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That depends on what you prefer, the 430LP and the F430 successor are two different types of cars.
Expect the LP to be built no longer than one and a half year, with presentation this autumn (Frankfurt) and delivery to customers end of year, your two years wait means you get one of the last cars. By that time, the F430 successor should be well into production.
Problem may be, that if you order the successor now, you might not get it before the second production year, what means another two years wait for you.
Basically it's up to your and your personal preferences whether you should go for the Light Pista or the F430 successor.
Apr 28, 2007 6:58:04 PM
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Patriek, according to the information I got, the F430 will be out in late 2008. So delivery should start in 2009. Ferrari can only present one new model each year, this year it's the Light Pista, next year the F430 successor and in 2009 the new Dino. Only chance that the successor of the midengined model will be presented later would be if they switched the presentation date with the Dino. But I don't think that will happen.
So by late 2008 new F430, which will give the Light Pista a production time similar to that of the Challenge Stradale.
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Patriek, according to the information I got, the F430 will be out in late 2008. So delivery should start in 2009. Ferrari can only present one new model each year, this year it's the Light Pista, next year the F430 successor and in 2009 the new Dino. Only chance that the successor of the midengined model will be presented later would be if they switched the presentation date with the Dino. But I don't think that will happen.
So by late 2008 new F430, which will give the Light Pista a production time similar to that of the Challenge Stradale.
I can't imagine that the 430 will have a only 4 years run, that would be VERY stupid of ferrari !
I hope my sources (straight from Modena )are right, and that it will be one year later than your sources ...
Imagine, delivery dates for the LP outside europe, and europe as well will be half 2008, and only six months later the successor. ........ (and please don't tell me the LP is another car)
going the japanese way is NOT the way to go !!!!
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Patriek, according to the information I got, the F430 will be out in late 2008. So delivery should start in 2009. Ferrari can only present one new model each year, this year it's the Light Pista, next year the F430 successor and in 2009 the new Dino. Only chance that the successor of the midengined model will be presented later would be if they switched the presentation date with the Dino. But I don't think that will happen.
So by late 2008 new F430, which will give the Light Pista a production time similar to that of the Challenge Stradale.
I can't imagine that the 430 will have a only 4 years run, that would be VERY stupid of ferrari !
I hope my sources (straight from Modena )are right, and that it will be one year later than your sources ...
Imagine, delivery dates for the LP outside europe, and europe as well will be half 2008, and only six months later the successor. ........ (and please don't tell me the LP is another car)
going the japanese way is NOT the way to go !!!!
Well, it has ever been the typical Ferrari model cycle. Take a look at the 348/355 or 550/575, the first version is produced 5 years, the second 4 years. So absolutely nothing special, if the F430 will be replaced in late 2008.
And concerning the Light Pista: the last cars of the Challenge Stradale were delivered to the customers when the F430 had already been on the market. So nothing new there again.
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Well, it has ever been the typical Ferrari model cycle. Take a look at the 348/355 or 550/575, the first version is produced 5 years, the second 4 years. So absolutely nothing special, if the F430 will be replaced in late 2008.
Apr 30, 2007 9:42:13 AM
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Well, it has ever been the typical Ferrari model cycle. Take a look at the 348/355 or 550/575, the first version is produced 5 years, the second 4 years. So absolutely nothing special, if the F430 will be replaced in late 2008.
My latest information says that the F430's model cycle will be longer than we all think. Car is selling well, the next year will be fully focussed on the new V8 front engined model, this US airbag issue isn't that bad (from what I've heard they are allowed to sell F430s in the US after 2008).
And the Light Pista will run 2 years.
IMO there won't be a F430 replacement before 2010.
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2 comments to your otherwise meaningful reasoning :
- you can't compare 348/355 with 550/575, the 575 is a facelift and technical revsion of the 550 (such as the 512TR to the Testarossa, or the 456 M to the 456GT), whereas the 348 and the 355 are two entirely different models.
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2 comments to your otherwise meaningful reasoning :
- you can't compare 348/355 with 550/575, the 575 is a facelift and technical revsion of the 550 (such as the 512TR to the Testarossa, or the 456 M to the 456GT), whereas the 348 and the 355 are two entirely different models.
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The 355 was nothing more than an upgraded 348.
It was based on the 348 chassis, with some minor cosmetic changes and a new engine. This situation is absolutely comparable to 430/360, as the 430 is the same upgrade to the 360.
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Well, it has ever been the typical Ferrari model cycle. Take a look at the 348/355 or 550/575, the first version is produced 5 years, the second 4 years. So absolutely nothing special, if the F430 will be replaced in late 2008.
My latest information says that the F430's model cycle will be longer than we all think. Car is selling well, the next year will be fully focussed on the new V8 front engined model, this US airbag issue isn't that bad (from what I've heard they are allowed to sell F430s in the US after 2008).
And the Light Pista will run 2 years.
IMO there won't be a F430 replacement before 2010.
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Do you think it would be a good idea to change the F430 for a Light Pista and to change this one for the F430 successor once that model is available?
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Well, it has ever been the typical Ferrari model cycle. Take a look at the 348/355 or 550/575, the first version is produced 5 years, the second 4 years. So absolutely nothing special, if the F430 will be replaced in late 2008.
My latest information says that the F430's model cycle will be longer than we all think. Car is selling well, the next year will be fully focussed on the new V8 front engined model, this US airbag issue isn't that bad (from what I've heard they are allowed to sell F430s in the US after 2008).
And the Light Pista will run 2 years.
IMO there won't be a F430 replacement before 2010.
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Still I don't believe it. Reason? The F430 is already now almost ten years old. Not that it's a bad car, quite the contrary. But development doesn't stand still. Drive a 599 and you know what I mean.
If the F430 was really replaced in 2010, that would make it a more than twelve years old car, never before has there been such an old V8-model from Ferrari. And the competition doesn't sleep either: upgraded Gallardo with approximately 550 to 560hp, which means at least a 60hp advantage over its Ferrari rival. New GT2 from Porsche, with well above 500hp, also a power pack for the standard turbo should arrive soon. Then we will see the V10-R8 from Audi, which will at least match the 490hp of the F430. And I'm not speaking about the Corvette now.
So I really believe Ferrari simply has to change the F430, just to keep its (very important) V8-midengined model up to date.
And BTW, do you remember when Ferrari exchanged the 355 for the Modena? Before the 360 was presented nobody could understand why they already do so, nobody could imagine what they could improve at such a car like the 355. A fantastic car like the F355, that was still selling so strong. After Ferrari had introduced the 360, everybody was astonished how much better the Modena really was in comparison to the 355.
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Still I don't believe it. Reason? The F430 is already now almost ten years old. Not that it's a bad car, quite the contrary. But development doesn't stand still. Drive a 599 and you know what I mean.
If the F430 was really replaced in 2010, that would make it a more than twelve years old car, never before has there been such an old V8-model from Ferrari. And the competition doesn't sleep either: upgraded Gallardo with approximately 550 to 560hp, which means at least a 60hp advantage over its Ferrari rival. New GT2 from Porsche, with well above 500hp, also a power pack for the standard turbo should arrive soon. Then we will see the V10-R8 from Audi, which will at least match the 490hp of the F430. And I'm not speaking about the Corvette now.
So I really believe Ferrari simply has to change the F430, just to keep its (very important) V8-midengined model up to date.
And BTW, do you remember when Ferrari exchanged the 355 for the Modena? Before the 360 was presented nobody could understand why they already do so, nobody could imagine what they could improve at such a car like the 355. A fantastic car like the F355, that was still selling so strong. After Ferrari had introduced the 360, everybody was astonished how much better the Modena really was in comparison to the 355.
I completely agree to your points -- but not to the conclusion. And although I would still choose a F430 over a 997 Turbo/GT2 or a Gallardo, there's no doubt that the car is a 360 Modena Facelift with a great (the greatest?) engine. Yes, it's dating fast.
But...
- The Light Pista isn't even here yet -- and I heard of 2 yr production run.
- Front engined V8 model will be introduced in 2008 and will get massive media coverage. Launch another V8 range in the same year? Makes no sense to me!
- Facelift of 612S is imminent, F60 is around the corner, Ferrari's resources have limits.
IMO the "Dino" is the unofficial successor to the F430... in a way... front engine now? Did change from Testarossa to the 550 as well! How many of the 360/F430 buyers just want a flashy car for some showoff boulevard cruising... so a "Dino" with a metal folding roof at around 130K will be their choice!
The F430 will be continued, probably especially as LP and Spider and then be replaced in late 2009/2010 by a more extreme (and a lot more expensive) mid engined model.
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Well, it has ever been the typical Ferrari model cycle. Take a look at the 348/355 or 550/575, the first version is produced 5 years, the second 4 years. So absolutely nothing special, if the F430 will be replaced in late 2008.
My latest information says that the F430's model cycle will be longer than we all think. Car is selling well, the next year will be fully focussed on the new V8 front engined model, this US airbag issue isn't that bad (from what I've heard they are allowed to sell F430s in the US after 2008).
And the Light Pista will run 2 years.
IMO there won't be a F430 replacement before 2010.
Still I don't believe it. Reason? The F430 is already now almost ten years old. Not that it's a bad car, quite the contrary. But development doesn't stand still. Drive a 599 and you know what I mean.
If the F430 was really replaced in 2010, that would make it a more than twelve years old car, never before has there been such an old V8-model from Ferrari. And the competition doesn't sleep either: upgraded Gallardo with approximately 550 to 560hp, which means at least a 60hp advantage over its Ferrari rival. New GT2 from Porsche, with well above 500hp, also a power pack for the standard turbo should arrive soon. Then we will see the V10-R8 from Audi, which will at least match the 490hp of the F430. And I'm not speaking about the Corvette now.
So I really believe Ferrari simply has to change the F430, just to keep its (very important) V8-midengined model up to date.
And BTW, do you remember when Ferrari exchanged the 355 for the Modena? Before the 360 was presented nobody could understand why they already do so, nobody could imagine what they could improve at such a car like the 355. A fantastic car like the F355, that was still selling so strong. After Ferrari had introduced the 360, everybody was astonished how much better the Modena really was in comparison to the 355.
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- Front engined V8 model will be introduced in 2008 and will get massive media coverage. Launch another V8 range in the same year? Makes no sense to me!
- Facelift of 612S is imminent, F60 is around the corner, Ferrari's resources have limits.