Aug 9, 2016 12:10:22 PM
Aug 9, 2016 1:10:24 PM
Interesting rumor I heard when I picked up my R8 at my Audi dealer (who also sells Lamborghini): Apparently, there has been a new Nordschleife record, achieved by a Lamborghini Huracan Superleggera mule but with production power and production chassis setup. Tires were also the Pirelli tires the Superleggera will be delivered with. This hasn't been made public (yet?) because VW Group put a lid on this information. This rumor has circled for a couple of weeks but apparently there was a Lamborghini engineer who confirmed it. Record time was a fractions of a second better...
I know, I know...just a rumor but if true, the new Superleggera should be an interesting product. The Audi version will very likely be named R8 GT.
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RC:Interesting rumor I heard when I picked up my R8 at my Audi dealer (who also sells Lamborghini): Apparently, there has been a new Nordschleife record, achieved by a Lamborghini Huracan Superleggera mule but with production power and production chassis setup. Tires were also the Pirelli tires the Superleggera will be delivered with. This hasn't been made public (yet?) because VW Group put a lid on this information. This rumor has circled for a couple of weeks but apparently there was a Lamborghini engineer who confirmed it. Record time was a fractions of a second better...
I know, I know...just a rumor but if true, the new Superleggera should be an interesting product. The Audi version will very likely be named R8 GT.
Heard exactly the same , the Superleggera mule was driven by Marco Mapelli
Aug 9, 2016 2:25:43 PM
kingjr9000:Any info as to weight or power?
Rumored power 640 hp (other sources indicate 630), rumored weight 85-100 kg less than current Huracan.
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Lamborghini has recently been very active in GT racing whether Blancpain or other series and I am sure they are harvesting some of the fruit from these efforts. A race engineer I know has said that from day 1 they worked on the car they were very impressed with everything from the quality to the layout. He is also working on Audi, Ferrari and McLaren GT3 cars. Good to see a brand who has less history in racing step up, and deliver to the clients.
Aug 9, 2016 3:34:22 PM
tso:Lamborghini has recently been very active in GT racing whether Blancpain or other series and I am sure they are harvesting some of the fruit from these efforts. A race engineer I know has said that from day 1 they worked on the car they were very impressed with everything from the quality to the layout. He is also working on Audi, Ferrari and McLaren GT3 cars. Good to see a brand who has less history in racing step up, and deliver to the clients.
I don't have much of a clue about Lambo and Audi racing tech but I am learning... Only thing I know is that the V10 engine is a real treat and the day it won't be built anymore, will be a very sad one. If only Porsche would have used this engine for their "960", what a shame.
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Aug 9, 2016 5:30:17 PM
This is something that also go with what your guy was saying. Can anyone on here translate:
Lamborghini Huracán Superleggera auf Rekordjagd
King of the Ring für straßenzugelassene Serienfahrzeuge ist bislang der Porsche 918Spyder. Doch das könnte sich am Dienstagabend (19.7.2016) geändert haben. Unseren Quellen zufolge hat sich der Lamborghini Huracán Superleggera - noch als Erlkönig getarnt – zu einem Rekordversuch aufgemacht. Der Leichtbausportwagen, der rund 100 Kilogramm im Vergleich zum Basis-Huracán (1.564 kg vollgetankt) verlieren dürfte, soll nur eine schnelle Bahn abgespult haben. Und dabei zumindest die Zeit des Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 SV von 6:59,73 Minuten unterboten haben. Augenzeugen berichten von jubelnden Lamborghini-Mechanikern. Die Zeit des Porsche 918 Spyder von 6:57 Minuten liegt nicht weit entfernt. Vielleicht hat der Superleggera sich sogar die Krone aufgesetzt. Von Lamborghini bekamen wir auf Nachfrage die Antwort zugesendet, man könne zu einem möglichen Rekordversuch nichts sagen. Das ist keine Bestätigung. Aber ein Dementi klingt jedenfalls anders.
Die Woche zuvor stimmte Lamborghini sein neuestes Huracán-Derivat im Industrie-Pool auf die Gegebenheiten auf der Nordschleife ab. Für die mögliche Rekordfahrt mietete sich Lambo exklusiv die Strecke zwischen Industrie-Tests und Touristenfahrten. Einen Tag später rollte der Superleggera für Fotofahrten um die Nordschleife.
Im September 2013 hatte der Porsche 918 Spyder als erstes Straßenauto überhaupt die Schallmauer von sieben Minuten unterboten. Porsche-Werksfahrer Marc Lieb saß am Steuer. Halt mal, werden Nordschleifen-Fanatiker jetzt sagen: Sowohl Radical SR8 (6:55 Min.) als auch Radical SR8 LM (6:48 Min.) sind da aber schon mal schneller gewesen. Stimmt. Aber: Die Sportler besitzen nur eine britische Einzelzulassung und werden daher ausgeklammert.
Im Mai 2015 kam der Porsche 918 Spyder ins Zittern: Der Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 SV rückte zu Reifentests (Pirelli P Zero Corsa) auf die Nordschleife aus. Und der Lambo, angetrieben von einem 6,5-Liter-V12, bolzte mit ordentlich Schmackes durch die Grüne Hölle, und kam dem 918 gefährlich nah. Sein kleinerer Leichtbau-Bruder könnte dem Porsche jetzt sogar die zwei fetten Endrohre gezeigt haben. Und daraus kreischen: V10 schlägt Hybrid.
McLaren hat seinen Hybridsupersportwagen P1 ebenfalls schon auf die Nordschleife losgelassen. Es heißt von McLaren, der 916 PS starke Sportler habe die Piste in unter sieben Minuten gemeistert. Eine offizielle Zeit aber gibt es vom McLaren P1 nicht.
Seitens Mclaren heißt es, die Bedingungen seien nicht optimal gewesen. Weil der Asphalt zu kalt gewesen sein soll. Die klimatischen Verhältnisse spielen auf einer Rennstrecke eine wichtige Rolle. Höhere Temperaturen bedeuten mehr Haftung. Doch zu hoch düfen sich nicht sein. Sonst beginnen die Reifen zu schmieren. Auch der Fahrer ist von Bedeutung. Ein guter Pilot – wie zum Beispiel Lieb – kann die letzten paar Sekunden rausquetschen.
Aug 9, 2016 6:17:29 PM
After being screwed by Ferrari and blown away by the Huracan 580-2, I will "try" to get the upcoming Superleggera. Hopefully they will improve the steering as this was my only complain. I say "try" because these days it's not enough just to have the money in order to get the most desirable sports car. I had to cancel my order for the GT3 because of the engine problem, then the GT3 RS was impossible to get at list price and my 488 order ....I heard that the Austrian dealer Jurgen Keusch got arresed.
Back to the Huracan... This is by far the best engine you can get in this class...and such a confident chassis. My expectations for the Superleggera are very, very high. The 488 is already out of my mind....
Aug 10, 2016 6:36:47 AM
BjoernB:here we go again..... - well I am rather sure that non of the superleggera's that will come to a customer will be close to those times as much as it is the case with the SV.....or Corvettes or.....
Yes, I know...factory claims are always different but there is a reason why VW Group put a lid on this record...
I was very disappointed with the Aventador SV results in Sport Auto but it is also weird that Lamborghini won't give the test team the proper tire pressures/setups. Same weirdness with the R8 who miraculously performed bad in the Supertest and didn't have the full power when put on the dyno. Other car magazines achieved much better performance times, basically identical with the new Turbo S and Huracan.
I kind of get the feeling that VW Group doesn't want open competition in their brands family, at least not obvious competition and they still consider Porsche the sportscar brand, Piech and all.
Of course nobody doubts the performance of the 918, this car is a beast and a dream for every sports car lover but no matter what time the Superleggera achieves, the engine is absolutely divine. In 10 years tops, everyone will cry after such an engine.
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Actually, does it really matters?
918 achieved this time back in the times, when it wasn’t finally optimized, without the latest upgrades to the front e-motors and battery calibration. The max speed at the last straight was also compromised, compared even with Sport Auto's test later in the times…
So, the real potential of this car at the Ring will never be known, because the model is sold out long ago and also Porsche has to leave room for future models with “impressive” Ring times like GT2 RS,980, 918 successors, etc…
All these Ring debates are fun for us as car enthusiast, but marketing and car manufacturing have different needs…
Boyko23:Actually, does it really matters?
918 achieved this time back in the times, when it wasn’t finally optimized, without the latest upgrades to the front e-motors and battery calibration. The max speed at the last straight was also compromised, compared even with Sport Auto's test later in the times…
So, the real potential of this car at the Ring will never be known, because the model is sold out long ago and also Porsche has to leave room for future models with “impressive” Ring times like GT2 RS,980, 918 successors, etc…
All these Ring debates are fun for us as car enthusiast, but marketing and car manufacturing have different needs…
Also, the 918 costs a fortune and the Superleggera should be around 230k EUR base price.
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Aug 13, 2016 2:18:44 AM
Aug 13, 2016 4:01:09 AM
kingjr9000:The arrogance of this guy, am I right
He is very fully of himself, probably for a reason (he has over 300k subscribers, which isn't bad for someone who talks most of the time about cars...) and while there is some truth in what he says about the Superleggera rumor, how can he claim it is a lie when he doesn't know for sure? This rumor has not even be started by Lamborghini, the testing around the Nordschleife was actually secret and the time has never been published officially or even officially been claimed by Lamborghini but the rumors says that VW Group put a lid on this information because they didn't like the result (time was too good). Btw: Rumor has it that the Superleggera did under 7 minutes but nobody knows for sure if it has beaten the 918 time or just matched it. So there is a lot of confusion going on here but Lamborghini never said anything about this and VW Group tried keep it on a very low profile, so how could this be a marketing ploy?! No way.
Also, he claimed that the Huracan is faster than the Aventador, which is a little bit of a stretch in my opinion. Yes, it can probably keep up pretty well with the Aventador but once the Aventador hits over 200 kph, the Huracan looses. Track performance? Well, I can see that and yes, the Huracan is certainly the better platform for a fast track car compared to the (heavier) Aventador but this is exactly my point...it is highly possible that it did the Nordschleife under 7 minutes.
Btw: The 918 record time has been achieved by Porsche with a factory driver, so I think it is highly possible that a Huracan with let's say 100 kg less weight, a very track oriented chassis, the proper tires (apparently Pirelli offers a new track tire for the Huracan Superleggera because the record time was achieved during tire testing...) and maybe 30-40 horses more can achieve this goal. This doesn't mean that the final (production) car can achieve that or that any car journalist would be able to replicate this record time but has actually any car journalist achieved under 7 minutes with the 918?! Well...
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Aug 13, 2016 6:02:13 AM
Aug 13, 2016 6:11:33 AM
RC:kingjr9000:The arrogance of this guy, am I right
He is very fully of himself, probably for a reason (he has over 300k subscribers, which isn't bad for someone who talks most of the time about cars...) and while there is some truth in what he says about the Superleggera rumor, how can he claim it is a lie when he doesn't know for sure? This rumor has not even be started by Lamborghini, the testing around the Nordschleife was actually secret and the time has never been published officially or even officially been claimed by Lamborghini but the rumors says that VW Group put a lid on this information because they didn't like the result (time was too good). Btw: Rumor has it that the Superleggera did under 7 minutes but nobody knows for sure if it has beaten the 918 time or just matched it. So there is a lot of confusion going on here but Lamborghini never said anything about this and VW Group tried keep it on a very low profile, so how could this be a marketing ploy?! No way.
Also, he claimed that the Huracan is faster than the Aventador, which is a little bit of a stretch in my opinion. Yes, it can probably keep up pretty well with the Aventador but once the Aventador hits over 200 kph, the Huracan looses. Track performance? Well, I can see that and yes, the Huracan is certainly the better platform for a fast track car compared to the (heavier) Aventador but this is exactly my point...it is highly possible that it did the Nordschleife under 7 minutes.
Btw: The 918 record time has been achieved by Porsche with a factory driver, so I think it is highly possible that a Huracan with let's say 100 kg less weight, a very track oriented chassis, the proper tires (apparently Pirelli offers a new track tire for the Huracan Superleggera because the record time was achieved during tire testing...) and maybe 30-40 horses more can achieve this goal. This doesn't mean that the final (production) car can achieve that or that any car journalist would be able to replicate this record time but has actually any car journalist achieved under 7 minutes with the 918?! Well...
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)
Another thing that most people seem to forget is that there are officially two versions of the 918, while technically only one. Theres the pre-pro, which is the one that did the time and had semi-functioning bits, and then theres the final-pro, which is the fully optimized customer car and probably has about 950hp & 1000 lb-ft, versus a car that is basically old fashioned engineering and down about 200-375hp & 250-400 lb-ft. The fact that lambs are able to get anywhere near the time on various tracks is actually a nice accomplishment in my eyes. The fact that the SV is able to be generally within a second of the 675lt on the tracks that they've been on, despite the 800lb difference and on corsas vs trofeos, is a solid testament to its raw ability.
While most people either don't care or don't know that the ring 918 is essentially a different car compared to the one that everyone owns, and when they go to compare it and it doesn't get anywhere near the 918, then they claim lambo lies.
Aug 13, 2016 6:23:58 AM
Aug 13, 2016 6:52:07 AM
kingjr9000:RC:kingjr9000:The arrogance of this guy, am I right
He is very fully of himself, probably for a reason (he has over 300k subscribers, which isn't bad for someone who talks most of the time about cars...) and while there is some truth in what he says about the Superleggera rumor, how can he claim it is a lie when he doesn't know for sure? This rumor has not even be started by Lamborghini, the testing around the Nordschleife was actually secret and the time has never been published officially or even officially been claimed by Lamborghini but the rumors says that VW Group put a lid on this information because they didn't like the result (time was too good). Btw: Rumor has it that the Superleggera did under 7 minutes but nobody knows for sure if it has beaten the 918 time or just matched it. So there is a lot of confusion going on here but Lamborghini never said anything about this and VW Group tried keep it on a very low profile, so how could this be a marketing ploy?! No way.
Also, he claimed that the Huracan is faster than the Aventador, which is a little bit of a stretch in my opinion. Yes, it can probably keep up pretty well with the Aventador but once the Aventador hits over 200 kph, the Huracan looses. Track performance? Well, I can see that and yes, the Huracan is certainly the better platform for a fast track car compared to the (heavier) Aventador but this is exactly my point...it is highly possible that it did the Nordschleife under 7 minutes.
Btw: The 918 record time has been achieved by Porsche with a factory driver, so I think it is highly possible that a Huracan with let's say 100 kg less weight, a very track oriented chassis, the proper tires (apparently Pirelli offers a new track tire for the Huracan Superleggera because the record time was achieved during tire testing...) and maybe 30-40 horses more can achieve this goal. This doesn't mean that the final (production) car can achieve that or that any car journalist would be able to replicate this record time but has actually any car journalist achieved under 7 minutes with the 918?! Well...
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)
Another thing that most people seem to forget is that there are officially two versions of the 918, while technically only one. Theres the pre-pro, which is the one that did the time and had semi-functioning bits, and then theres the final-pro, which is the fully optimized customer car and probably has about 950hp & 1000 lb-ft, versus a car that is basically old fashioned engineering and down about 200-375hp & 250-400 lb-ft. The fact that lambs are able to get anywhere near the time on various tracks is actually a nice accomplishment in my eyes. The fact that the SV is able to be generally within a second of the 675lt on the tracks that they've been on, despite the 800lb difference and on corsas vs trofeos, is a solid testament to its raw ability.
While most people either don't care or don't know that the ring 918 is essentially a different car compared to the one that everyone owns, and when they go to compare it and it doesn't get anywhere near the 918, then they claim lambo lies.
Well no. The record car is perhaps 90% of the production car, it really isn't that much different in output vs the production car either. Porache listed 887HP combined. Not much HP to be gained from the e-motor, except the production car can rev a bit higher. The gas engine are guaranteed to output at least 608HP, within German rule, they can have a 5%+- margin, since Porsche kept a hard floor of 608HP, the engines could make an extra 30HP or so. The major difference is that the record car does not have active aero. And the hybrid system is not fully optimized in its integration.
The actual record car could have perhaps another 10 seconds in it if they really really push it. That was from analyzing the data. A production car with all the updates might shave another 5 or so. There could perhaps be another 30 seconds if not more to be had if it runs on racing slicks instead of the ECO tires. Hell if it has Trofeo R then it would have been a easy 6:40 out of the gate. There were rumors that McLaren had used hand cut slicks to look like Trofeo Rs for their Ring run just to get under 7 mins, like, that old trick Pagani uses.
Does it matter? Absolutely not. Time has moved on. 918 was the fastest of the hypercar of its era. P1 didn't beat it, nor did the LaFerrari. The book is closed. Koenigsegg tried and crashed
Didn't a Speciale beat the Enzo's time at Fiorano? Don't think any Enzo owners will be slightly upset.
Aug 13, 2016 11:07:19 PM
Any info on this guy?
http://www.motoring.com.au/porsche-960-supercar-on-the-way-102213/
Aug 14, 2016 4:13:40 AM
Performance of the 960 GT3 is said to match the 918 or better.... 2.4 sec to 100 km/h.. pure speculation lol
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Aug 14, 2016 6:21:51 AM
There will be no 960 as long as the R8 lives.
and that guy is high on crack if he thinks a mid engine quad turbo car can weight 1400kg.
The next generation Porsche V8 are hot Vs, there is simply no room for quad turbos inside, only alternative would be using the twin scroll turbos like those in BMWs.
Aug 14, 2016 7:08:18 AM