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May 4, 2006 12:59:34 PM

polo: Senior; Loc: France; Posts: 539, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 26, 2006

Test of 997 turbo in july....

Today I received a phone call from my dealer to let me know that few documents were available since a while and more importantly, I will be able to try

the 997 turbo the 1st of july -- to try out the tip and the manual gearbox! She said also that the test will last aorund an hour!

Can't wait till that date to try out both gearbox

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May 4, 2006 9:25:33 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59604, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: polo

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

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polo said:
Today I received a phone call from my dealer to let me know that few documents were available since a while and more importantly, I will be able to try the 997 turbo the 1st of july -- to try out the tip and the manual gearbox! She said also that the test will last aorund an hour!
Can't wait till that date to try out both gearbox

You're lucky that your dealer has one available. Most german dealers get only one car, maybe two if they're a large dealership. And I suspect that all cars are already sold, no testrides until the next batch comes in September.

I'm curious to hear your impressions of both since I will publish a short review around June 26th and a longer one early July.

Don't forget to take pictures.

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May 5, 2006 5:12:31 PM

polo: Senior; Loc: France; Posts: 539, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 26, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

My dealer is also Porsche France that is maybe why they will have one to try out for their customers, that might have ordered it firmly, I don't know for sure, but what counts is that I am on the list... I'm very lucky as you mentioned it to try it out, as it offset the long wait of getting her. I have a confirmed september prod and I gave a deposit on Feb. 14th... But I'm glad I have a chance to see how "good" is the new tip tranny and if it is (I'm skeptical but not stupid enough to not realize my mistakes) I can still make changes because I ordered a manual+LSD.
I will post my impressions and I will post pictures after the test ride

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May 16, 2006 11:06:37 AM

Frol: Newbie; Loc:; Posts: 7, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 6, 2003; Reply to: RC

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

I will get mine in june... maby eaven before the 24th since that a holyday here

Then i will def. take pictures and report on how it is.

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May 16, 2006 11:43:00 AM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: RC

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

are you sure about testrides? As far as I know my dealer will have one car for testdriving, not for selling.

AM

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May 16, 2006 2:19:46 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: ALDO

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

i have a test drive on june 26...cant wait!

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May 16, 2006 3:40:16 PM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

my dealer just called me, they have sold their contingent for this year (4 cars). They have a much larger contingent for next year. My option could be february 2007 or I should wait to August 2007. They will have a test drive car.

He has tested the 997 tt. He said the performance of the car is awesome. You don't hear the engine when accelerating, you hear how the tyres eat the road. Accelerating with manual is not so easy like it is with tiptronic. He said you start and immediately have to switch to the second gear. Will be hectically.
He said (as a rumour)that with MY 2008 (august 2007) PDK will be introduced instead of tiptronic.

AM

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May 16, 2006 3:52:28 PM

zzboba: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Germany; Posts: 3115, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: ALDO

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

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He said (as a rumour)that with MY 2008 (august 2007) PDK will be introduced instead of tiptronic.

if this is true, it's a slap in the face of all early turbo buyers.

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May 16, 2006 3:56:34 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: zzboba

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

Well Porsche has a big history at introducing features shortly after a model is released. Or maybe we can trust P for once and think the PDK just wasn't ready?

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May 16, 2006 4:10:24 PM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: zzboba

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

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zzboba said:

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He said (as a rumour)that with MY 2008 (august 2007) PDK will be introduced instead of tiptronic.

if this is true, it's a slap in the face of all early turbo buyers.

This is also my dilemma. Get a february 2007 car and a few month later all 997 tt will have PDK. Wait until august 2007 and then P decides not to introduce PDK!

AM

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May 16, 2006 4:28:43 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: ALDO

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

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zzboba said:

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He said (as a rumour)that with MY 2008 (august 2007) PDK will be introduced instead of tiptronic.

if this is true, it's a slap in the face of all early turbo buyers.

This is also my dilemma. Get a february 2007 car and a few month later all 997 tt will have PDK. Wait until august 2007 and then P decides not to introduce PDK!

AM

I'd say it's worth the wait. Porsche MAY not introduce the PDK in August 2007, but if it does and you ordered your car for February, you won't feel so good.

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May 16, 2006 4:32:16 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12682, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: zzboba

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

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zzboba said:

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He said (as a rumour)that with MY 2008 (august 2007) PDK will be introduced instead of tiptronic.

if this is true, it's a slap in the face of all early turbo buyers.

Especially a slap in the face of the early tiptronic-turbo-buyers...

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May 16, 2006 6:32:07 PM

WBH: Expert; Loc: CA; Posts: 1963, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 2, 2004; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

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Rossi said:
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zzboba said:

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He said (as a rumour)that with MY 2008 (august 2007) PDK will be introduced instead of tiptronic.

if this is true, it's a slap in the face of all early turbo buyers.

Especially a slap in the face of the early tiptronic-turbo-buyers...

An absurd conspiracy theory IMO.....if a robust PDK were available today, wouldn't any profit-seeking mfr seek ASAP release of an option that prob would command a greater (and higher margin) price than Tiptronic option????

And if PDK is as amazing as many claim, I suspect buyers of both archaic manual and Tip 997TT's will face a greater resale value hit

.....esp if PDK is avail in plentiful nos. early on....but given how cheap 997TT is priced, any incremental deprec hit is rounding error anyway, esp in US, where car prices and lease terms are esp cheap.....

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May 16, 2006 8:50:57 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: zzboba

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

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zzboba said:

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He said (as a rumour)that with MY 2008 (august 2007) PDK will be introduced instead of tiptronic.

if this is true, it's a slap in the face of all early turbo buyers.

true zzboba....a big slap in the face...IMO they should annouce the release date of pdk so people make their choice .such a major change is not acceptable after 1 year of the release of a new model. this is total betrayal!

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May 16, 2006 9:06:51 PM

Alan(NJ): Pilot; Loc: Paramus NJ USA; Posts: 403, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 29, 2002; Reply to: dhayek

C'mon let's be real

what company announces what they are bringing to market in 2 years? why would they freeze the market like that. Best advice - early buyers should not purchase outright, but rather lease it for 2 years. I'm doing a one time upfront lease payment - no interest on the lease and I walk from the car in 2 years.

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May 16, 2006 9:19:34 PM

SoCalHoosier: Veteran; Loc: California , United States; Posts: 896, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 13, 2003; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

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dhayek said:
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zzboba said:

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He said (as a rumour)that with MY 2008 (august 2007) PDK will be introduced instead of tiptronic.

if this is true, it's a slap in the face of all early turbo buyers.

true zzboba....a big slap in the face...IMO they should annouce the release date of pdk so people make their choice .such a major change is not acceptable after 1 year of the release of a new model. this is total betrayal!

I can't say who told me... but I heard the same rumor.

...And so I wait.

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May 16, 2006 10:15:32 PM

igzaklee: Senior; Loc: BH , United States; Posts: 797, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 16, 2003; Reply to: SoCalHoosier

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oh, it would be soooo like Porsche to keep PDK relatively under wrap to extract as much value as poss from their soon to be extinct tiptronics...

how many tips sell once PDK's introduced? none?

how many tips are they sitting on right now??...

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May 16, 2006 10:29:53 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12682, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: igzaklee

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

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oh, it would be soooo like Porsche to keep PDK relatively under wrap to extract as much value as poss from their soon to be extinct tiptronics...

how many tips sell once PDK's introduced? none?

how many tips are they sitting on right now??...

Right, these rumours give me a bitter taste.

At the moment the best tranny for the 997 tt is the manual, in a couple of months it most probably will be the PDK for the technology-enthusiastic drivers and still the manual for the die-hards.

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May 16, 2006 10:47:45 PM

Hurst: Veteran; Loc: Potomac, MD; Posts: 1255, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 15, 2005; Reply to: WBH

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

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VKSF said:
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Rossi said:
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zzboba said:

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He said (as a rumour)that with MY 2008 (august 2007) PDK will be introduced instead of tiptronic.

if this is true, it's a slap in the face of all early turbo buyers.

Especially a slap in the face of the early tiptronic-turbo-buyers...

An absurd conspiracy theory IMO.....if a robust PDK were available today, wouldn't any profit-seeking mfr seek ASAP release of an option that prob would command a greater (and higher margin) price than Tiptronic option????

And if PDK is as amazing as many claim, I suspect buyers of both archaic manual and Tip 997TT's will face a greater resale value hit .....esp if PDK is avail in plentiful nos. early on....but given how cheap 997TT is priced, any incremental deprec hit is rounding error anyway, esp in US, where car prices and lease terms are esp cheap.....

That is very logical, but another conspiracy theory might point to Porsche trying to unload obsolete tip gearboxes that would never be sold again if they infact did release PDK. Of course, I'm not familiar with their logistics...

My money is on the PDK coming with a diff model (the S or maybe the GT2/ GT2 mkII) to boost up the sales. I mean the 997TT is selling like hotcakes, why not wait?

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May 16, 2006 11:03:36 PM

Alan(NJ): Pilot; Loc: Paramus NJ USA; Posts: 403, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 29, 2002; Reply to: Hurst

according to contacts in PCNA

PDK is at least two years away, maybe more

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May 16, 2006 11:59:37 PM

WBH: Expert; Loc: CA; Posts: 1963, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 2, 2004; Reply to: Alan(NJ)

Re: C'mon let's be real

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Alan(NJ) said:
what company announces what they are bringing to market in 2 years? why would they freeze the market like that. Best advice - early buyers should not purchase outright, but rather lease it for 2 years. I'm doing a one time upfront lease payment - no interest on the lease and I walk from the car in 2 years.

Doesn't everyone who enjoys driving fresh copies of latest tech cars in most cost- and sales tax-efficient manner simply lease $0 down/5 yrs/10K mi/yr and trade-in every 6-12 mos, paying lease balance due at trade-in (and quickly acquiring "volume" discounts/priority at one's favorite dealer...and avoiding mtce costs/downtime

)????

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May 17, 2006 12:01:31 AM

SoCalHoosier: Veteran; Loc: California , United States; Posts: 896, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 13, 2003; Reply to: Alan(NJ)

Re: according to contacts in PCNA

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Alan(NJ) said:
PDK is at least two years away, maybe more

Kudos to PCNA to try to keep their sales up. I think there'll be enough demand that they don't need to worry about this. With that being said... they were rounding up to the highest number.

Less than two.

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May 17, 2006 12:06:00 AM

WBH: Expert; Loc: CA; Posts: 1963, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 2, 2004; Reply to: Alan(NJ)

Re: according to contacts in PCNA

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Alan(NJ) said:
PDK is at least two years away, maybe more

That's sense I also get...

Need a new '08 997TT in 12 mos anyway....I suspect there will be a sports exhaust option, poss X50 option, and inevitable software debugs on such a networked first-yr produc car....besides, after 15K mis of exuberant driving, I'm sure there will be stone chips, new rattles and semi-worn brakes/tires that I'd happily trade for a new copy

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May 17, 2006 1:38:21 AM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: ALDO

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

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mumbasic said:
my dealer just called me, they have sold their contingent for this year (4 cars). They have a much larger contingent for next year. My option could be february 2007 or I should wait to August 2007. They will have a test drive car.

He has tested the 997 tt. He said the performance of the car is awesome. You don't hear the engine when accelerating, you hear how the tyres eat the road. Accelerating with manual is not so easy like it is with tiptronic. He said you start and immediately have to switch to the second gear. Will be hectically.
He said (as a rumour)that with MY 2008 (august 2007) PDK will be introduced instead of tiptronic.

AM

I have heard the same rumour on this side of the pond-PDK in MY2008-at the earliest.

But rather than join in the Nick-esque Porschephobic view of some on this thread that Porsche is "holding back" PDK to "milk" 997TT-TipS sales, I'll ask all those naysayers this:

Have you considered the possiblility that Porsche wants to introduce a tranny that enables the driver to shift (and thus control) the car as he would a manual with lightning-quick shift times, capable of handling prodigious torque, yet with a "smart" automatic mode that interfaces seemlessly with the complicated computer-controlled systems now installed in the current 997TT (PSM, PTM, VTG's), that would render the current offering of PDK/DSG/F1 trannies obsolete?

And that Achleitner's and Wiedeking's references to "difficulties" developing the PDK are not signs of brain cramps afflicting Porsche engineers hungover from burning the midnight oil and overdosing on caffeine attempting to make the 997TT-TipS succeed?

Guys, I don't know about you, but if I intend to buy a 911Turbo that does not use a manual stick, then I prefer that its tranny replacement to be an advance over the present technology, not merely an application from the competition's offerings to the Porsche line-up. If it takes a few years of R&D (and marketing timing), so be it. And stop crying about depreciability of the current 997TT in TipS or manual guise for when the next technological breakthrough comes around in the next version of the car-if that's why you are buying a Porsche, then you are buying the wrong car for the wrong reason, and you should not buy the car now. There is no God-given, inalienable right to life, liberty and a 911Turbo with low depreciation risk.

All this depreciation talk and Porsche "baiting" 997TT buyers with Tippies instead of bringing out the PDK it has "under wraps" in Weissach sounds like it belongs on Ferrarichat.

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May 17, 2006 1:43:41 AM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: Test of 997 turbo in july....

...And sorry if I sound a little curmudgeonly tonight. But the 911Turbo is meant to be driven hard and enjoyed. Not to be fawned over with fretting about every raindrop that hits it and rubber it peels, lest it will sell for less than you bought it. Who thinks about selling it even before they buy it?

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May 17, 2006 1:50:22 AM

SoCal Alan: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Orange County , United States; Posts: 7268, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 6, 2004; Reply to: WBH

Re: C'mon let's be real

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VKSF said:
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Alan(NJ) said:
what company announces what they are bringing to market in 2 years? why would they freeze the market like that. Best advice - early buyers should not purchase outright, but rather lease it for 2 years. I'm doing a one time upfront lease payment - no interest on the lease and I walk from the car in 2 years.

Doesn't everyone who enjoys driving fresh copies of latest tech cars in most cost- and sales tax-efficient manner simply lease $0 down/5 yrs/10K mi/yr and trade-in every 6-12 mos, paying lease balance due at trade-in (and quickly acquiring "volume" discounts/priority at one's favorite dealer...and avoiding mtce costs/downtime )????

VK, don't you get hit hard by turning in your lease 4 years early, every year?

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May 17, 2006 3:09:21 AM

TulsaTurbo: Co-Pilot; Loc: Oklahoma, USA; Posts: 284, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 24, 2006; Reply to: SoCal Alan

Re: C'mon let's be real

To those of you who are concerned with depreciation and the possibility that PDK might be made available soon, I say cheers

and by all means wait.

For me, I am getting my 997 tt in July

and will be enjoying every ounce of goodie fit has to offer

for the next few years. Life is too short to wait for possibly two years or more

for fear of depreciation or PDK coming out next year. I choose to enjoy life with all the gusto it currently has to offer

... and that would be the 997 tt!

ASAP

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May 17, 2006 3:29:54 AM

rhino: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Island , Saint Lucia; Posts: 2875, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 26, 2006; Reply to: TulsaTurbo

May 17, 2006 4:43:15 AM

SoCalHoosier: Veteran; Loc: California , United States; Posts: 896, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 13, 2003; Reply to: SoCal Alan

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SoCal Alan said:
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VKSF said:
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Alan(NJ) said:
what company announces what they are bringing to market in 2 years? why would they freeze the market like that. Best advice - early buyers should not purchase outright, but rather lease it for 2 years. I'm doing a one time upfront lease payment - no interest on the lease and I walk from the car in 2 years.

Doesn't everyone who enjoys driving fresh copies of latest tech cars in most cost- and sales tax-efficient manner simply lease $0 down/5 yrs/10K mi/yr and trade-in every 6-12 mos, paying lease balance due at trade-in (and quickly acquiring "volume" discounts/priority at one's favorite dealer...and avoiding mtce costs/downtime )????

VK, don't you get hit hard by turning in your lease 4 years early, every year?

I was thinking the same thing...
Why not just buy it outright and sell it each year. I never thought to do the math on it, but do you actually come out better because of the 1st year's depreciation? (to lease rather than buy)

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May 17, 2006 2:08:57 PM

W8MM: Rennteam Master; Loc: Cincinnati, OH , United States; Posts: 3997, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 8, 2003; Reply to: Turbo Al

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Turbo Al said:Who thinks about selling it even before they buy it?

I think his name is Nick

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