Mar 19, 2008 4:49:23 PM
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Looking good! Perhaps lowering it 1/2 to 1 inch would look even better .
It would but it's just not a option for where I live/drive & how much I will use the car.
Mar 19, 2008 4:56:06 PM
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I know, thats what I heard re: UK OPC's. How about some pics I just came across.
Mar 19, 2008 5:41:26 PM
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I know, thats what I heard re: UK OPC's. How about some pics I just came across.
Evil looking car man. BTW if you should ever want to change your wheel lug bolts to black, I would suggest ceramic coating them. It's durable and inexpensive ($60 in Seattle).
Mar 19, 2008 5:47:17 PM
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Looking good! Perhaps lowering it 1/2 to 1 inch would look even better .
It would but it's just not a option for where I live/drive & how much I will use the car.
The Bilstein Damptronics coil overs will dramatically improve the ride. You could also lower it just a skosh without having to worry much about clearance issues.
As for ECU reflashing, I found in the fine print that because I can only get 92 octane gas where I live that I would only realize a 40 HP increase in power. Yes, the reflash would allow returning the ECU mapping to a stock setting and be transparent to dealer diagnostics. The fly in the ointment is if there is a major warranty claim the ECU would be sent back to Porsche NA, and there they would be able to determine that it had been modified. ALL BETS OFF!
That nixed for me. I paid for an extended warranty, so adding that cost plus the $3500 for the reflash and the risk/reward just wasn't worth it for me.
Mar 19, 2008 7:24:38 PM
Mar 20, 2008 4:35:17 AM
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Chris, you really have a problem with accepting other people's opinions don't you? Well, I'm not going to comment further on this matter because I know exactly where it's going to go.
Gregg, that's the nice thing about those coilovers. You can have them adjusted to stock height and benefit from the improved handling characteristics. If you ever think that your handling needs improvement, then you know what I'd suggest. Damptronics of course.
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GT - I 'would' agree about the customized tuning but I haven't found a tuner who could do so without disconnecting the front wheel drive system first to do the 'wheel' dyno analysis. If there was someone who could do a customized map on an 'engine' dyno then I would be all over it.
Also, do you really want to get 100% power out of your car? Surely this would significantly shorten its life-span.
Lastly, I know there is a big risk in losing your Porsche warranty - but I don't see the difference between doing an ECU upgrade straight away or waiting after the warranty runs out.
Surely either way, if the car's engine is going to blow up after the ECU flash you are going to have to pay for it whenever that is. So I don't see the point in waiting if that is your intention. It's like waiting for the facelift 997, just get one now and start enjoying!!
I myself did decide to wait until I had run in my engine - to check there wasn't any major issues with stock before I did the re-map.
Oh, and I personally would only have gone with Ruf, RS-Tuning or Manthey.
Alex, I think the point he was making was that it would be prudent to wait, so that if there are any factory defects in the drivetrain, the warranty will cover them, as they usually appear early on. You would get majorly screwed if the engine would have blown anyway, but Porsche denied your warranty, based on you reflashing the ECU. Not a problem with you since you've had it for some time, but on a new car, this is significant.
I think I'm coming to my senses. It would be kind of dumb to throw out a drive-train warranty on a $180k car, especially during the first couple of years. I'm going to wait and see what tuners develop, take my time & see what happens with different tuning packages, see if one stands out as being the best/ most reliable & enjoy my car for a while & the piece of mind of a warranty. Maybe when the warranty is closer to expiring by then it will be worth the risk but it would be foolish for me to do an ECU now, it's not like I need the extra power for racing. The exhaust & plenum is as far as I want to go. Thanks for the comments, this is a very interesting thread.
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GT - I 'would' agree about the customized tuning but I haven't found a tuner who could do so without disconnecting the front wheel drive system first to do the 'wheel' dyno analysis. If there was someone who could do a customized map on an 'engine' dyno then I would be all over it.
Also, do you really want to get 100% power out of your car? Surely this would significantly shorten its life-span.
Lastly, I know there is a big risk in losing your Porsche warranty - but I don't see the difference between doing an ECU upgrade straight away or waiting after the warranty runs out.
Surely either way, if the car's engine is going to blow up after the ECU flash you are going to have to pay for it whenever that is. So I don't see the point in waiting if that is your intention. It's like waiting for the facelift 997, just get one now and start enjoying!!
I myself did decide to wait until I had run in my engine - to check there wasn't any major issues with stock before I did the re-map.
Oh, and I personally would only have gone with Ruf, RS-Tuning or Manthey.
Alex, I think the point he was making was that it would be prudent to wait, so that if there are any factory defects in the drivetrain, the warranty will cover them, as they usually appear early on. You would get majorly screwed if the engine would have blown anyway, but Porsche denied your warranty, based on you reflashing the ECU. Not a problem with you since you've had it for some time, but on a new car, this is significant.
I think I'm coming to my senses. It would be kind of dumb to throw out a drive-train warranty on a $180k car, especially during the first couple of years. I'm going to wait and see what tuners develop, take my time & see what happens with different tuning packages, see if one stands out as being the best/ most reliable & enjoy my car for a while & the piece of mind of a warranty. Maybe when the warranty is closer to expiring by then it will be worth the risk but it would be foolish for me to do an ECU now, it's not like I need the extra power for racing. The exhaust & plenum is as far as I want to go. Thanks for the comments, this is a very interesting thread.
As I was reading this thread I kept say WTF Thank God you have come around. What you were contemplating at this time wasn't one of your better moments.
Mar 21, 2008 2:00:40 AM
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Chris, you really have a problem with accepting other people's opinions don't you? Well, I'm not going to comment further on this matter because I know exactly where it's going to go.
Gregg, that's the nice thing about those coilovers. You can have them adjusted to stock height and benefit from the improved handling characteristics. If you ever think that your handling needs improvement, then you know what I'd suggest. Damptronics of course.
Mar 21, 2008 2:45:12 AM
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Chris, you really have a problem with accepting other people's opinions don't you? Well, I'm not going to comment further on this matter because I know exactly where it's going to go.
Gregg, that's the nice thing about those coilovers. You can have them adjusted to stock height and benefit from the improved handling characteristics. If you ever think that your handling needs improvement, then you know what I'd suggest. Damptronics of course.
Really Jason, you're the one who keeps jabbing at me. I could care less what you do with your car, but if somebody asks something that I have experience with(esp track) and can answer, I will, like it or not. I'm finished.
Gregg, nice car once again, can't believe you got a good deal at Legend, good for you. That was not my experience with them, you must know MS better than me!
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I still think exhaust and plenum is plenty enough for Porsche to invalidate your warranty anyway.
So I don't see the difference myself. As soon as you change just one thing I think the can of worms is already wide open...
For example, I had a senior Porsche guy tell me that changing even the exhaust, changes the back-pressure, which 'can' mess up the engine. He said as soon as you change any component then you would almost certainly lose the whole warranty unless you could prove conclusively that the mod wasn't to blame (which is very hard to do).
- this is one of the reasons why I wanted an ECU map that had been developed in conjunction with the exhaust mod.
Guess it's different for different places but the exhaust & plenum wouldnt effect warranty work where as the ECU definitely will. Had this conversation w/ my Porsche dealer (w/ the owner of the dealership) when he installed my exhaust & plenum.