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MMD said:
Get seated in a Toyota: start it and drive.
Get seated in a Porsche: get excited about starting it and driving.
Happens that way everytime.
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thuggy said:
I keep reading reviews about the TT being lacking and almost too usable its boring apparently.
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thuggy said:
I keep reading things about some cars having soul, others not having it, some cars have passion, others lacking? So is a difficult to drive, unreliable, loud bordering on obnoxious, uncomfortable car full of passion and soul?
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thuggy said:
I keep reading things about some cars having soul, others not having it, some cars have passion, others lacking? So is a difficult to drive, unreliable, loud bordering on obnoxious, uncomfortable car full of passion and soul?
Obviously subjective....
997TT w/a more charismatic exhaust note (e.g., more like elder statesmen luxury cars like 599/CL63 ), less turbo lag (more like 600/65 biturbos) and paddleshifter tranny (like 599/CL63) would rival any car on planet for passion....
997TT's steering and brakes are only rivaled by those of 599...and 997TT's superior passive safety/traction allows one to more confidently extract performance (and presumably passionate driving) from car than in any alleged sportscar w/dubious safety....
Let's see if P engineers can copy/improve upon elements of driving features/feel/aural theatrics that make 599/CL63 so endearing to passionate (but jaded) drivers/buyers of various P/F/MB.....
Not a big believer in the 997TT daily supercar BS .....car lacks decent-sized fuel tank/Bluetooth/iPod/trunk for even basic urban commuting/errands.....in CA, 599/CL600 are far better daily commuter/errand cars....and if exiled in ex-CA locales, would rather commute via S550 4Matic and keep my F/P/AMG in CA (while figuring out how to relocate to SF/LA ASAP )....
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thuggy said:
Well exhaust, ipod and bluetooth can all be added through aftermarket... now about relocating back to LA...hmmm... that has never entered my mind
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thuggy said:
I keep reading things about some cars having soul, others not having it, some cars have passion, others lacking? So is a difficult to drive, unreliable, loud bordering on obnoxious, uncomfortable car full of passion and soul?
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thuggy said:
I keep reading things about some cars having soul, others not having it, some cars have passion, others lacking? So is a difficult to drive, unreliable, loud bordering on obnoxious, uncomfortable car full of passion and soul?
I guess if your asking you have not experienced it. I suggest it may be a function of driving Porche's. Make no mistake they are great cars. However, they are focused on efficient performance at which they brillantly succeed.
However, Porsche's are viewed by most as sterile and lacking panache. Passion and soul exist along side but outside performance. It is all about the other factors including styling, sound, communication with the car and road and yes, SPECIALNESS .
An automotive writer for the San Diego Tribune in today's paper wrote this about his drive in the 997TT
"Porsches, ubiquitous as they are in San Diego, all look alike to nongearheads and hence don't draw attention as do the flashy Italian marques. On the freeway and under a light foot, the 911 is tame and predictable, a usable daily driver."
Sorry, how is that any different than a SL63-65? Usable daily cars are not about passion or engender with soul. They are about transportation albeit fast transportation in the case of the Turbo. GREAT CAR BUT NOTHING TO EXCITED ABOUT.
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thuggy said:
I keep reading things about some cars having soul, others not having it, some cars have passion, others lacking? So is a difficult to drive, unreliable, loud bordering on obnoxious, uncomfortable car full of passion and soul?
I guess if your asking you have not experienced it. I suggest it may be a function of driving Porche's. Make no mistake they are great cars. However, they are focused on efficient performance at which they brillantly succeed.
However, Porsche's are viewed by most as sterile and lacking panache. Passion and soul exist along side but outside performance. It is all about the other factors including styling, sound, communication with the car and road and yes, SPECIALNESS .
An automotive writer for the San Diego Tribune in today's paper wrote this about his drive in the 997TT
"Porsches, ubiquitous as they are in San Diego, all look alike to nongearheads and hence don't draw attention as do the flashy Italian marques. On the freeway and under a light foot, the 911 is tame and predictable, a usable daily driver."
Sorry, how is that any different than a SL63-65? Usable daily cars are not about passion or engender soul. They are about transportation albeit fast transportation in the case of the Turbo. GREAT CAR BUT NOTHING TO EXCITED ABOUT. I guess that says it all.
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Thuggy, Raz, Porsche are not built for passion. They do not generate excitement when seen on the street and certainly do not have any sound signature to speak of. The closest Porsche's that come to having passion are the GT2-3 but because they look like all other Porsche's they lose their appeal. I believe the CGT is outside the Porsche mainstream and thus really cannot be considered.
Thuggy, a Phantom on the street, though rare, does not stimulate the senses because it is not stylish nor does it have a presence. It lacks road appeal very much like most Porsche's.
Raz, I have driven the 996TT and I find it difficult to believe anyone would find it more fun than a 360. The 996TT was wickedly fast (as is the 997TT) but cold and uninspiring. It left me flat and could not wait to get back to my 360. If both were in my garage, I would use the Turbo for grocery shopping, mall shopping or whatever.
If I want genuine road excitement and inspired driving experience, the 360 is what I would choose. Both great cars but also, by a substantial margin, dissimilar.
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DavidSF said:edit: Nick, passion has nothing to do with exclusivity, price, or how much people look at your car.
Well said.
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MMD said:
I dunno... . I think you're going ddown teh wrong path here. Think a minute... .
Take a supermodel. I could get reeeeeeally passionate about "owning" a supermodel. She's exclusive, pricey, and lots of people want to look at her... .
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Raz wrote
"Nick, by no means am I trying to come down on you. I find a lot of value in your posts and I do agree with you on some issues, I just feel the need to offer balance to the discussion "
Raz as I do your's. I suspect your more of a car fan since your able to find merit in most cars. I no not.
I have own Porsche's when they were special and unique. The 911 stood on its own. Today, I cannot find any specialness or passion when a 911 looks like a Boxster, Cayman or even a SUV Cayenne. Though it performs well, it has no other redeeming attributes. I can find many cars for less cost that meets that criteria.
David, your right. I cannot afford most cars. And I certainly cannot afford a Porsche given its huge depreciation tendencies.