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Re: F430 sold out
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zzboba said:
Just spoke to a german dealer:
- F430 is sold out. They don't accept orders any more.
Is this your dealer only or all dealers?
Sounds logical, with a 18 to 24 months wait list, as the successor is expected for late 2008 - early 2009.
The dealer in my hometown is still taking orders - only 5-6 months of waiting here.
Re: F430 sold out
Answers on "sold out" prob depend upon one's status at dealer as a high-freq buyer....seems like F always "finds" a few extra slots for serial, new buyers...who often become interested in certain models (430 is old news..."everyone" in US has already moved from Coupe to Spider....and 599 is most desired, latest tech F) later than some rabid car enthusiasts, who are often short on cash and/or F buying history...
Also, prob different mkt dynamics in Munich/Frankfurt than rest of Germany....prob two highest "consumption" regions in Germany, right?
And aren't Germans prominent players in MC (Euro's version of LA)?.....prob much easier for affluent Germans to source F's out of MC....and keep them at their wkend houses in high-consumption playgrounds, away from envious German neighbors/colleagues/custs, except those also "guilty" of conspicuous consumption in MC region....
Also, prob different mkt dynamics in Munich/Frankfurt than rest of Germany....prob two highest "consumption" regions in Germany, right?
And aren't Germans prominent players in MC (Euro's version of LA)?.....prob much easier for affluent Germans to source F's out of MC....and keep them at their wkend houses in high-consumption playgrounds, away from envious German neighbors/colleagues/custs, except those also "guilty" of conspicuous consumption in MC region....
Re: F430 sold out
For a few months US dealers weren't getting any F430 coupes, the Challenge Car took production. Now they are still few & far between. My dealer showed his allocation email to me Monday. He had only 1 coupe (mine) 3 Spiders, 1 599, that's it. Amazing they live on such numbers. Without a healthy pre-owned business there's no way.
Re: F430 sold out
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STRADALE said:
For a few months US dealers weren't getting any F430 coupes, the Challenge Car took production. Now they are still few & far between. My dealer showed his allocation email to me Monday. He had only 1 coupe (mine) 3 Spiders, 1 599, that's it. Amazing they live on such numbers. Without a healthy pre-owned business there's no way.
Is that allocation for the rest of the year? Which dealer is it.
Re: F430 sold out
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lapeter said:Quote:
STRADALE said:
For a few months US dealers weren't getting any F430 coupes, the Challenge Car took production. Now they are still few & far between. My dealer showed his allocation email to me Monday. He had only 1 coupe (mine) 3 Spiders, 1 599, that's it. Amazing they live on such numbers. Without a healthy pre-owned business there's no way.
Is that allocation for the rest of the year? Which dealer is it.
I'm not sure, don't think so. But it is the first allocation of coupes in months for him and he only got 1.
Ferrari of Long Island.
Re: F430 sold out
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Rossi said:Quote:
zzboba said:
Just spoke to a german dealer:
- F430 is sold out. They don't accept orders any more.
Is this your dealer only or all dealers?
Sounds logical, with a 18 to 24 months wait list, as the successor is expected for late 2008 - early 2009.
This information was just from one dealer. He told me that there may be german dealers who still have free allocations -- but he doubts it.
Re: F430 sold out
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STRADALE said:
I'd agree with that.
Has anyone heard anything further regarding the air-bag issue ? I wonder if they'll even be a MY 2007.
Lets put it this way. Be happy you are taking delivery before September 1, 2006. This issue may get sticky.
Quick story. The other day I was entering a Freeway in my 430 Spider and had to accelerate to merge and obviously the exhaust was singing.
As I merged coming up next to me was a AM DB9. He was looking over at me but I thought nothing of it. I then exited and went into a shopping center parking lot and the AM followed. When I parked, he pulled next me and began asking how long I had to wait to get the car. I told him and he explained to me that he has been trying to get a 430 but was having difficulty finding one at a moderate price over MSRP. Also he would love to get a Spider but the situation was even worse.
He asked for my advice as to getting into a 430. I shared what I could. I found it interesting a AM guy wanting a 430. What ever people may think of Ferrari it has universal appeal.
Re: F430 sold out
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nberry said:Quote:
STRADALE said:
I'd agree with that.
Has anyone heard anything further regarding the air-bag issue ? I wonder if they'll even be a MY 2007.
Lets put it this way. Be happy you are taking delivery before September 1, 2006. This issue may get sticky.
Quick story. The other day I was entering a Freeway in my 430 Spider and had to accelerate to merge and obviously the exhaust was singing.
As I merged coming up next to me was a AM DB9. He was looking over at me but I thought nothing of it. I then exited and went into a shopping center parking lot and the AM followed. When I parked, he pulled next me and began asking how long I had to wait to get the car. I told him and he explained to me that he has been trying to get a 430 but was having difficulty finding one at a moderate price over MSRP. Also he would love to get a Spider but the situation was even worse.
He asked for my advice as to getting into a 430. I shared what I could. I found it interesting a AM guy wanting a 430. What ever people may think of Ferrari it has universal appeal.
I may not be taking delivery before September 1st but I guess my car will be built before that. Do I need to be concerned ? My order was entered Monday & my dealer said I should take delivery in September. Which is funny because I ordered my CS in May too (in 2004) and received it in September.
I know in my area if you weren't told you were getting a car sometime back in late 2004 you pretty much out of luck. Luckily when I took delivery of my CS I was promised a 430 even though at the time I was thinking of waiting for the 430CS. Another thing w/ my dealer and I'm told w/ others as well - The only way to get a 430 at msrp was you had to already be an existing customer.
I know a guy that had a deposit down at another dealer in 2003 for a 360 Spider and he still hasn't recieved a car. It's a tough market.
Re: F430 sold out
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nberry said:
Unless Ferrari gets a waiver from DOT, as of September 1st, 2006 no new 430's will be allowed to enter the US.
In the past Ferrari as well as other car manufacturers have received a waiver. The hearing is scheduled in July.
If my 430 follows the same schedule as my CS guess the car will be on the water in late July. (it took a few extra weeks because of the Hurricane's in August 2004) which means it might be really, really tight against that deadline. Essshhh. Hope it wont be a problem.
The hearing is in July ? "Do a good job, do a good job, do a good job" (said like Steve Buscemi "Rockhound" in Armageddon)
Re: F430 sold out
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nberry said:
Unless Ferrari gets a waiver from DOT, as of September 1st, 2006 no new 430's will be allowed to enter the US.
In the past Ferrari as well as other car manufacturers have received a waiver. The hearing is scheduled in July.
Hey, you should be Ferrari's lawyer... maybe they'll give you a 599 GTB as payment
Re: F430 sold out
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STRADALE said:Quote:
nberry said:
Unless Ferrari gets a waiver from DOT, as of September 1st, 2006 no new 430's will be allowed to enter the US.
In the past Ferrari as well as other car manufacturers have received a waiver. The hearing is scheduled in July.
If my 430 follows the same schedule as my CS guess the car will be on the water in late July. (it took a few extra weeks because of the Hurricane's in August 2004) which means it might be really, really tight against that deadline. Essshhh. Hope it wont be a problem.
The hearing is in July ? "Do a good job, do a good job, do a good job" (said like Steve Buscemi "Rockhound" in Armageddon)
You could fly it in for $7000.It arrives with a week of completion date. You don't have to decide method of shipping until it reaches around stage 80.
Re: F430 sold out
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nberry said:Quote:
STRADALE said:Quote:
nberry said:
Unless Ferrari gets a waiver from DOT, as of September 1st, 2006 no new 430's will be allowed to enter the US.
In the past Ferrari as well as other car manufacturers have received a waiver. The hearing is scheduled in July.
If my 430 follows the same schedule as my CS guess the car will be on the water in late July. (it took a few extra weeks because of the Hurricane's in August 2004) which means it might be really, really tight against that deadline. Essshhh. Hope it wont be a problem.
The hearing is in July ? "Do a good job, do a good job, do a good job" (said like Steve Buscemi "Rockhound" in Armageddon)
You could fly it in for $7000.It arrives with a week of completion date. You don't have to decide method of shipping until it reaches around stage 80.
Hmmmmmm
Do you know the exact date for the July hearing ?
Re: F430 sold out
Quote:i thought you would feel sorry for him and say , here take mine for a small fee
nberry said:Quote:
STRADALE said:
I'd agree with that.
Has anyone heard anything further regarding the air-bag issue ? I wonder if they'll even be a MY 2007.
Lets put it this way. Be happy you are taking delivery before September 1, 2006. This issue may get sticky.
Quick story. The other day I was entering a Freeway in my 430 Spider and had to accelerate to merge and obviously the exhaust was singing.
As I merged coming up next to me was a AM DB9. He was looking over at me but I thought nothing of it. I then exited and went into a shopping center parking lot and the AM followed. When I parked, he pulled next me and began asking how long I had to wait to get the car. I told him and he explained to me that he has been trying to get a 430 but was having difficulty finding one at a moderate price over MSRP. Also he would love to get a Spider but the situation was even worse.
He asked for my advice as to getting into a 430. I shared what I could. I found it interesting a AM guy wanting a 430. What ever people may think of Ferrari it has universal appeal.
Re: F430 sold out
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Crash said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
zzboba said:
Just spoke to a german dealer:
- F430 is sold out. They don't accept orders any more.
Is this your dealer only or all dealers?
Sounds logical, with a 18 to 24 months wait list, as the successor is expected for late 2008 - early 2009.
The dealer in my hometown is still taking orders - only 5-6 months of waiting here.
ONLY 5-6 months waiting, can't believe this,
witch country ????
Re: F430 sold out
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nberry said:
Here are the details.
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf95/381662_web.pdf
uh, they really had to come clean... "just some minor facelift", "new model in 2008"...
embarrassing situation.
my prophecy of doom:
- ROW markets will be flooded with F430's in 2007
- F430 successor will be delivered to US in advance, while ROW still has to wait
i hope they can settle this.
Re: F430 sold out
Thanks Nick.
I didn't read the whole thing but noticed they spoke about why they couldn't increase production (because they are at capacity) & stockpile vehicles manufacturing them before the September 1st deadline.
"At a meeting several months ago NHSTA staff raised the possibility that in lieu of an exemption Ferrari should stockpile F430 vehicled built (and certified)prior to September 1, 2006 for sale in the United States after that date"
So is the issue about not being able to SHIP to the US after September 1st OR they cannot MANUFACTURER cars after Septemeber 1st without the waiver ?
And look at this:
"The inability of Ferrari to sell F430 vehicles MANUFACTURED after the September 1, 2006 in the United States would also have a drastic effect on FNA"
It appears the September date is a manufacturing date not shipping into the US deadline. Which could mean as long as the car was manufactured in June or July (considering they still take August vacation) it wouldn't matter when the car was delivered to the US. And I would have to think if they don't get the waiver they are going to try and finish every single car they started. ......... Do you agree it looks like a manufacturing deadline not a delivery into the US deadline ????????????
I didn't read the whole thing but noticed they spoke about why they couldn't increase production (because they are at capacity) & stockpile vehicles manufacturing them before the September 1st deadline.
"At a meeting several months ago NHSTA staff raised the possibility that in lieu of an exemption Ferrari should stockpile F430 vehicled built (and certified)prior to September 1, 2006 for sale in the United States after that date"
So is the issue about not being able to SHIP to the US after September 1st OR they cannot MANUFACTURER cars after Septemeber 1st without the waiver ?
And look at this:
"The inability of Ferrari to sell F430 vehicles MANUFACTURED after the September 1, 2006 in the United States would also have a drastic effect on FNA"
It appears the September date is a manufacturing date not shipping into the US deadline. Which could mean as long as the car was manufactured in June or July (considering they still take August vacation) it wouldn't matter when the car was delivered to the US. And I would have to think if they don't get the waiver they are going to try and finish every single car they started. ......... Do you agree it looks like a manufacturing deadline not a delivery into the US deadline ????????????
Re: F430 sold out
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nberry said:
Here are the details.
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf95/381662_web.pdf
This letter was dated almost a year ago now. Anyone know what the follow up to it is? Is F just waiting for a decision or have they been denied?
BTW, if F just comes up with a solution or they bump up the next '08 car then it makes them look like they were just crying and making excuses in their letter. This will set a precedent for future which I'm sure they don't want to do. It looks like exemption is their only hope.
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