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Apr 22, 2016 7:53:51 AM
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Super Darius
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Apr 22, 2016 7:57:35 AM
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Re: 918 latest news
atomic80:Just chilling in my backyard
Oh boy...what did I do? 
The feet challenge...I should put a copyright on this. 
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Re: 918 latest news
As mentioned before, Porsche had 6 campaigns outstanding for my car. The most serious one was for a potential rubbing of the coolant hose.
But first, here is a shot of the engine.
In order to re-route the hose, the car needed to be strip down to this:
This shot shows how low the engine is, basically hip height in relation to a sitting passenger in the car.
Anyway, here is the offending hose:
The recall instructs the tech to strip the car down to and drill and bond this little stud on the firewall so a clip can be installed to re-route the hose.
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pgouveia:It's amazing your atittude to describe this issues in a super car like 918.....cheers for you.
Any idea if the other two, LF and P1, have issues of any type?
once again....you rock
thanks
Being that all 3 of these cars only have a few hundred examples and that most never even get driven, I'm sure they do, but may never be known.
I imagine the only reason we see this on the 918 is because Whoopsy shares it.
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DJM48:Nick
How many hours of labour for that particular recall campaign?
David
It is supposed to be spec-ed as a 30hr job. Normally 2 weeks in and out as the parts can only be ordered once the car is in the shop and scanned in. Those cannot be pre-ordered.
My tech did it in a day and change. All because he already did the update on 2 and has taken my car apart so many times that he basically memorized all the torque spec on the bolts.
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pgouveia:It's amazing your atittude to describe this issues in a super car like 918.....cheers for you.
Any idea if the other two, LF and P1, have issues of any type?
once again....you rock
thanks
Well thanks.
It is still a car, sometimes owning one of these is not always glamourous. I actually don't see these as negative, I actually thinks this is good, that the manufacturers stand by their product and continuing updating/improving/correcting what's wrong with the car. One of the 6 campaigns was for replacing the Porsche Car Connect module from a 3G unit to a LTE unit.
Of course the other 2 will have the same issues with running recalls/campaigns, but those owners are too embarrassed to talk about their cars' 'problems'. A P1 for example actually have just about the same campaigns as a 918 since new.
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Whoopsy:DJM48:Nick
How many hours of labour for that particular recall campaign?
David
It is supposed to be spec-ed as a 30hr job. Normally 2 weeks in and out as the parts can only be ordered once the car is in the shop and scanned in. Those cannot be pre-ordered.
My tech did it in a day and change. All because he already did the update on 2 and has taken my car apart so many times that he basically memorized all the torque spec on the bolts.
With all the recalls, is Porsche, or should I say VAG, in Veyron halo car lack of profitability territory in your view?
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The first Veyron was just an ego car for Piech, it wasn't even close to being profitable. The current one however is.
I think the 918 is borderline profitable. It was when Porsche set the list price. But that's just academic, the 918 was a show case of what Porsche can do, or will do in the future. Basically everything they learn on the 918 will be transferred to the regular lineup.
The hybrid system is one, they used that on the Cayenne/Panamera. Steering wheel design is also in their main lineup now. Other stuff will also migrate eventually, so the cost of developing the 918 will pretty much drop as time goes on.
The recall campaigns cost are sort of small. Most are just software updates that doesn't take much time. No major parts needed to be replaced so material cost is also minimal. This long one takes a long time, but concurrently the tech can update the other stuff while doing this, so time cost ran parallel. 30hr or less, 918 cars, it comes to less than $5 mil.
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crayphile:RC:Next stop...911 Turbo.
and then Mission E
Mission E won't be a hybrid but some of it's tech may make it to the next gen Panamera.
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Mission E is not a hybrid but still will have the electric side of the hybrid system.
Porsche now has plenty of experiences tuning the electric side of the hybrid system, especially the performance side with the 918 and 'fuel economy' side with the Panamera/Cayenne. The 800V system is new territory but that's for the better for the performance of the batteries.
And plenty more experiences from the 919 racing program.
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Whoopsy:Mission E is not a hybrid but still will have the electric side of the hybrid system.
Porsche now has plenty of experiences tuning the electric side of the hybrid system, especially the performance side with the 918 and 'fuel economy' side with the Panamera/Cayenne. The 800V system is new territory but that's for the better for the performance of the batteries.
And plenty more experiences from the 919 racing program.
To be clear I was not referring to the hybrid element - more the electric motors and interior interfaces etc etc
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Whoopsy:Mission E is not a hybrid but still will have the electric side of the hybrid system.
Porsche now has plenty of experiences tuning the electric side of the hybrid system, especially the performance side with the 918 and 'fuel economy' side with the Panamera/Cayenne. The 800V system is new territory but that's for the better for the performance of the batteries.
And plenty more experiences from the 919 racing program.
Nice to see Porsche seeing the light and daring introducing full electric concept. 15 years from now hybrid will just be an orphan technology for almost all passenger cars.
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SciFrog:
Nice to see Porsche seeing the light and daring introducing full electric concept. 15 years from now hybrid will just be an orphan technology for almost all passenger cars.
All electric is the future, but for super and hyper cars hybrid is the only acceptable option for a long period of time. So, I think, that you are wrong... 
May 18, 2016 5:36:08 PM
- EnglishManInNY
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Re: 918 latest news
Boyko23:SciFrog:
Nice to see Porsche seeing the light and daring introducing full electric concept. 15 years from now hybrid will just be an orphan technology for almost all passenger cars.
All electric is the future, but for super and hyper cars hybrid is the only acceptable option for a long period of time. So, I think, that you are wrong...
They might be the last one to go electric due to the battery size requirements, but they will go too...
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Have ordered the R as a long term keeper.
In 20 yrs will I have the same trouble finding a service station with 98 octane the same way the current electric car owners struggle to locate charging points now?
WIll range anxiety be an issue for ICE owners in the future?!!! 
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DJM48:Have ordered the R as a long term keeper.
In 20 yrs will I have the same trouble finding a service station with 98 octane the same way the current electric car owners struggle to locate charging points now?
WIll range anxiety be an issue for ICE owners in the future?!!!
For Germany (or actually most parts of Europe, with the exception of some Scandinavian countries maybe) I do not see a major "electrification" of cars within the next 10 years. ELVs will remain a luxury item for the time being. This could change with new charging technology (waiting 20 minutes for a full charge, which is already fast, is unacceptable...it needs to happen in the same speed as fueling up a petrol car), lower prices and improved technology. Also, if energy prices rise and get close to fuel levels, people won't switch easily. Judging by the whole anti-nuclear paranoia in Germany, I do not see how energy is going to stay "cheap" (especially since it is already too expensive compared to the US for example, in some regions 2-3x more expensive).
In 20 years? Still can't see it. I can see lots of hybrids though.
In 30 years? Maybe, depends on the technology. Also, if BMW and Mercedes or other major manufacturers decide to go with hydrogen fuel vehicles, this could also be a game changer. Or maybe a completely new technology?
I think that the breakthrough for electric cars could come with an highly improved and cheaper battery technology. I do not think this is going to happen within the next 10 years though, it will take time and new technologies. Charging an ELV battery to 100% capacity (or 99% ) in three minutes tops without the risk for an explosion or overheating would be fantastic.
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RC:Charging an ELV battery to 100% capacity (or 99%
The current density in the charging connector gets to be an issue for fast fill-ups, even if the battery/super-capacitor technology is improved to take fast charges (very, very low internal resistance).
Maybe investing in room-temperature super conductor firms would be a wise investment 
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