The difference in the CS vs the 430 is not that big at all especially since the 430's exhaust is much louder than the Modena. I never had a problem driving my CS all day and still ready for more. And now find my 430 very similair to my CS.

The differences CS vs 430 in terms of comfort/everyday use are very small, matter of fact you couldn't find 2 cars that are more alike.

It doesn't matter to Nick. The thing that matters to Nick is the Scuderia is better than his precious F430. Therefore he will criticize it, just like he criticizes every other car that's better than his, whether real or perceived, by sports car fans. Just read this forum, the Sports Car forum, the Porsche forums. He does nothing but criticize cars that are better than his "child" (F430), and leaves lessor sports cars alone. BTW, I agree with you, Nick is getting too old (senile, early dementia?).

David

Do me a favor - Don't agree w/ me okay? My comment was made in a funning with Nick way (I hope it sounded that way, anyway), the way friends talk with one another.. Also think your comments in your next message are un-called for , nobody acts like that to others here.

Who are you to tell me I can't agree with you? Do me a favor, don't respond to my posts.

David

Do us all a favour and keep away from the F-board.

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Rossi, first of all, everything I talked about took as granted the idea that I am not paying any premium price. No matter what I order or buy I should be now in a position to do it at the normal price. Nothing extra. That's something I am not willing to do, same as you.

Now on F450: I had the same dilemma but as I said before I believe people will be more interested in buying a used Scud than a used 430 when 450 will appear. The Scud will be closer to 450 in performance than the standard 430. And in the end less of them will be made therefore more exclusive.
And Rossi, if they announce the car at Geneva 2009 (as I suspect too) 450 delivery will start at the end of 2009 (as usual with Ferrari they like to let build a certain hype around the car first). And there is another big if: if you are going to get your hands on one of the first made, you will get it at the end of 2009 (which I am not sure it's a good idea but I would end up doing it too ).

Plenty of time to sell the 430 Scud I believe ... well, just my two cents