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Re: Cayman S vs. Honda (Acura) NSX
First, the hand-built NSX with its hand-built by one person, titanium connecting rod, aluminum engine is significantly less likely to leak oil or suddenly fail unlike the 987 C7S' engine. It has had its bugs exterminated over its evolutionary lifespan. Second, the aluminum independent double-wishbone suspension design is supposed to be superior to MacPherson struts. Third, it is the most reliable supercar in the world by being a Honda and by having a lifespan of 12 years and counting. Last, the shift feel is superb, second to the S2000, and it has a spare tire, a 5.0 cu.ft. trunk, and a limited slip differential!
In comparison, the Cayman will have a lower redline, better safety, much better steering feel, superb brakes, likely better luggage capacity, and would be, in case of an accident, easier and cheaper to fix its steel body compared to hand-built aluminum. Also it would likely have better suspension tuning and wheel size/tire composition.
I'd love to see both cars duke it out on the track.
In comparison, the Cayman will have a lower redline, better safety, much better steering feel, superb brakes, likely better luggage capacity, and would be, in case of an accident, easier and cheaper to fix its steel body compared to hand-built aluminum. Also it would likely have better suspension tuning and wheel size/tire composition.
I'd love to see both cars duke it out on the track.
Re: Cayman S vs. Honda (Acura) NSX
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bazza said:
what honda most popular for!?
engine blown.
from f1 to everyday car .
Well, Honda's F1 team is weak, but that really has nothing to do with the reliability of their street cars, which is superb. For 30K less, I'd be more interested in the Cayman. The NSX really needs a power upgrade if it is to regain "supercar" status.
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Re: Cayman S vs. Honda (Acura) NSX
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mcdelaug said:
Well, Honda's F1 team is weak, but that really has nothing to do with the reliability of their street cars, which is superb. For 30K less, I'd be more interested in the Cayman. The NSX really needs a power upgrade if it is to regain "supercar" status.
I agree. The NSX is virtually unchanged (minor tweaks) since 1991 - the competition has not stood still...
May 26, 2005 7:51:17 PM
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Re: Cayman S vs. Honda (Acura) NSX
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First, the hand-built NSX with its hand-built by one person, titanium connecting rod, aluminum engine is significantly less likely to leak oil or suddenly fail unlike the 987 C7S' engine.Quote:
Says who? Don't forget that to even tap into the NSX's engine you have to wind it out so if they're engine is spending 50% of its life at 75% of redline, I don't know how you can say it's going to be more reliable than the 987's engine. Do you work for JD Power or something?Quote:
Second, the aluminum independent double-wishbone suspension design is supposed to be superior to MacPherson struts.Quote:
You said it yourself - "supposed to be". Compare lap times, lateral G, etc. I guess that either Honda has created a sub-optimal application of double wishbones or Porsche has created a super MacPherson set up because the 987/997 are not "inferior" to the NSX in this regard.Quote:
Third, it is the most reliable supercar in the world by being a Honda and by having a lifespan of 12 years and counting.Quote:
Sorry but the 911's been going on 40 years so Honda has a bit of catching up to do.Quote:
Last, the shift feel is superb, second to the S2000, and it has a spare tire, a 5.0 cu.ft. trunk, and a limited slip differential!
In comparison, the Cayman will have a lower redline, better safety, much better steering feel, superb brakes, likely better luggage capacity, and would be, in case of an accident, easier and cheaper to fix its steel body compared to hand-built aluminum. Also it would likely have better suspension tuning and wheel size/tire composition.Quote:
Don't forget, when Honda launched the Acura division, Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost were their MacLaren drivers and Honda dominated the sport. It's "Precision Crafted Performance" slogan was reflected in the sporty image it was trying to instill and the NSX served as the crown jewel. Since the S2000 was recently canned, I can't believe the NSX will continue to live on in its current form. I suspect that the NSX will be reincarnated with V6 power and electric assist. I think it will be different, expensive, environment friendly and not really a competitor for the 987 or even a 997. My $.02
May 28, 2005 12:10:19 AM
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Re: Cayman S vs. Honda (Acura) NSX
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Jeff (in SF) said:
Says who? Don't forget that to even tap into the NSX's engine you have to wind it out so if they're engine is spending 50% of its life at 75% of redline, I don't know how you can say it's going to be more reliable than the 987's engine. Do you work for JD Power or something?
Jeff, the NSX engine does not have any fundamental design flaws unlike the 986/987's engine. I just did a search and according to the guys at nsxprime.com, in most "...instances of NSX engines blowing up...I believe...occurred due to oil starvation at high speed on high-banked oval tracks, where there are extremely high, sustained lateral g forces."
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5850&highlight=blown+engine
It's a pity it does not have a dry sump design. But at least it now shares something with the mighty 986/987.
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1873&highlight=dry+sump
By the way, the ability to wind out an engine daily without fear, using proper warm-up and cool-down procedures, is what makes driving Honda's such a blast.
Sorry to disappoint, I do not work for JD Power or something.
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You said it yourself - "supposed to be". Compare lap times, lateral G, etc. I guess that either Honda has created a sub-optimal application of double wishbones or Porsche has created a super MacPherson set up because the 987/997 are not "inferior" to the NSX in this regard.
I agree the 987/997 may not be "inferior" to the NSX with regard to suspension. But, from my rather limited suspension knowledge, I suppose, theoretically, the wishbones are superior for track driving and suspension-to-driver communication compared to the struts otherwise the CGT, McLaren F1, current F1 cars and the NSX would have used MacPherson struts.
Quote:I love the fact that the 911 has been around for approx. 40 years, but I am sad that 40 years of experience was not enough for Porsche to engineer a highly reliable water-cooled engine for their 986/987.
Jeff (in SF) said:
Sorry but the 911's been going on 40 years so Honda has a bit of catching up to do.
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Jeff (in SF) said:
Since the S2000 was recently canned,
What is/are your source/sources for this partial statement? Thanks in advance, Jeff.
Re: Cayman S vs. Honda (Acura) NSX
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Moogle said:
NSX interior is DEFINITELY 80s looking, surprisingly, the exterior has aged extremely well (in my opinion) for a cars thats more than 10 years old...
indeed, the competition has not stood still
Agreed, I personally like the '91-'03 (I think '03) exterior batter than the new facia, but it looks great to this day, definately not dated.
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