CloseThis may be of interest, and as it relates to the last Porsche supercar it is sort of on topic... a CGT owner documents a major service on his car, total is ~£20,000. Interesting given the work Whoopsy documents on his 918...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=230&t=1804897
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4trac:This may be of interest, and as it relates to the last Porsche supercar it is sort of on topic... a CGT owner documents a major service on his car, total is ~£20,000. Interesting given the work Whoopsy documents on his 918...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=230&t=1804897
That was only for the service. The transmission was another 20,000.
When I was picking up my RS last year, they had a CGT up on a lift being serviced. The service manager told me it would cost about $25,000 for the routine maintenance.
There is nothing stronger than gentleness.
Apr 23, 2019 1:27:21 PM
Apr 23, 2019 1:32:44 PM
the-missile:Whoopsy:5.4k for a brake job is cheap!
My F12 brake job was 12k and they didn't even replace the rotors, it was just pads and rotor cleaning.
LOL, cleaning with gold blowers
More like all the drilled holes on the carbon rotors are packed with pad material and needed to be cleaned out one by one.
Apr 23, 2019 6:35:44 PM
Whoopsy:5.4k for a brake job is cheap!
My F12 brake job was 12k and they didn't even replace the rotors, it was just pads and rotor cleaning.
Now you know why while I could afford to get a F12, maintenance would probably kill me financially. 😩
Had the chance to get an Aventador S (new model) with only 3000 km for 300k EUR. After I asked about maintenance and insurance cost, I decided to stick with my glorified R8. 😛😉
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For the rennteamers who can read german. A very intresting article on hyper cars. The conclusion is that basscily all hyper cars are "crap" expect for the Porsche 918. The Mercedes Project One is postponed to 2021 because of develpment issues with the motor. The Aston Martin Valkerin project seems to have long delays because of all kind of problems.
Aug 6, 2019 6:58:34 PM
We knew that for the longest time already 
The 918 has technology to transfer to the general public, while other 'hypercars' are just show off pieces.
The Porsche 918 is what forced McLaren to add hybrid to the P1.
The 918 kick starts the performance hybrid era. So one can have the performance of a sports car yet stay green and environmentally friendly around town. It also lowers the gas consumption to satisfy governments around the world.
Ferrari will be adding hybrids to their 'normal' sports cars thanks to Porsche.
BiTurbo:Whoopsy:Ferrari will be adding hybrids to their 'normal' sports cars thanks to Porsche.
The real pressure is coming from EU ETS, Porsche is like a puppy dog and complies immediately.
And Porsche didn't have to do it back then. They just did it to prepare for the future.
They could have kept the car pure ICE like McLaren initially did with the P1.
Aug 7, 2019 8:59:41 PM
Whoopsy:BiTurbo:Whoopsy:Ferrari will be adding hybrids to their 'normal' sports cars thanks to Porsche.
The real pressure is coming from EU ETS, Porsche is like a puppy dog and complies immediately.
And Porsche didn't have to do it back then. They just did it to prepare for the future.
They could have kept the car pure ICE like McLaren initially did with the P1.
Always thought the 918 came about because of Porsche's entry in the WEC.
Aug 8, 2019 1:27:40 AM
CGX car nut:Whoopsy:BiTurbo:Whoopsy:Ferrari will be adding hybrids to their 'normal' sports cars thanks to Porsche.
The real pressure is coming from EU ETS, Porsche is like a puppy dog and complies immediately.
And Porsche didn't have to do it back then. They just did it to prepare for the future.
They could have kept the car pure ICE like McLaren initially did with the P1.
Always thought the 918 came about because of Porsche's entry in the WEC.
Porsche didn't decide to enter the WEC LMP1 Hybrid class until 2011, the 918 project was well underway by then.
Porsche's decision to do the 918 was made back in 2009.
The tech knowledge gained on the 918 helped them with the 919 Hybrid actually.
And since the 919 uses 800V system, that tech is filtered down back to the road cars via the Mission-E platform.
Aug 8, 2019 12:36:20 PM
crayphile:Whoopsy:Porsche's decision to do the 918 was made back in 2009.The tech knowledge gained on the 918 helped them with the 919 Hybrid actually.
Do you think it is safe to buy one now that the warranty has run out? How many recall campaigns di the cars have in the end?
Give or take, ~8.
Sounds bad but it really isn't. Couple of them were for tidying up wires, another 2 more were for rear suspension pieces and I believe the later one supersede the first. Another one for front suspensions but that's only for early cars. and I think 1 or 2 more that was also for early cars, including one for the charging system, specifically the charge port. But Porsche did the running fix on the production line, so it's more like an inspection notice, pretty much all the campaigns are for early cars.
Campaigns actually don't quite matter, as Porsche has to fix those are of charge anyways.
The most important thing is actually the service, specifically the 4th year service. A lot of the consumables are time specific, not mileage, so even if a car is't driven those still needed to be replaced.
If you find a 'runner', more than likely it's been to the workshop and serviced and those campaigns will be done already. It's the 'sitters' that's the problem. First time you bring a 'sitter' into the workshop the PIWIS will flagged the car for missing campaigns and the car will be sitting in the shop for months if not weeks to wait for parts if those are needed.
The engine itself is bullet-proof, so is the transmission. There had only been one instance where the transmission needed to be replaced. But then again the transmission isn't 918 specific, so there. The hybrid side of things are also quite bullet-proof. No car has had either of the e-motor replaced.
Salamondrin had his 2nd 918 'lemon-ed', or tried to. In exchanged for not lemon-ing the 918, he was given, as in paid for by PCNA, a 911R which he promptly flipped. The issue at hand was his hybrid battery system. The battery was dead. Someone had drained that battery bone dry and killed it, which is a big no no.
A 918 not being driven should always be plugged in. First thing to go if not will be the 12V lithium battery that runs the 12V system in the car. It's a tiny little thing sitting right in the middle of the car at the bottom, a replacement cost around US$ 9,000. The ECU will protect the hybrid system first by cutting power to the 12V battery. So if a car has a dead 12V battery that's a sign it's been neglected.
To be honest, the running cost of a 918 is cheaper than a CGT. Porsche did design the car better for servicing so that will be cheaper. I have an early car, and I tracked it heavily yet nothing broke.
Nov 6, 2019 12:53:12 PM
Der-Schwabe:Curious..
Porsche is plotting a new hypercar - and, what's more, it could have have Formula One drivetrain. The manufacturer has reaffirmed plans to use a hybrid set-up sourced from the company's aborted attempt to re-enter F1, potentially giving a 918 Spyder successor the green light...
Nov 6, 2019 1:39:33 PM
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