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    Jan 6, 2003 11:59:45 AM

    zzbobaA
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    DETROIT: maser "kubang" crossover vehicle unveiled

    reminds me of the merc GST concept car:

    http://www.autonews.com/page.cms?pageId=266

    i think this kind of four doored car (big, but not boring like an estate and not pretending to be an all terrain vehicle) would have suited porsche better as well.

    btw... here are some pictures of a murcielago roadster concept from the same source:

    http://www.autonews.com/page.cms?pageId=269

    Jan 6, 2003 12:06:21 PM

    Ron (Houston)M
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    Wow, murcielago roadster

    Thanks zzboba,
    Cool pictures and info.

    Jan 6, 2003 12:58:57 PM

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    The Maserati looks like the Cayenne sketches.

    No cargo space is the most obvious similarity. This is probably what Porsche wanted to do but focus group results and marketing considerations influnced the final results. They should take a page from Bob Lutz playbook and ignore all that stuff. Just build what feels right. Maybe this idea could be a new model of the Cayenne concept? Smaller, sportier, maybe two door, four passanger, limited cargo area? BMW seems ready to introduce the X-3.

    It looks to me like the Maserati does have All-Terrain pretensions; look at the ground clearance.

    Jan 8, 2003 1:39:59 AM

    GM AustinM
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    Re: The Maserati looks like the Cayenne sketches.

    On further reflection, this is not what Porsche should have done. Porsche wanted to replace the SUV in their 911 owner's garage. The Kubang concept, although inviting, wouldn't have done it. It might have even replaced a few 911's. The final outcome of Porsche's design effort for the Cayenne, while far too pedestrian for most of our tastes, does fit in that realm of acceptable family transportation for many buyers while still adding some excitement and true off-raod ability.

    Jan 8, 2003 11:01:29 AM

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    Re: The Maserati looks like the Cayenne sketches.

    IMO porsche is marketing (ads with track pictures, walter roehrl driving it on the nuerburgring etc) the cayenne as kind of a sports car anyway

    the two people i know personally who already ordered a cayenne are going to trade in their current porsches (one owns a 996 carrera, the other one a boxster). at least in germany there will be some cannibalization i guess.
     
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