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Re: Very well
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996AD said:
not really .. both of these cars are better than 997 in acceleration, corvette even better on track
Oh darn! Why didn't somebody tell me!? Not fair! Maybe I can bring my car back for a full refund! I could have gotten a "better value."
Oh, here's a nice Utube document if you like "proof" from ball-bustin' drag races:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ovdN-v0C0
enjoy.
Re: Very well
The new rumored hp numbers are IMHO perfectly adequate for the weight of the car vs the competition. To blow them away, the car need to be even lighter which won't happen before 2011, if it ever happens.
But if you feel you need less weight you can get the GT3, and more hp there is the TT, best of both: get the GT2
Want more luxury: get an Aston Vantage.
Want more of a bargain: get a Corvette or a GT-R.
But if you feel you need less weight you can get the GT3, and more hp there is the TT, best of both: get the GT2
Want more luxury: get an Aston Vantage.
Want more of a bargain: get a Corvette or a GT-R.
Re: Very well
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996AD said:
not really .. both of these cars are better than 997 in acceleration, corvette even better on track
Oh darn! Why didn't somebody tell me!? Not fair! Maybe I can bring my car back for a full refund! I could have gotten a "better value."
Oh, here's a nice Utube document if you like "proof" from ball-bustin' drag races:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ovdN-v0C0
enjoy.
you have no idea about cars do you??
that was Z06 against TT and modified
im talking about regular ZR1 vs 997s
and no need to return your imaginary car and get refund.. just keep dreaming
Less would be better
I think there's way more fun to be had on a 911 with smaller engine, lighter body, and much narrower tires. Something like an early 1970's 911 is a blast to drive. The pity is it lacks all the safety goodies we want in a car today.
I actually don't want more power in a 911 - I want more ability as a driver to make better use of what I have. "Lord give me time for more track days" Actually ANY track days would be great.
I don't believe I'm alone; and when people say they need more power (as in an M3 or Zo6) then a lot of that comes down to doing straight line runs down the highway out dragging their mates. It doesn't take a lot of skill particularly if you have a flappy puddle gear-box. The real test of whether the car is fast enough is the track, and an even bigger test of one's own ability to drive that car close to the limits it's capable of.
I actually don't want more power in a 911 - I want more ability as a driver to make better use of what I have. "Lord give me time for more track days" Actually ANY track days would be great.
I don't believe I'm alone; and when people say they need more power (as in an M3 or Zo6) then a lot of that comes down to doing straight line runs down the highway out dragging their mates. It doesn't take a lot of skill particularly if you have a flappy puddle gear-box. The real test of whether the car is fast enough is the track, and an even bigger test of one's own ability to drive that car close to the limits it's capable of.
Re: 997 facelift vs competitors
The (385hp) facelifted 911S will have a better power to weight ratio than the E92 M3, get much better gas mileage, have no gg tax, better brakes, steering, looks (subjective or blind 
) and far better driving dynamics.
You will likely see 400 something with x51. We will not get 400hp as a base 911S.
) and far better driving dynamics.
You will likely see 400 something with x51. We will not get 400hp as a base 911S.
Apr 15, 2008 6:45:13 PM
- 69bossnine
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Re: 997 facelift vs competitors
While accusations of "not knowing about cars" are being tossed around, let's not forget that the upcoming ZR-1 is currently rated at 620hp, not 436hp... The 436 figure is for the run-of-the-mill C6 corvette with performance exhaust option...
And the Z06 is rated at 505hp..
If you're going to have an online debate, at least get your cars straight from the get-go...
BTW, I agree, I could use more power in my 997S... Then again, I could also use more money in my bank account, and more acres in my yard...
My grandfather used to love to say, "you can wish in one hand, and sh** in the other..."
And the Z06 is rated at 505hp..
If you're going to have an online debate, at least get your cars straight from the get-go...
BTW, I agree, I could use more power in my 997S... Then again, I could also use more money in my bank account, and more acres in my yard...
My grandfather used to love to say, "you can wish in one hand, and sh** in the other..."
Apr 15, 2008 7:44:18 PM
- Modrocket_stereo
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Re: Very well
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996AD said:
you have no idea about cars do you??
that was Z06 against TT and modified
im talking about regular ZR1 vs 997s
and no need to return your imaginary car and get refund.. just keep dreaming
There is nothing regular about the ZR1. If you mentioned C6 then I would be willing to understand where you are coming from but ZR1 and 997S (facelift) is absurd.
Apr 15, 2008 7:49:45 PM
- 69bossnine
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Re: Very well
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MMD said:Quote:
996AD said:
not really .. both of these cars are better than 997 in acceleration, corvette even better on track
Oh darn! Why didn't somebody tell me!? Not fair! Maybe I can bring my car back for a full refund! I could have gotten a "better value."
Oh, here's a nice Utube document if you like "proof" from ball-bustin' drag races:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ovdN-v0C0
enjoy.
you have no idea about cars do you??
that was Z06 against TT and modified
im talking about regular ZR1 vs 997s
and no need to return your imaginary car and get refund.. just keep dreaming
I know what you were talking about.
Go figure out which is the "better" car for yourself and buy it.
I did and nobody's gonna psych me out by making a silly comment like you did.
TT vs. Z06 as a drag race is my silly statement meant to psych you out.
Just goofing with you. Sorry that wasn't clearer, my bad.
Apr 15, 2008 9:03:31 PM
- 996AD
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Re: 997 facelift vs competitors
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While accusations of "not knowing about cars" are being tossed around, let's not forget that the upcoming ZR-1 is currently rated at 620hp, not 436hp... The 436 figure is for the run-of-the-mill C6 corvette with performance exhaust option...
And the Z06 is rated at 505hp..
If you're going to have an online debate, at least get your cars straight from the get-go...
BTW, I agree, I could use more power in my 997S... Then again, I could also use more money in my bank account, and more acres in my yard...
My grandfather used to love to say, "you can wish in one hand, and sh** in the other..."
why every time i want to talk about 997s people get money enveloped in this.. i swear money is not an issue for me at all.. but im really anxious to see 997s slower than competitors like C6 and M3
Re: 997 facelift vs competitors
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i don't think i insulted anyone here.. Im trying to discuss wether 997s competing in it's class or in the bottom
Insulting? Nah..., don't worry about it (too much
).
Seriously, I'm not sure which class the 997/S is in. From the outset, no other mfgr would do. I wasn't shopping for a hot car and checked them all out and the decided on the Porsche. I wanted a ballsy sedan for airport runs and went out and bought an M3. Who actually comparison shops? Maybe guys hope for the Porsche but decide on something else? I dunno. For a road car I never thought Porsche had members in it's class. Seriously... .
Re: Very well
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996AD said:Quote:
MMD said:Quote:
996AD said:
not really .. both of these cars are better than 997 in acceleration, corvette even better on track
Oh darn! Why didn't somebody tell me!? Not fair! Maybe I can bring my car back for a full refund! I could have gotten a "better value."
Oh, here's a nice Utube document if you like "proof" from ball-bustin' drag races:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ovdN-v0C0
enjoy.
you have no idea about cars do you??
that was Z06 against TT and modified
im talking about regular ZR1 vs 997s
and no need to return your imaginary car and get refund.. just keep dreaming
You don't seem to have that big an idea about cars either...
You're putting the ZR-1 as a 997S rival, a 600+hp car vs. 380hp???
I'm sure you just meant the regular C6 Corvette, but you shouldn't insult other people when making mistakes yourself
Apr 16, 2008 1:53:58 PM
- 69bossnine
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Re: 997 facelift vs competitors
Another thread attempting to compare apples to apricots...
I like ALL of the cars mentioned above, at their own merits, which indeed can include price which I'll always believe (no matter how much dough you're rolling in) is a VALID consideration...
If money were no object when pondering purchases, and the merits of products, then I could conclude that all of our cars stink, all of our houses stink, and all of our clothes stink, because there's MUCH BETTER available if we just write bigger checks...
In the end, the ratio of value that works for you eventually blends into your purchase. If you're Fortune 500 wealthy, it's a razor-thin blend...
But price and value are always valid, unless you're spoiled and of the thought that your good fortune is un-assailable and will never be stolen or worthless.
I got what I paid for in my 997S, and I'd really like one of those new ZR-1's, and believe if I buy one, I'll REALLY get what I paid for in that car...
I like ALL of the cars mentioned above, at their own merits, which indeed can include price which I'll always believe (no matter how much dough you're rolling in) is a VALID consideration...
If money were no object when pondering purchases, and the merits of products, then I could conclude that all of our cars stink, all of our houses stink, and all of our clothes stink, because there's MUCH BETTER available if we just write bigger checks...
In the end, the ratio of value that works for you eventually blends into your purchase. If you're Fortune 500 wealthy, it's a razor-thin blend...
But price and value are always valid, unless you're spoiled and of the thought that your good fortune is un-assailable and will never be stolen or worthless.
I got what I paid for in my 997S, and I'd really like one of those new ZR-1's, and believe if I buy one, I'll REALLY get what I paid for in that car...
Apr 16, 2008 2:16:41 PM
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Re: 997 facelift vs competitors
On the money issue? Except for fantastically rich (>us$500 mil) everybody has a lifestyle and a budget. If you're shopping for private aircraft you have Honda Jet or Lear Jet (us$4 v. us$13 mil). There's _always_ people with more money to spend than you. So just buy what you want _within_ your budget. In that sense Porsche has no competition in the USA. I guess you can save some money and get the Nissan or the Vette, but what if you don't _want_ the Nissan or the Vette? Not spoiled or elitist, it's just getting what you want (*they*are*all*good*cars*) without overspending and being stupid.
It has to do with who you hang around with too. If you like imported beer, you buy it. Where I come from nobody criticizes you for not buying the local domestic stuff. I guess if ever I wind up homeless and on the street, there will be people around me who think I'm a true ah for spending so much on German beer.
It has to do with who you hang around with too. If you like imported beer, you buy it. Where I come from nobody criticizes you for not buying the local domestic stuff. I guess if ever I wind up homeless and on the street, there will be people around me who think I'm a true ah for spending so much on German beer.
Apr 16, 2008 2:36:49 PM
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Re: 997 facelift vs competitors
The point of not comparing apples to oranges is well taken.
Although the 997 is a sportscar and not a GT, it does race as a GT and therefore must "compete" (in that environment)against other GT cars.
Although many of you are not necessarily track junkies (or even appreciate racing), Porsche does make a tidy sum from its Motorsport Division.
Given this, Porsche does need to keep an eye out for its competitiveness in the Hp war, as they do need to have a relatively high horsepower engine that can be homolgated in order to race. (current rules for GT2 only allow certain amount of modification)
Although the 997 is a sportscar and not a GT, it does race as a GT and therefore must "compete" (in that environment)against other GT cars.
Although many of you are not necessarily track junkies (or even appreciate racing), Porsche does make a tidy sum from its Motorsport Division.
Given this, Porsche does need to keep an eye out for its competitiveness in the Hp war, as they do need to have a relatively high horsepower engine that can be homolgated in order to race. (current rules for GT2 only allow certain amount of modification)
Apr 16, 2008 2:45:16 PM
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Re: 997 facelift vs competitors
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Although many of you are not necessarily track junkies
Oh...., shi*..., you are right..., oops..., I gotta keep my elaborate pontifications in the proper context: I'm just talking consumer buyer retail street and highways cars. Geez..., sorry.
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