Sep 23, 2004 2:06:17 AM
- CarreraGtRacer
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Sep 23, 2004 8:15:21 AM
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Re: Porsche 989?
According to a recent interview to Harm Lagaay (sorry if spelling is incorrect), Porsche Chief Designer just retired, the 989 project was completely defined and approved, but it was stopped for financial reasons.
Too high costs of production would have mean an "out of market" final selling price.
Money saved were then turned into the 986 (Boxster) project.
Too high costs of production would have mean an "out of market" final selling price.
Money saved were then turned into the 986 (Boxster) project.
Re: Porsche 989?
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GM Austin said:
That is an attractive car. I hope the upcoming sedan looks as good.
You must be kidding. All that is, is a stretched 911. That must have taken about 10 minutes after lunch to "design". Hideous is my thought. I prefer another GT as the 998, but if they come up with a really cool original design for a sedan that would be ok as long as it has the v-10.
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Re: Porsche 989?
that was just a prototype, and like racerx said, it was basically a stretched 911.
today, the market for this type of car is very different with much more competition.
the car would have to have at least a v10 or v8 pushing 400++ HP to be competitive with maser's quattroporte, the m5, e55amg
and if they were shooting for an even higher/more limo-like market, it would have to compete against the S55amgs...
anyways the market is much more competitive today especially in this uber german sedan segment
but hey, people seem to eat up whatever porsche makes, like the cayenne for example.
cant wait to see the laundry list of problems when this car comes out.
today, the market for this type of car is very different with much more competition.
the car would have to have at least a v10 or v8 pushing 400++ HP to be competitive with maser's quattroporte, the m5, e55amg
and if they were shooting for an even higher/more limo-like market, it would have to compete against the S55amgs...
anyways the market is much more competitive today especially in this uber german sedan segment
but hey, people seem to eat up whatever porsche makes, like the cayenne for example.
cant wait to see the laundry list of problems when this car comes out.
Sep 23, 2004 5:48:50 PM
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Re: Porsche 989?
Carrera GT Racer, the 989, I'm paraphrasing from "Excellence was Expected" here. The 989 was conceived by Ulrich Bez, it was going to be a front engined, rear drive car powered by a 3.6L newly designed 80 degree water cooled double overhead cam chain driven V8 with 4 valves per cylinder. Competing with this new engine was the "Indy V8" HP ranges were from approx 320-350 with a 3.3 to 3.6L motor. Turbocharging was considered as well as a Tiptronic and PDK transmission. Wheelbase was to be 111.3 inches. Lower profits and higher than estimated costs finally killed the deal. Interestingly the current CEO of PAG was a prime factor in this decision from a cost point of view.
It is a fascinating story into Porsche's inner politics.
Some obvious design features made it to the 993, however.
It is a fascinating story into Porsche's inner politics.
Some obvious design features made it to the 993, however.
Sep 23, 2004 10:02:41 PM
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Re: Porsche 989?
Don,
do you know in which years the car was developed?
Of course there are several design items of the 993 and 996 - since those were the cars Harm Lagaay designed. I'd say he did a really good job on those cars, just as on the Boxster! I don't think we have to favour the prototype's design and I don't even expect this would've been the final design. Anyhow, it is worth a thought how this car would've developed!
By the way, where would the engine be placed on that car? I recall some Porsche technicians talking about future models and engines a couple of while ago and the even now recirculating comments about a V8 engine in the rear-engined Porsches were an issue back then!
Greetings!
do you know in which years the car was developed?
Of course there are several design items of the 993 and 996 - since those were the cars Harm Lagaay designed. I'd say he did a really good job on those cars, just as on the Boxster! I don't think we have to favour the prototype's design and I don't even expect this would've been the final design. Anyhow, it is worth a thought how this car would've developed!
By the way, where would the engine be placed on that car? I recall some Porsche technicians talking about future models and engines a couple of while ago and the even now recirculating comments about a V8 engine in the rear-engined Porsches were an issue back then!
Greetings!
Oct 2, 2004 1:15:37 AM
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Oct 2, 2004 2:21:45 AM
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Re: Porsche 989?
As much as I would like to see Porsche "fast" sedan, I think it would be a mistake to make a streched 911. I also think that if such sedan has a competitive to 911 itself pricing it will eat large part of 911 sales, opposite may be to Cayenne as I see it more complimentary to 911...
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