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    Aug 24, 2004 5:11:12 PM

    Ron (Houston)M
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    Re: F430 - OFFICIAL Pictures Available and Tech Info!!!

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    In F1 they have all this but in separate buttons/nobs for independent setting posibilities but that would be too complicated for a street car. Just my guess though.



    Now they can use this technology in their F1 cars and call it F430 derived technology.
    No more push of separete buttons switch relays do magic .

    Aug 24, 2004 5:43:06 PM

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    @ crayphile

    I wrote that - its off the Italiaspeed site. Ironically all the info came from this forum.

    Made a mistake in it though - its the revcounter, not the speedo which is yellow / red

    Aug 24, 2004 6:38:41 PM

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    It would be actually very interesting to know how it works.



    According to AMS the selector changes characteristics for ESP, electronic dampers, locking differential and gearbox. The later of course only if the F1 system is ordered.

    Aug 24, 2004 7:40:28 PM

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    Re: F430 - OFFICIAL Pictures Available and Tech Info!!!

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    Quote:
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    It would be actually very interesting to know how it works.



    According to AMS the selector changes characteristics for ESP, electronic dampers, locking differential and gearbox. The later of course only if the F1 system is ordered.



    I would be surprised if traditional 6-speed manual is even offered on 430, given all these "F1"-oriented features...

    Aug 24, 2004 7:55:20 PM

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    I would be surprised if traditional 6-speed manual is even offered on 430, given all these "F1"-oriented features...



    It is offered, though I am also curious about sales figures. I am quite happy that they provide the choice of options though!

    Aug 24, 2004 8:26:39 PM

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    Technical specifications (from owner`s site)

    Dimensions
    Length: 4,512 mm (177.6")
    Width: 1,923 mm (75.7")
    Height: 1,214 mm (47.8")
    Wheelbase: 2,600 mm (102.4")
    Front track: 1,669 mm (65.7")
    Rear track: 1,616 mm (63.6")
    Kerb weight: 1,450 kg (3,197 lbs)

    Engine
    Type: 90* V8
    Bore x stroke: 92 x 81 mm (3.50 x 3.03 in)
    Individual cylinder capacity: 538.5 cc (32.86 cu in)
    Total displacement: 4,308 cc (262.89 cu in)
    Compression ratio: 11.3:1
    Maximum power: 360.4 kW (490 hp*) @ 8,500 rpm
    Maximum torque: 465 Nm (47.4 kgm/343 lbs/ft) @ 5,250 rpm
    Specific power output: 114 hp (*) per litre

    Performance
    Top speed: over 315 km/h (195 mph)
    0-100 km/h (0-62 mph): 4.0 secs


    * For homologation purposes, engine power is expressed in kW in accordance with the
    International System of Units (SI) using horse power ratings. The brake horse power equivalent can
    be calculated by using the following multiplication: 1 kW = 1.34 bhp.



    Per F's website, 360 curb wt is 3064 lbs and 360CS is 2822 lbs. Did 430 (@ 3197 lbs per above) gain 133lbs in this iteration?

    Aug 24, 2004 9:02:06 PM

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    Re: F430 - OFFICIAL Pictures Available and Tech Info!!!

    Thanks, RC.

    What's the switch on the lower left of the wheel? I would think that location would be an awkward place, unless it's thumb-activated.

    Dain

    Aug 24, 2004 9:33:15 PM

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    Thanks, RC.

    What's the switch on the lower left of the wheel? I would think that location would be an awkward place, unless it's thumb-activated.

    Dain



    "Engine start". Pressing a button will be at least as ergonomic as twisting an ignition key.

    Aug 25, 2004 4:04:56 AM

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    Looking at the photo Ron, those look like too many settings for just a rear differential locking rates, i.e. those are more than what a just differential can have an effect on, Snow, Wet, Sport, Track, and "something" OFF.
    Leads me to think it also changes the setting of the Traction Control (ASR) or the electronic stability system (PSM equivalent) if it has one, and also F1 gearbox shifting maps. Managing all that would then be able to taylor the cars dinamics for Snow, Wet, Sport, Track, and Track with ASR/PSM OFF. In F1 they have all this but in separate buttons/nobs for independent setting posibilities but that would be too complicated for a street car. Just my guess though.



    Yes Carlos, I think that's right I like the fact that there's still a step beyond "Race" where you can turn off the electronics totally

    Aug 25, 2004 5:42:10 PM

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    Personally, I am not impressed with:

    1) The exterior which is still no match for the beauty of a 355. If they wanted to emulate the Enzo, they should have given an Enzo-like nose as well to complete the package.

    2) The F1 gearbox shift time of 150 milliseconds is too slow compared to BMW's gearboxes. The E60 M5 supposedly has a max. shift speed of 65 milliseconds.

    3) Ferrari still doesn't have the confidence to give us a 9000 rpm redline.

    4) I see no mention of safety advances.

    However, I am thankful they are still offering the choice of a manual while BMW is trying its best to force SMG down our throats.

    Aug 25, 2004 9:23:07 PM

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    the car looks even greater than i expected!!

    ah, i'm so excited

    can't wait for Q3 / 05



    hey my friend. Here is a little gift for you I would go for the same colour if I get it new.



    and here is in black

    Aug 25, 2004 9:26:51 PM

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    3) Ferrari still doesn't have the confidence to give us a 9000 rpm redline.





    How many 4-liter plus motors are there on the market with a redline over 8500? I can't think of any, but I assume you have some in mind...

    Gary

    Aug 25, 2004 9:49:00 PM

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    The new M5's V10 was advertised at first with a 9k redline as well, but now its down to 8.300 RPM.

    Aug 25, 2004 11:19:26 PM

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    The new M5's V10 was advertised at first with a 9k redline as well, but now its down to 8.300 RPM.



    I love cars that rev, but isn't the redline one of the things that separates a race motor that needs to be rebuilt every 40 hours with a street motor that will run 150,000 miles without a rebuild? So I'm not really disappointed when the redline is a bit lower than some astronomical number because I'm sure that there was a reason for it.

    Aug 26, 2004 7:44:30 AM

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    wow wow wow...im spechless..you cant stop staring it..you cant even take one mistake out of it..gorgeous

    Aug 26, 2004 8:07:45 AM

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    Re: F430 - OFFICIAL Pictures Available and Tech Info!!!

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    Managing all that would then be able to taylor the cars dinamics for Snow, Wet, Sport, Track, and Track with ASR/PSM OFF. In F1 they have all this but in separate buttons/nobs for independent setting posibilities but that would be too complicated for a street car.



    "to taylor the cars dinamics for Snow" is possible in a F1-car? don't believe you...

    Aug 26, 2004 1:31:25 PM

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    Can anyone confirm the F 430 has an F50-style adjustable suspension button to lift the front?

    Aug 26, 2004 1:56:03 PM

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    That would be interesting, car seems to be very low, the specs say it is 2 cm lower than the 360 (and 3.5 cm longer BTW).

    Aug 27, 2004 1:51:03 AM

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    Can anyone confirm the F 430 has an F50-style adjustable suspension button to lift the front?



    That button is on the Enzo.
    And I thought I read that the F430 has it.
    It wouldn't need it as badly as the Enzo does
    becauase the Enzo's nose is so long though.

    Aug 27, 2004 12:16:40 PM

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    didn't hear anything of hight adjustable suspensions.

    This is something whats only to get in the Lambo's!

    L@rs

    Aug 27, 2004 1:35:19 PM

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    didn't hear anything of hight adjustable suspensions.

    This is something whats only to get in the Lambo's!

    [Email]L@rs[/Email]



    If 430 is indeed 2cm lower than 360, F is asking for a marketing failure if 430 doesn't have height adjustment feature

    Aug 27, 2004 10:32:13 PM

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    didn't hear anything of hight adjustable suspensions.

    This is something whats only to get in the Lambo's!

    [Email]L@rs[/Email]



    Yeah from what I have heard the Murci's REALLY could use it.
    The F430 has a short nose, so low or not, if your careful you should be okay.

    Aug 28, 2004 7:17:30 AM

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    Only Murcielago has it and not on Gallardo, right?

    Aug 28, 2004 10:40:36 PM

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    Only Murcielago has it and not on Gallardo, right?



    No, the Murci NEEDS it, neither one has it.

    Aug 31, 2004 2:07:54 PM

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    Both is wrong.

    The Murcie comes with it as standard, the Gallardo can be ordered next year with it (thats what the dealer told me, while testdriving the Gallardo).

    L@rs

    Aug 31, 2004 2:25:04 PM

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    Cool! Now if only I can get confirmation that the F 430 will indeed has it..

    Aug 31, 2004 3:17:32 PM

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    Again: what says dhayek???

    Aug 31, 2004 3:18:17 PM

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    Seems to be mixed info out there re: 430 specs....I've heard wt and height essentially unchanged from 360....also have seen specs showing 430 being 133 lbs heavier and 1" lower than 360. If 430 dimensions essentially unchanged from 360, I would argue height adjustment is not needed. Just got 360CS which seems to have much better ground clearance than previous 360 Coupe and Spider (all used on SF's steep hills)....which in turn scrape far less frequently than SF-incompatible Gallardo....I suspect the 19" wheels of CS give it that extra clearance vs non-CS 360, making it downright commuter-friendly....

    Aug 31, 2004 3:24:09 PM

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    Ground clearance of late 360s is no problem at all, 355 e.g. was.

    Aug 31, 2004 4:19:56 PM

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    I've sent Dhayek a message. Waiting for his reply..
     
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