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Jul 28, 2007 2:24:19 PM

br d: Co-Pilot; Loc: Essex UK; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: May 28, 2005

Turbo thoughts.

Well I've been thrashing about in a Turbo for that last few hours (I'm normally a 997S driver), it's on an extended test drive. The power and speed are incredible. Point it at a bit of straight road and step on it and it's fabulous, it just seems to be craving more speed, 30 to 100 goes by in a flash, I could do this all day! Barrelling into the bends it feels wonderfully planted - a tad undefined steering-wise but still hugely inspiring.

Unfortunately, this isn't how we drive in everyday life and for the rest of the time, YUCK!!

It's a Tiptronic you see and it is singularly awful, just my opinion of course. I got bored very quickly with flicking the gears up and down myself on the wheel, it didn't feel right and second guessing the auto gets tiresome. Once you settle into letting the gearbox take over (and you are not in a 'hurtling at the horizon' situation) it becomes utterly boring, I feel like somebody else is driving, I'm itching to just be doing something. It's very un-involving and I wont buy a Tip in a million years.
Luckily my friend is waiting for delivery of his manual and says I can take her out for a few hours. My car is already on order so I'm hoping the manual feels more alive. If not, it'll be GT3 time I think.

brad

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Jul 28, 2007 6:19:50 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: br d

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Well , FWIW from me and from what I have read from the above , ""cant you get a GT3 allocation"" . The GT3 will have that rawness to it..Turbo maybe too robotic for you ??...

Got the pm

,, talk later , bud....

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Jul 28, 2007 6:31:07 PM

br d: Co-Pilot; Loc: Essex UK; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: May 28, 2005; Reply to: throt

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Dunno Throt, the Tip is defo too robotic but I'm hoping that the manual is a different story. The GT3 apparently has a stiff clutch and needs to be thrashed to get the best out of it so it's all relative.

Considering my background, even having the gall to complain about this sort of thing is absurd. How many of us are lucky enough to have the opportunity to own these cars?

I need to STFU :-)

brad

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Jul 28, 2007 6:42:39 PM

TX 911: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 143, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2003; Reply to: br d

Re: Turbo thoughts.

It seems like whichever car people have, GT3 or Turbo, they miss the elements that the other one brings.

If you have the GT3, you miss the whip-lash inducing torque, rocket-like acceleration, and the daily-driver friendly nature of the Turbo.

If you opt for the Turbo, you miss the lighter, more raw feel, linear acceleration, and crisper handling of the GT3.

Neither one is perfect.

You just have to choose the one that meets MOST of your needs, and realize that you will miss some of the things found only in the other.

For me, Turbo with 6-speed manual, sport shifter, & LSD is as good as it gets in a single car. Actually, now that I think about it, a GT2 may be about perfect

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Jul 28, 2007 10:47:12 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: TX 911

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it should be for the price tag

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Jul 29, 2007 4:40:40 AM

sdy284: Expert; Loc: Wisconsin, USA; Posts: 1348, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2005; Reply to: TX 911

Re: Turbo thoughts.

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TX 911 said:
It seems like whichever car people have, GT3 or Turbo, they miss the elements that the other one brings.

If you have the GT3, you miss the whip-lash inducing torque, rocket-like acceleration, and the daily-driver friendly nature of the Turbo.

If you opt for the Turbo, you miss the lighter, more raw feel, linear acceleration, and crisper handling of the GT3.

Neither one is perfect.

hence the GT2

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Jul 29, 2007 11:00:43 AM

gradyex: Pilot; Loc: S.F. Bay Area, CA.; Posts: 334, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 21, 2004; Reply to: sdy284

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I think TX911 hit the nail right on the head! Each car has its pluses and minuses. I went for the Turbo myself because I am not a track guy and comfort is a big asset in a car. I also like having rear seats and I like the way the turbo looks a lot more than the GT3. Its not an easy choice coming from a 997S which itself is more direct than the turbo. The main disadvantages of the turbo is the steering/suspension setup which is a bit "funky" but one thing nice about this car is its a very mod friendly car and a few tweeks here and there and the car is much better. Want more HP? No problem, a few simple mods and you have an extra 50-60 HP. The GT3 on the other hand is "pumped up" right out of the box and extracting more HP in a NA engine is a little more involved. IMO.

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Jul 29, 2007 2:32:34 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: TX 911

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I thought about ordering the Sport Shifter but decided against it. I got so used to the stick in my 997 S that I didn't want to change that around. What do you think? I know the Sport Shifter is notchy when cold but how long does that last? It's for a TT Cab/LSD/PCCB/Sport Chrono..

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Jul 29, 2007 2:39:16 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: br d

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Sounds like you'll be happy w/ your Turbo. I don't like 911 tips either, have to have mine in 6-speed stick. Even if the PDK was available I'd still go w/ the stick.

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Jul 29, 2007 3:32:20 PM

alin2: Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 389, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 5, 2004; Reply to: STRADALE

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STRADALE said:
I thought about ordering the Sport Shifter but decided against it. I got so used to the stick in my 997 S that I didn't want to change that around. What do you think? I know the Sport Shifter is notchy when cold but how long does that last? It's for a TT Cab/LSD/PCCB/Sport Chrono..

I have the OEM sport shifter in my 997 C2S and, frankly, it's one of my favorite things. It's a bit notchy when really cold, but the precise, short throws makes shifting a pleasure. Also, IMHO, easier to heel/toe with it. I live in Chicago and even in the winter the short shifter is a pleasure.

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Jul 29, 2007 5:33:02 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: STRADALE

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I thought about ordering the Sport Shifter but decided against it.

I'm just an amateur but I would guess the SS would be good for this car. Why? Because the Tip is faster than the manual and so would seem to mean you really have to shift like a bastard to get the acceleration to match the Tip. Shorter shift would be better in this regard?

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Jul 29, 2007 6:12:27 PM

roadtrip: Veteran; Loc: new mexico, usa; Posts: 1172, Gallery; Registered on: May 31, 2006; Reply to: MMD

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i really like the factory ss in my tt..its quick and precise like the bolt of a good rifle...i think the rap on hard to shift until warmed up is waayy over done, or at least with mine...perfectly fits as an integral part of the complete tt package....imo a must have option

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Jul 29, 2007 6:18:24 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: MMD

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I thought about ordering the Sport Shifter but decided against it.

I'm just an amateur but I would guess the SS would be good for this car. Why? Because the Tip is faster than the manual and so would seem to mean you really have to shift like a bastard to get the acceleration to match the Tip. Shorter shift would be better in this regard?

The tip being faster than maunual I don't put any stock in whatsover. Why? First off - it's only faster in a straight line WHEN YOU CAN CONTROL when to launch. So basaically anytime you're against another car or a traffic light you may OR MAY NOT have the tip's RPM's in the right range to launch the car. Sure if you're alone w/ a stop watch the tip may in fact be faster but if you're not up against anything what's the point. Another thing - NO LSD w/ the tip. Plus every single test I've read is negative on the tip either it's shifting when it shouldn't or just not as involving as the manual. For me TIP is not an option I have way too much fun shifting and feeling like I'm part of creating perfomance to give that up even if it were the case tip was faster which 95% of the time (for me) it's not. For my driving anyway. As for the Sport Shifter I am un-decided. The problem I'm having is - The stock shifter is so damn good. I know there's no way the SS will help me/my car perform better. Not unless I can feel as comfortable w/ it as I do the stock shifter and I'm thinking;that probably wont ever happen. If anything it's more likely that I'll miss a shift than be an advantage over the stock shifter. But I'm still giving it some thought. In one of the turbo brochures it mentions the SS is "noticeably" stiffer until warm-up and the 1 time I drove a 997 S w/ a SS it seemed to be very notchy and found myself holding the clutch and trying to find the gear. I was wondering if the SS gets warmed up enough to be as smooth as the stock shifter & if so how long/how much driving does it take 5 miles/10? Honestly if everytime I got in my car and had to drive it like that for 20 minutes before it felt as slick as the standard shifter that it's not for me. I guess I could always add it later.

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Jul 29, 2007 6:24:45 PM

devo: Veteran; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 1107, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 31, 2006; Reply to: STRADALE

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I had the SS in my turbo and in my recent C4S. I absolutely loved the option.

On the turbo, the SS was a little more notchy when cold, but it quickly went away (less than 10 minutes) and then shifted so smooth and precisely.

On my C4S it didn't have nearly the notchy when cold feeling that the tt had, but it also had 3500 miles on the clock when I bought it.

I would order it on every Porsche from here on. Love it.

Oh...And the throws (imo) were noticably shorter.

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Jul 29, 2007 6:32:27 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: STRADALE

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Sport shifter: Definitely the stock shifter is very fine (not like 996 era shifter). I was wondering if the Sport version with it's shorter throw was some how generally faster.

Tip: It was in an Excellence review of the TT that said the Tip is more suited to the Turbo because it manages the engine's torque off the line far better than the manual.

Apparently, if you want to get the incredible/alleged 3.4 (?) seconds to 60mph, you just floor it.

Just blabbing...,

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Jul 29, 2007 7:28:47 PM

TX 911: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 143, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2003; Reply to: STRADALE

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If you can, try to go to a dealership and practice shifting with both a standard and sport shifter (which you can do without actually driving the car).

This is what I did. Afterwards, the sport shifter became an immediate "must have" for me

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Jul 29, 2007 7:46:34 PM

GT: Senior; Loc: london , United Kingdom; Posts: 618, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 14, 2006; Reply to: STRADALE

Re: Turbo thoughts.

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STRADALE said:
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MMD said:
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STRADALE said:
I thought about ordering the Sport Shifter but decided against it.

I'm just an amateur but I would guess the SS would be good for this car. Why? Because the Tip is faster than the manual and so would seem to mean you really have to shift like a bastard to get the acceleration to match the Tip. Shorter shift would be better in this regard?

The tip being faster than maunual I don't put any stock in whatsover. Why? First off - it's only faster in a straight line WHEN YOU CAN CONTROL when to launch. So basaically anytime you're against another car or a traffic light you may OR MAY NOT have the tip's RPM's in the right range to launch the car. Sure if you're alone w/ a stop watch the tip may in fact be faster but if you're not up against anything what's the point. Another thing - NO LSD w/ the tip. Plus every single test I've read is negative on the tip either it's shifting when it shouldn't or just not as involving as the manual. For me TIP is not an option I have way too much fun shifting and feeling like I'm part of creating perfomance to give that up even if it were the case tip was faster which 95% of the time (for me) it's not. For my driving anyway. As for the Sport Shifter I am un-decided. The problem I'm having is - The stock shifter is so damn good. I know there's no way the SS will help me/my car perform better. Not unless I can feel as comfortable w/ it as I do the stock shifter and I'm thinking;that probably wont ever happen. If anything it's more likely that I'll miss a shift than be an advantage over the stock shifter. But I'm still giving it some thought. In one of the turbo brochures it mentions the SS is "noticeably" stiffer until warm-up and the 1 time I drove a 997 S w/ a SS it seemed to be very notchy and found myself holding the clutch and trying to find the gear. I was wondering if the SS gets warmed up enough to be as smooth as the stock shifter & if so how long/how much driving does it take 5 miles/10? Honestly if everytime I got in my car and had to drive it like that for 20 minutes before it felt as slick as the standard shifter that it's not for me. I guess I could always add it later.

SS on 997tt is simply amazing! PCCB and SS are probably 2 of the best elements of this car especailly compared to 996tt. I promise you, you wont regret it. I can still find no disadvantages . Cant feel any difference cold vs warmed up. Albeit i've only driven the car in the summer but still it is a joy to drive..

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Jul 29, 2007 7:47:55 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: TX 911

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TX 911 said:
If you can, try to go to a dealership and practice shifting with both a standard and sport shifter (which you can do without actually driving the car).

This is what I did. Afterwards, the sport shifter became an immediate "must have" for me

Very true. I drove a 996 with B&M Shifter a while ago: was instantly sold on it.

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Jul 30, 2007 12:58:08 PM

TT Surgeon: Senior; Loc: Long Island, NY , United States; Posts: 783, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 28, 2004; Reply to: MMD

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Stradale, you can try my ss out anytime. I'm in Glen Head, drive in/out of the city daily right thru your hood.
Chris

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