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Apr 23, 2008 12:00:03 AM
- Atzporsche
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Apr 23, 2008 2:32:54 AM
- MKW
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Yeah , let's keep pumping billions of gov't subsidy dollars into the Midwest corn belt/ethanolE85 speculator economy while it helps to drive up world wide food commodity prices . Soy based fuel is the E85 equiv in Brazil. Worldwide hunger has many world leaders from India to Indonesia to Africa concerned of mass social breakdown where up to 80 % (and rising) of income is needed to put the next meal in mouths, while here in the US we are growing corn to put into Flex Fuel Escalades and C6R racers . 
Apr 23, 2008 2:33:53 AM
- Moogle
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I think it is very likely they will build a cayman RS/clubsport as a mid engine club racing car until the next supercar comes (which is becoming harder to imagine in this age of environmental preservation mongering, bah).
But it will not be as hardcore as the options available aftermarket.
For example the RUF cayman/911 hybrid thing. If porsche made this for $250,000 usd~ it would preserve the value of both 911 and CGT owners without compromising either niche. It would also give ferrari/am dbs/etc quite a challenger.
But it will not be as hardcore as the options available aftermarket.
For example the RUF cayman/911 hybrid thing. If porsche made this for $250,000 usd~ it would preserve the value of both 911 and CGT owners without compromising either niche. It would also give ferrari/am dbs/etc quite a challenger.
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Yeah , let's keep pumping billions of gov't subsidy dollars into the Midwest corn belt/ethanolE85 speculator economy while it helps to drive up world wide food commodity prices . Soy based fuel is the E85 equiv in Brazil. Worldwide hunger has many world leaders from India to Indonesia to Africa concerned of mass social breakdown where up to 80 % (and rising) of income is needed to put the next meal in mouths, while here in the US we are growing corn to put into Flex Fuel Escalades and C6R racers .
I was advocating a proper powerplant in a Cayman S, not the fuel type. I agree E85 does not make sense if produced out of corn and agricultural farms; it makes sense though if produced from broad cellulosic materials, a la Coskata.
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On a side note, given that food production is relatively hard to (ahem) grow +
*increasing population outstripping food production
*expontially increasing (and litigation enforced) demand for eco friendly fuels based on wheat products/etc.
All of this creates a nice opportunity to buy soft commodities
Malthus was right AFTER all.
*increasing population outstripping food production
*expontially increasing (and litigation enforced) demand for eco friendly fuels based on wheat products/etc.
All of this creates a nice opportunity to buy soft commodities
Malthus was right AFTER all.
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On a side note, given that food production is relatively hard to (ahem) grow +
*increasing population outstripping food production
*expontially increasing (and litigation enforced) demand for eco friendly fuels based on wheat products/etc.
All of this creates a nice opportunity to buy soft commodities
Malthus was right AFTER all.
"*increasing population outstripping food production" -- NOT TRUE.
What's going on is eco-politically-driven-opportunism distorting production. Easy to fix.
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"*increasing population outstripping food production" -- NOT TRUE.
What's going on is eco-politically-driven-opportunism distorting production. Easy to fix.
Please refer to this thread:
http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=434320&page=&fpart=all&vc=1
Apr 23, 2008 7:25:14 AM
- Atzporsche
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Re: The car PAG should be offering...
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Moogle said:
On a side note, given that food production is relatively hard to (ahem) grow +
*increasing population outstripping food production
*expontially increasing (and litigation enforced) demand for eco friendly fuels based on wheat products/etc.
All of this creates a nice opportunity to buy soft commodities
Malthus was right AFTER all.
"*increasing population outstripping food production" -- NOT TRUE.
What's going on is eco-politically-driven-opportunism distorting production. Easy to fix.
It's a fact that world food production has out grown the global population increase in the past decade!! There's way more food per capita then in the 1950s...
think about that and then answer why so many are still starving. It's their instable politics and [beep] economy in which they rather opt to grow exporting products over food for their own nation while also being too poor to import enough food.
How can one be mad at us for growing corn for our SUVs or whatever, when these nations aren't buying the food their people need...
The food is on the shelves guys
Apr 23, 2008 12:11:54 PM
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Re: The car PAG should be offering...
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china and india are screwing themselves and us by choosing individual transportation over a mass transit only model.
A universal truism - politicians suck everywhere, there is no leadership.
You seek to deny these people their right to own a car and the freedom that brings ?
(Hate to highjack this thread, sorry guys, I was just teasing, I will stick to my area of expertise and let the crazies discuss the politics
-you guys should see the members only off-topic forum at rennlist, it gets nasty.)
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racerx said:
china and india are screwing themselves and us by choosing individual transportation over a mass transit only model.
A universal truism - politicians suck everywhere, there is no leadership.
You seek to deny these people their right to own a car and the freedom that brings ?
(Hate to highjack this thread, sorry guys, I was just teasing, I will stick to my area of expertise and let the crazies discuss the politics
He's right, actually. The world will have to invent a cleaner, more efficient mode of transport sooner or later. The Chinese have the chance to phase in urban rail transport and nip their citizens' car dependency in the bud. But they don't
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Either way you slice it, the world we knew is gone until some major breakthruough becomes commercially viable. Cheap, abundent energy is a thing of the past. (I read yesterday about oil being $3/barrel in 1970 and remember my dad paying 30./gallon)
The why could make for some long threads, mismanagement, waste, greed, stupidity, lack of leadership. Gas and oil prices will have a drastic effect on the US economy in the near future. So we, the world, have no choice but to change.
Every country should move to a mass transit system. Street cars (suburbs) feeding monorails (inner city) feeding interstate maglev's all powered by nuke/solar electricity.
If done right and you could get anywhere you wanted on clean spacious mass transit why not. Let's face it transporting oneself is for the most part a major pita and so is the maintenance of a personal peice of transportation.
The reason for this board is the fun we get out of joyriding for the thrill of the sounds and g-forces experienced on a pleasure trip out in the country not basic transportation. Most people would gladly give up their car if a true mass transit system existed.
The why could make for some long threads, mismanagement, waste, greed, stupidity, lack of leadership. Gas and oil prices will have a drastic effect on the US economy in the near future. So we, the world, have no choice but to change.
Every country should move to a mass transit system. Street cars (suburbs) feeding monorails (inner city) feeding interstate maglev's all powered by nuke/solar electricity.
If done right and you could get anywhere you wanted on clean spacious mass transit why not. Let's face it transporting oneself is for the most part a major pita and so is the maintenance of a personal peice of transportation.
The reason for this board is the fun we get out of joyriding for the thrill of the sounds and g-forces experienced on a pleasure trip out in the country not basic transportation. Most people would gladly give up their car if a true mass transit system existed.
Apr 24, 2008 1:58:45 PM
- SoCal Alan
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Re: The car PAG should be offering...
Every major metropolitan area already has mass transit.
When you move into your newly built house, would you like to see a mass transit line from your house to where your work is? Is that feasible?
I already did my part. I moved to within 1 mile of my work.
I believe that a bus system would be a more efficient form of mass transit (to supplement a light rail system).
When you move into your newly built house, would you like to see a mass transit line from your house to where your work is? Is that feasible?
I already did my part. I moved to within 1 mile of my work.
I believe that a bus system would be a more efficient form of mass transit (to supplement a light rail system).
Apr 24, 2008 2:21:19 PM
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California lawmakers were grilling a state enviromental official yesterday on why state employees in San Diego were putting regular gas in their GM Flex Fuel( Food Fuel) state owned vehicles instead of E85. ( it was a sweetheart expediant PR deal for the Gov and GM pr folks last year ) . It was pointed out to the state senators that there is only one E85 station in all of San Diego ( probably somewhere you wouldn't want to go even with an armed escort ) ! Politic$$ as u$ual. 
Apr 24, 2008 2:22:36 PM
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Every major metropolitan area already has mass transit.
You can't be serious Alan.
The only cities I have experienced with barely viable mass transit are NYC, London, Paris, Boston, Amsterdam, and San Fran. And those are crowded and less than perfect. (sorry, have not been to germany or scandinavia yet)
Where is the mass transit in LA? Are there tracks running down Sunset that I missed?
A system I descibed as functional mass transit means walking out of a store on a major city street and hopping on a streetcar (San Fran) and going to your next destination. No major walking distances, no waiting a half hour for the next car etc.
The best system is London.
In my land search/home building odyssey I am looking out in the country roughly 15 miles or so from city center. (my previous land deal ended when I realized I was being mislead). There is absolutely ZERO public transportation here in greenville.
Yes I would like to have modern public transport available but that is not reality in most of the US. WE ARE SO ROYALLY SCREWED IF HIT WITH A MAJOR OIL INTERRUPTION!
Apr 24, 2008 2:35:33 PM
- SoCal Alan
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SoCal Alan said:
Every major metropolitan area already has mass transit.
You can't be serious Alan.
Depends on what you want. Not everyone wants rail (above ground/below ground). Not everyone wants to ride it. Not everyone wants it everywhere. It is massively expensive to build and to operate. It is always subsidized. What city can afford to spend that much money on that level of rail.
Anyways, what's wrong with buses? They have absolute flexibility in terms of capacity and routes. They could be electrically powered. They have virtually no startup costs.
Anyways, this should be an off-topic thread. I'm done.
Apr 24, 2008 2:59:34 PM
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racerx said: ... The best system is London...
While I totally agree with you, racerx, that mass public transportation is absolutely essential in major cities (like NYC, London, Paris etc), there is no way our public transport system here in London is the best.
We don't have trams in London (except for Croydon and Bromley in South East London). We have buses (which are cheap but slow). Our trains are overcrowded, expensive and often delayed. We also have the London Underground (aka the Tube).
It's by far the most expensive underground public transport system in the world representing very poor value. It's dirty, smelly, hot (no a/c of any kind) and horribly overcrowded. It is often delayed with all sorts of technical problems bringing an entire line to a halt at any moment. You can tell I hate it! I have stood for 30 minutes on the Northern Line with my face in someone's smelly armpit so many times that I try to avoid using the London Underground like it's a disease! In fact, a former Tory Minister for Transport, Stephen '5 girlfriends at the same time' Norris (who is also a former used car salesman), once said it was a horrible system for people that couldn't afford to use a car. You can imagine the kind of media storm those comments provoked.
My personal favourite is the Paris Metro. Runs 24/7, very cheap, very regular trains with an extensive network that reaches everywhere. My only small complaints are the lack of escalators and lifts for disabled passengers. It's an old system with mainly staircases.
Rome just makes me laugh. Only 2 lines on their metro!! Try catching a bus. You have to buy a ticket from a tobacconist which you then validate onboard the bus. But if the tobacconist has sold out of tickets for that day, you just have to walk!!
Amsterdam is great. Trams and bicycle routes everywhere. But I don't like their 'strippenkart' system where you have to buy a 10 journey strip card. It's cheap but inflexible.
Barcelona has a great system. Clean, cheap, fast, reliable. Why? Because it's much more recently built. I think it was made in time for the 1992 Olympics they hosted.
Many German cities have a superb public transportation system: a combination of buses, trams, elevated trains (S Bahn) and underground trains (U Bahn). It's fast, clean, v cheap and it works.
From a functional perspective, as you would expect, the German system is probably the best. But, it's a bit charmless
That's why I love the Paris Metro more. Late at night, there's some guy playing an accordion in one of the corridors connecting one line to another. Ahhh, what can one say? The French just have a certain way of doing things. It's never the most rational way but somehow it just works.
Having said all that, in the past 10 years, London has replaced NYC as the financial centre of the world. There is now so much money here that it's become a fantastic place to live and work if you can afford it. I take it for granted but then, when I travel to other places, I realise just how much London now has going for it. Many people still have an outdated view of London but it's changed enormously since Blair came to power in 1997.
Apr 24, 2008 3:44:39 PM
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I agree with what you say easy.
It just seemed to me that London had the most amd most conveniently located stations. Sometimes a confusing maze underground when you have to walk up and over etc.
Paris was by far the most beautiful and some cars go from underground to elevated track.
The ideal would be San Fran style streetcars on every major street with a monorail on the outskirts excuse for pics;
It just seemed to me that London had the most amd most conveniently located stations. Sometimes a confusing maze underground when you have to walk up and over etc.
Paris was by far the most beautiful and some cars go from underground to elevated track.
The ideal would be San Fran style streetcars on every major street with a monorail on the outskirts excuse for pics;
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