Crown

Board: AMG Mercedes Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread

    Oct 17, 2004 9:28:10 PM

    Bilal
    Expert
    Bilal
    Loc: Manchester, UK
    Posts: 1533, Gallery
    Registered on: Jun 20, 2003

    The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    right click save target as

    http://www.ribbelov.se/filmer/bilar/e55_amg.wmv

    (I know the E55 understeer severely and is in no way a track car before anyone starts criticising)

    Oct 18, 2004 10:37:26 AM

    J.Seven
    Rennteam Master
    J.Seven
    Loc: Estoril , Portugal
    Posts: 3201, Gallery
    Registered on: Sep 16, 2002
    Reply to: Bilal

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    Nice video.
    On this case, the understeer has much more to do with the driver than the car.

    J.Seven

    Oct 18, 2004 10:37:26 AM

    J.Seven
    Rennteam Master
    J.Seven
    Loc: Estoril , Portugal
    Posts: 3201, Gallery
    Registered on: Sep 16, 2002
    Reply to: Bilal

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    Nice video.
    On this case, the understeer has much more to do with the driver than the car.

    J.Seven

    Oct 18, 2004 1:51:54 PM

    Bilal
    Expert
    Bilal
    Loc: Manchester, UK
    Posts: 1533, Gallery
    Registered on: Jun 20, 2003
    Reply to: J.Seven

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    Agreed. ALL Mercedes understeer because its the safest form of handling, and you know how Mercedes feels about safety. The thing is, when you're taking a 2 ton 700NM@2700rpm tyre-shredding monster which understeers naturally onto a track as a novice, then turn ESP off and try to powerslide like an M car, you're playing with fire.

    Oct 18, 2004 1:51:54 PM

    Bilal
    Expert
    Bilal
    Loc: Manchester, UK
    Posts: 1533, Gallery
    Registered on: Jun 20, 2003
    Reply to: J.Seven

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    Agreed. ALL Mercedes understeer because its the safest form of handling, and you know how Mercedes feels about safety. The thing is, when you're taking a 2 ton 700NM@2700rpm tyre-shredding monster which understeers naturally onto a track as a novice, then turn ESP off and try to powerslide like an M car, you're playing with fire.

    Oct 18, 2004 7:06:30 PM

    slytoksy
    Newbie
    slytoksy
    Loc:
    Posts: 27, Gallery
    Registered on: May 28, 2004
    Reply to: Bilal

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    Quote:
    ///AMG Mercedes said:
    Agreed. ALL Mercedes understeer because its the safest form of handling, and you know how Mercedes feels about safety.



    I beg to differ..its comments like this that prevent Mercedes-AMG from improving their cars handling

    Oct 18, 2004 7:06:30 PM

    slytoksy
    Newbie
    slytoksy
    Loc:
    Posts: 27, Gallery
    Registered on: May 28, 2004
    Reply to: Bilal

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    Quote:
    ///AMG Mercedes said:
    Agreed. ALL Mercedes understeer because its the safest form of handling, and you know how Mercedes feels about safety.



    I beg to differ..its comments like this that prevent Mercedes-AMG from improving their cars handling

    Oct 18, 2004 11:42:56 PM

    FixedWing
    Veteran
    FixedWing
    Loc:
    Posts: 870, Gallery
    Registered on: May 25, 2002
    Reply to: Bilal

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    Quote:
    ///AMG Mercedes said:
    ... understeer [is] the safest form of handling...



    I also disagree with this generalisation. In the hands of someone who knows little about a car's handling oversteer can be counterintuitive. But understeer has its own set of "gotcha's" too. In fact, I watched someone crash on Sunday from understeer.

    Stephen

    Oct 18, 2004 11:42:56 PM

    FixedWing
    Veteran
    FixedWing
    Loc:
    Posts: 870, Gallery
    Registered on: May 25, 2002
    Reply to: Bilal

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    Quote:
    ///AMG Mercedes said:
    ... understeer [is] the safest form of handling...



    I also disagree with this generalisation. In the hands of someone who knows little about a car's handling oversteer can be counterintuitive. But understeer has its own set of "gotcha's" too. In fact, I watched someone crash on Sunday from understeer.

    Stephen

    Oct 19, 2004 12:58:51 AM

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany
    Posts: 59602, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 26, 2002
    Reply to: Bilal

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    The driver (from Sweden?) is just D.U.M.B., nothing more.
    He is lucky he "saved" his car without any harm, however I'm pretty sure that his rear tires were "finished".

    Instead of trying to stabilize the car after the pretty weird approach to that curve (which actually isn't really understeer in my opinion but the result of braking too late and just slipping straight forward), this funny guy keeps his foot fully on the throttle like a maniac.
    He could have stabilized the car pretty easily by just gently reducing throttle and do the rest with the steering.

    I saw such driving style pretty often, I call it the "brainless" driving style. These are people who don't have a real feel for the car and try to stay on the track at any cost by using brutal power and playing around with the steering.

    The art of track driving is not to burn rubber or do spectacular (in this case: FUNNY) drifts but to find the ideal driving line to be able to drive around the track at a pretty decent speed without loosing control.

    What fun is it if you need a set of new rear tires after a track event? Or if you destroy or damage your car?

    Oct 19, 2004 12:58:51 AM

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany
    Posts: 59602, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 26, 2002
    Reply to: Bilal

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    The driver (from Sweden?) is just D.U.M.B., nothing more.
    He is lucky he "saved" his car without any harm, however I'm pretty sure that his rear tires were "finished".

    Instead of trying to stabilize the car after the pretty weird approach to that curve (which actually isn't really understeer in my opinion but the result of braking too late and just slipping straight forward), this funny guy keeps his foot fully on the throttle like a maniac.
    He could have stabilized the car pretty easily by just gently reducing throttle and do the rest with the steering.

    I saw such driving style pretty often, I call it the "brainless" driving style. These are people who don't have a real feel for the car and try to stay on the track at any cost by using brutal power and playing around with the steering.

    The art of track driving is not to burn rubber or do spectacular (in this case: FUNNY) drifts but to find the ideal driving line to be able to drive around the track at a pretty decent speed without loosing control.

    What fun is it if you need a set of new rear tires after a track event? Or if you destroy or damage your car?

    Oct 19, 2004 1:26:11 AM

    Ron (Houston)M
    Rennteam Moderator
    Ron (Houston)
    Loc: Houston, TX , United States
    Posts: 8812, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 10, 2002
    Reply to: Bilal

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    Man
    The driver must be a professional, I mean a professional patient at the local mental hospital .

    Oct 19, 2004 1:26:11 AM

    Ron (Houston)M
    Rennteam Moderator
    Ron (Houston)
    Loc: Houston, TX , United States
    Posts: 8812, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 10, 2002
    Reply to: Bilal

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    Man
    The driver must be a professional, I mean a professional patient at the local mental hospital .

    Oct 19, 2004 12:46:02 PM

    J.Seven
    Rennteam Master
    J.Seven
    Loc: Estoril , Portugal
    Posts: 3201, Gallery
    Registered on: Sep 16, 2002
    Reply to: Ron (Houston)M

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    He was all over the place

    Oct 19, 2004 12:46:02 PM

    J.Seven
    Rennteam Master
    J.Seven
    Loc: Estoril , Portugal
    Posts: 3201, Gallery
    Registered on: Sep 16, 2002
    Reply to: Ron (Houston)M

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    He was all over the place

    Oct 19, 2004 5:37:59 PM

    iia
    Pilot
    iia
    Loc: Canada
    Posts: 342, Gallery
    Registered on: Aug 24, 2004
    Reply to: Bilal

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    I'll be scare if I'm the Porsche driver behind.

    Oct 19, 2004 5:37:59 PM

    iia
    Pilot
    iia
    Loc: Canada
    Posts: 342, Gallery
    Registered on: Aug 24, 2004
    Reply to: Bilal

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    I'll be scare if I'm the Porsche driver behind.

    Oct 19, 2004 10:55:01 PM

    TopherV
    Veteran
    TopherV
    Loc: Orange County, Southern California
    Posts: 1121, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 29, 2003
    Reply to: iia

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    This guy must have no no knowledge about
    taking a line or letting off the throttle

    Oct 19, 2004 10:55:01 PM

    TopherV
    Veteran
    TopherV
    Loc: Orange County, Southern California
    Posts: 1121, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 29, 2003
    Reply to: iia

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    This guy must have no no knowledge about
    taking a line or letting off the throttle

    Nov 10, 2004 11:45:29 AM

    palenimbus
    Expert
    palenimbus
    Loc: Baden-Württemberg, Germany
    Posts: 1824, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 6, 2004
    Reply to: TopherV

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    I cant get it to download, can anyone provide a seperate link?

    Nov 10, 2004 11:45:29 AM

    palenimbus
    Expert
    palenimbus
    Loc: Baden-Württemberg, Germany
    Posts: 1824, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 6, 2004
    Reply to: TopherV

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    I cant get it to download, can anyone provide a seperate link?

    Nov 11, 2004 1:10:00 AM

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany
    Posts: 59602, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 26, 2002
    Reply to: palenimbus

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    Quote:
    danny828 said:
    I cant get it to download, can anyone provide a seperate link?



    I'm afraid the link is dead. I bet there was too much traffic and the video has been removed from the server.
    Videos use a lot of bandwidth and create a lot of traffic.
    Some people have their own webserver with 50 GB traffic included and they don't know (or didn't read the fine print) that they have to pay up to one USD or even more for each additional GB over the 50 GB. If somebody is hosting a video with 20 MB length and several thousand internet users are downloading it, you can imagine what happens. Ouch, expensive experience.

    Nov 11, 2004 1:10:00 AM

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany
    Posts: 59602, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 26, 2002
    Reply to: palenimbus

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    Quote:
    danny828 said:
    I cant get it to download, can anyone provide a seperate link?



    I'm afraid the link is dead. I bet there was too much traffic and the video has been removed from the server.
    Videos use a lot of bandwidth and create a lot of traffic.
    Some people have their own webserver with 50 GB traffic included and they don't know (or didn't read the fine print) that they have to pay up to one USD or even more for each additional GB over the 50 GB. If somebody is hosting a video with 20 MB length and several thousand internet users are downloading it, you can imagine what happens. Ouch, expensive experience.

    Nov 11, 2004 9:57:49 AM

    Bilal
    Expert
    Bilal
    Loc: Manchester, UK
    Posts: 1533, Gallery
    Registered on: Jun 20, 2003
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    I admit it, I'm a leecher. if I see a Merc video, I have to make sure everybody I know sees it

    Danny, if you give your email via PM, I can "try" and send you the video.

    Nov 11, 2004 9:57:49 AM

    Bilal
    Expert
    Bilal
    Loc: Manchester, UK
    Posts: 1533, Gallery
    Registered on: Jun 20, 2003
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: The idiots guide to driving an E55 round a track. VIDEO

    I admit it, I'm a leecher. if I see a Merc video, I have to make sure everybody I know sees it

    Danny, if you give your email via PM, I can "try" and send you the video.
     
    Edit

    Forum

    1. All 

    Boards

     
    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 5/15/24 8:44 AM
    art.italy     		803200 1808
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 4/7/24 11:48 AM
    Boxster Coupe GTS     		448562 565
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022 3/12/24 8:28 AM
    DJM48     		266121 323
    Porsche Sticky The new Macan: the first all-electric SUV from Porsche 1/30/24 9:18 AM
    RCA     		90056 45
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Taycan 2024 Facelift 3/15/24 1:23 PM
    CGX car nut     		6588 50
    Porsche The moment I've been waiting for... 2/1/24 7:01 PM
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    		 885699 1364
    Porsche 992 GT3 7/23/23 7:01 PM
    Grant     		833247 3868
    Porsche GT4RS 4/21/24 11:50 AM
    mcdelaug     		399596 1454
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 2/10/24 4:43 PM
    nberry     		395802 1526
    Others Tesla 2 the new thread 12/13/23 2:48 PM
    CGX car nut     		382684 2401
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 7/3/23 12:30 PM
    Porker     		370843 797
    Porsche Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour 5/12/24 6:23 PM
    blueflame     		293485 669
    Porsche Collected my 997 GTS today 10/19/23 7:06 PM
    CGX car nut
     
     
     
     
     
    		 265611 812
    Lambo Huracán EVO STO 7/30/23 6:59 PM
    mcdelaug     		243957 346
    Lotus Lotus Emira 6/25/23 2:53 PM
    Enmanuel     		238580 101
    Others Corvette C8 10/16/23 3:24 PM
    Enmanuel     		222236 488
    Others Gordon Murray - T.50 11/22/23 10:27 AM
    mcdelaug     		173074 387
    Porsche Back to basics - 996 GT3 RS 6/11/23 5:13 PM
    CGX car nut     		144908 144
    BMW M 2024 BMW M3 CS Official Now 12/29/23 9:04 AM
    RCA     		121064 303
    Motor Sp. 2023 Formula One 12/19/23 5:38 AM
    WhoopsyM     		111586 685
    Porsche 2022 992 Safari Model 3/7/24 4:22 PM
    WhoopsyM     		85594 239
    AMG Mercedes-Benz W124 500E aka Porsche typ 2758 2/23/24 10:03 PM
    blueflame     		75808 297
    Porsche 992 GT3 RS 3/3/24 7:22 PM
    WhoopsyM     		54859 314
    Motor Sp. Porsche 963 5/14/24 7:53 AM
    Porker     		26428 247
    Ferrari Ferrari 296 GTB (830PS, Hybrid V6) 1/21/24 4:29 PM
    GT-Boy     		21715 103
    BMW M 2022 BMW M5 CS 4/8/24 1:43 PM
    Ferdie     		20163 140
    AMG G63 sold out 9/15/23 7:38 PM
    Nico997     		17081 120
    AMG [2022] Mercedes-AMG SL 4/23/24 1:24 PM
    RCA     		14431 225
    Motor Sp. 24-Hour race Nürburgring 2018 5/25/23 10:42 PM
    Grant     		11520 55
    Porsche Porsche Mission X Hypercar 12/3/23 8:52 AM
    996FourEss     		11194 63
    124 items found, displaying 1 to 30.