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Nov 5, 2007 11:26:39 PM
- Friscorays
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Re: GTR Review by Motor Trend...
I love the photographer trying to be diplomatic when asked what he thinks about the looks: "Divided on the looks... I think it will grow on me... at first sight its not so pleasing."
I would gladly put up with a higher coefficient of drag if they could have improved the looks.
The door latch mechanism looks to be "borrowed" from the Aston Martin DB9 and V8 Vantage.
I would gladly put up with a higher coefficient of drag if they could have improved the looks.
The door latch mechanism looks to be "borrowed" from the Aston Martin DB9 and V8 Vantage.
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so fugly...
+1. Painful to the eye your right...
I mean, can't they hire a DESIGNER? This looks like nothing...
This coming from a Porsche owner?
Why would anyone buy a Porsche when you can buy this car? Price, performance, quality and looks, this car hands down spanks Porsche.
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It just occured to me whilst watching that video who the real target market of this car is. M3 owners! Think about it. Similar pricing, similar style (2+2 coupe), just as ricey (!), and quick. M3 owners mainly buy their car for the speed and the practicality, and this car offers the same thing. I can't see too many of us 911 (because of loyalty more than anything!), Aston, Ferrari, Lambo owners ditching our cars for one of these. Sure we may buy one in addition to our more exotic machines, but certainly not as a replacement.
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Jeannot said:
so fugly...
+1. Painful to the eye your right...
I mean, can't they hire a DESIGNER? This looks like nothing...
This coming from a Porsche owner?
Why would anyone buy a Porsche when you can buy this car? Price, performance, quality and looks, this car hands down spanks Porsche.
Why would anyone buy a Ferrari ?
If you think this car looks better than ANY Porsche ever produced, I rest my case...
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Jeannot said:Quote:
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Jeannot said:
so fugly...
+1. Painful to the eye your right...
I mean, can't they hire a DESIGNER? This looks like nothing...
This coming from a Porsche owner?
Why would anyone buy a Porsche when you can buy this car? Price, performance, quality and looks, this car hands down spanks Porsche.
Why would anyone buy a Ferrari ?
If you think this car looks better than ANY Porsche ever produced, I rest my case...
Limited production, styling and resale value. Sadly, today, spending over a hundred thousand dollars for performance alone is a stupid waste of money.
Nov 6, 2007 4:19:19 PM
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Re: GTR Review by Motor Trend...
With the growing number of build Ferrari's every following year, i would say that the Italians are learning a lot from Porsche and follow their steps... Not to mention the new markets and new (cheap) Ferrari's... 
In two words: Ferrari are going to the hill, from which the Germans are coming back!
In two words: Ferrari are going to the hill, from which the Germans are coming back!
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With the growing number of build Ferrari's every following year, i would say that the Italians are learning a lot from Porsche and follow their steps... Not to mention the new markets and new (cheap) Ferrari's...
In two words: Ferrari are going to the hill, from which the Germans are coming back!
Don't forget all the puma race gear, home stereo equipment and of all things, segways, Ferrari is splashing their name on. I will agree that Ferrari is a more exclusive name currently than porsche but they are going the way of Pierre Cardin if they aren't careful.
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Jeannot said:
so fugly...
+1. Painful to the eye your right...
I mean, can't they hire a DESIGNER? This looks like nothing...
This coming from a Porsche owner?
Why would anyone buy a Porsche when you can buy this car? Price, performance, quality and looks, this car hands down spanks Porsche.
Why would anyone buy a Ferrari ?
If you think this car looks better than ANY Porsche ever produced, I rest my case...
Limited production, styling and resale value. Sadly, today, spending over a hundred thousand dollars for performance alone is a stupid waste of money.
I have to admit you got me confused now, are you comparing Porsche vs. Ferrari or GTR vs. Porsche?. Because if the latest, if for you the GTR is better from the point of view of 'limited production', 'styling', and 'resale value' than Porsche...it really became a funny thread.
There are customers for GTRs, p-cars, f-cars, and I do not think the last two overlap with the first category...
Sadly, you do not seem to understand than SOME customers buy Porsches for what they are: great sports car that can be driven everyday. From track to snow to shopping, they can do all of that. The GTR probably too. But is FUGLY beyond imagination.
What is exclusivity? To have to wait for a car for a year after placing order?
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nberry said:Quote:
Jeannot said:Quote:
ResB said:Quote:
Jeannot said:
so fugly...
+1. Painful to the eye your right...
I mean, can't they hire a DESIGNER? This looks like nothing...
This coming from a Porsche owner?
Why would anyone buy a Porsche when you can buy this car? Price, performance, quality and looks, this car hands down spanks Porsche.
Why would anyone buy a Ferrari ?
If you think this car looks better than ANY Porsche ever produced, I rest my case...
So you think the Cayenne and the 924 are better looking than the GT-R?
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The new GT-R is what the Z06 was for the sports car world a couple years ago. A sports car that is amazing, eats cars double the price, has cutting edge technology, but is made by a common name mass produced car manufacturer whom is not particularly know for high performance or buidling world class sports cars...
So while both cars have 911TT/430 beating performance, neither will be on the "to buy" list of many Porsche/Ferrari customers no matter how cheap.
But that is OK, because cars like the Z06/GT-R are for people who want to experience "world class" performance, and have accepted they will NEVER afford their dream car 430/599/GT3RS, but refuse to let that hold them back.
I will say, as a Z06 owner, I can relate to the GT-R buyer in many ways, and it is a blast going to the race track and passing all the cars above. For once you get to have your cake and eat it too!
So while both cars have 911TT/430 beating performance, neither will be on the "to buy" list of many Porsche/Ferrari customers no matter how cheap.
But that is OK, because cars like the Z06/GT-R are for people who want to experience "world class" performance, and have accepted they will NEVER afford their dream car 430/599/GT3RS, but refuse to let that hold them back.
I will say, as a Z06 owner, I can relate to the GT-R buyer in many ways, and it is a blast going to the race track and passing all the cars above. For once you get to have your cake and eat it too!
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Jeannot said:Quote:
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Jeannot said:
so fugly...
+1. Painful to the eye your right...
I mean, can't they hire a DESIGNER? This looks like nothing...
This coming from a Porsche owner?
Why would anyone buy a Porsche when you can buy this car? Price, performance, quality and looks, this car hands down spanks Porsche.
Why would anyone buy a Ferrari ?
If you think this car looks better than ANY Porsche ever produced, I rest my case...
So you think the Cayenne and the 924 are better looking than the GT-R?
Well, the Cayenne is a SUV so I did not count that one. 924 did not hurt my eyes at the time, it just did not age well.
Wanna bet how we will look at the GTR in 20 years from now?
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Some cars age very well.
I count myself very lucky today, I am in North Italy and I went to the port city Genova.
Just before I left I saw a purple Diablo which is rare to see but then I saw driving right behind
the Lamborghini was an immaculate Ferrari F40.
I got a good look because the lights went red, even 20 years after it's debut it still looks absolutely stunning.
I count myself very lucky today, I am in North Italy and I went to the port city Genova.
Just before I left I saw a purple Diablo which is rare to see but then I saw driving right behind
the Lamborghini was an immaculate Ferrari F40.
I got a good look because the lights went red, even 20 years after it's debut it still looks absolutely stunning.
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Some cars age very well.
I count myself very lucky today, I am in North Italy and I went to the port city Genova.
Just before I left I saw a purple Diablo which is rare to see but then I saw driving right behind
the Lamborghini was an immaculate Ferrari F40.
I got a good look because the lights went red, even 20 years after it's debut it still looks absolutely stunning.
Yes, the Diablo and F40 look timeless. I doubt we will be able to say the same about the GT-R, no matter how good (and I have no doubt that it's good).
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Let me try to help you understand.
The GTR is a mainstream car. Most car enthusiast can afford it. Likewise, the Porsche 911 is a mainstream car afforadable to just about every car enthusiast. Thus, sales for the 911 are at a all time high and they are everywhere.
The 911 styling has not changed in forty years and has became a joke among car reviewers i.e. Porsche closed its styling dept. 40 yeears ago, the the 911 today looks like a retro joke.
The GTR is new and has performance parameters which apparently far exceed the 911 at a cheaper price point.
Ferrari and Lambo are in the upper echelon tier of cars. Their brand is considered exclusive, expensive and highly sought after. Though not the fastest, they command (particularly Ferrari) higher prices because of limited production, sex appeal and sensory overload.
Ferrari owners understand that performance is not the only measure of a car. We also understand that a high performance car should not be a daily car for obvious reasons known to everyone except Porsche owners. Even Porsche acknowledged this when they introduced the Cayenne.
The GTR is a mainstream car. Most car enthusiast can afford it. Likewise, the Porsche 911 is a mainstream car afforadable to just about every car enthusiast. Thus, sales for the 911 are at a all time high and they are everywhere.
The 911 styling has not changed in forty years and has became a joke among car reviewers i.e. Porsche closed its styling dept. 40 yeears ago, the the 911 today looks like a retro joke.
The GTR is new and has performance parameters which apparently far exceed the 911 at a cheaper price point.
Ferrari and Lambo are in the upper echelon tier of cars. Their brand is considered exclusive, expensive and highly sought after. Though not the fastest, they command (particularly Ferrari) higher prices because of limited production, sex appeal and sensory overload.
Ferrari owners understand that performance is not the only measure of a car. We also understand that a high performance car should not be a daily car for obvious reasons known to everyone except Porsche owners. Even Porsche acknowledged this when they introduced the Cayenne.
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Nick, Let me try to help you understand.
The GTR is not a mainstream car. It will be available to dealers in limited quantities, buyers will pay chump second stickers and insurance companies will demand extra proctology fees.
Most car enthusiasts cannot afford it. (the exception being many Rennteamers apparently)
The GTR is new. Its performance on paper approaches a 911, but in reality with its much higher weight it is unlikely to match or exceed it.
Ferrari and Lamborghini do occupy the upper market of sports cars, but at 2 to 4 times the price of a 997, they should! They do provide a more sensory aural experience. But with their way higher price and sexy looks, leaving one alone and out of sight in a parking lot is cause for concern.
Some Ferrari owners understand some things and some don't.
But most of them would understand Porsche's value proposition of a class leading lower priced (relatively)high performance sports car suitable for driving daily in all weather conditions.
I dont know why you keep comparing the price and ownership cache of a market priced slightly used $229,000.00 F430 coupe to the features, availability and price of a New $130,000.00 997TT. There is a bigger universe of buyers for a 997TT price car than for cars at Ferraris prices. So why worry about Porsche's sales volume.
And is anyone standing in line to order a Ferrari 612? And has anyone accused the 599 of being pretty?
The GTR is not a mainstream car. It will be available to dealers in limited quantities, buyers will pay chump second stickers and insurance companies will demand extra proctology fees.
Most car enthusiasts cannot afford it. (the exception being many Rennteamers apparently)
The GTR is new. Its performance on paper approaches a 911, but in reality with its much higher weight it is unlikely to match or exceed it.
Ferrari and Lamborghini do occupy the upper market of sports cars, but at 2 to 4 times the price of a 997, they should! They do provide a more sensory aural experience. But with their way higher price and sexy looks, leaving one alone and out of sight in a parking lot is cause for concern.
Some Ferrari owners understand some things and some don't.
But most of them would understand Porsche's value proposition of a class leading lower priced (relatively)high performance sports car suitable for driving daily in all weather conditions.
I dont know why you keep comparing the price and ownership cache of a market priced slightly used $229,000.00 F430 coupe to the features, availability and price of a New $130,000.00 997TT. There is a bigger universe of buyers for a 997TT price car than for cars at Ferraris prices. So why worry about Porsche's sales volume.
And is anyone standing in line to order a Ferrari 612? And has anyone accused the 599 of being pretty?
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Why would anyone buy a Ferrari ?
If you think this car looks better than ANY Porsche ever produced, I rest my case...
So you think the Cayenne and the 924 are better looking than the GT-R?
Well, the Cayenne is a SUV so I did not count that one.
Well, you did say "ANY Porsche ever produced"
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Wanna bet how we will look at the GTR in 20 years from now?
About the same as I look at a 1987 911 slant nose now
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[quote They do provide a more sensory aural experience. But with their way higher price and sexy looks, leaving one alone and out of sight in a parking lot is cause for concern.
Actually in Australia the opposite is true.
I was reading an article in a magazine about Australian business people and their exotic cars.
One of them collects Ferrari's and Lamborghini's and he said that when he had Porsches
he could not leave them anywhere as people would always damage them.
He said that in the many years that he has owned the Italian exotics they have never been
damaged.
Actually in Australia the opposite is true.
I was reading an article in a magazine about Australian business people and their exotic cars.
One of them collects Ferrari's and Lamborghini's and he said that when he had Porsches
he could not leave them anywhere as people would always damage them.
He said that in the many years that he has owned the Italian exotics they have never been
damaged.
Nov 7, 2007 3:08:21 PM
- Modrocket_stereo
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Re: GTR Review by Motor Trend...
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And is anyone standing in line to order a Ferrari 612? And has anyone accused the 599 of being pretty?
I'll give you that. The 612 and 599 are not exactly pretty cars. Now, after looking at Haudimal's post of older Ferrari cars recently question the looks of modern Ferraris. The cars stick out but I do not get the same emotion that I get when I look at the 575M and the 250GT SWB.
Back to the GT-R. It does look like it has a big arse. Kind of like J-Lo but chisled rather than feminine. I think Nissan is being overly ambitious with its figures but maybe not. Sometimes there is a time when a car just bends pyshics a bit as tire and chassis technologies advance.
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The GT-R is only limited to the extend that dealerships purchasing new equipment to service the car.
At about $65,000, the car is affordable given leasing and other finance plans. The Mustang is now near $50,000 if you purchase Rousch/Shelby models.
The performance at the Ring beats every Porsche except the CGT and 997GT2. It's 0-60 time of 3.5 beats them all.
So why would anyone buy a Porsche given they are both middle class cars?
At about $65,000, the car is affordable given leasing and other finance plans. The Mustang is now near $50,000 if you purchase Rousch/Shelby models.
The performance at the Ring beats every Porsche except the CGT and 997GT2. It's 0-60 time of 3.5 beats them all.
So why would anyone buy a Porsche given they are both middle class cars?
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