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mmm208 said:
The previously released numbers were 355 hp fpr base 997 and 380 for 997 S.
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mmm208 said:
Just a small prediction that Porsche is under stating performance numbers on new 997 not to hurt current 996 sales. The previously released numbers were 355 hp fpr base 997 and 380 for 997 S. They would have to insane to keep the base model the same hp. Ive been to several porsche dealers in the country and they have very big 996 inventories(no to mention boxters as well). They should have cut back production long time ago to help dealers. They should have added solid rear wing like older models and also made front and rear arches a drop wider. Car is way to expensive to look like a base car.
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mmm208 said:
Just a small prediction that Porsche is under stating performance numbers on new 997 not to hurt current 996 sales. The previously released numbers were 355 hp fpr base 997 and 380 for 997 S. They would have to insane to keep the base model the same hp. Ive been to several porsche dealers in the country and they have very big 996 inventories(no to mention boxters as well). They should have cut back production long time ago to help dealers. They should have added solid rear wing like older models and also made front and rear arches a drop wider. Car is way to expensive to look like a base car.
You're not good at prophecy, try something else for a living.
I'm not sure I understand you but I'm still trying hard, honestly.
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I think Porsche's public relations people would be surprised to hear that they had "previously released" higher horse power figures for these models.
Or do you have copies of the press release to help them remember?
I dont think EVO magazine pulls numbers out of thin air!!!
You seem to be getting emotional. Relax , its just a car.
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Crash said:
I think M&M was trying to say that it was Porsche's intention to help boost sales of the current 996s by understating the current model's power figures.
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You can see that Porsche has seriously understated the power figures by simply looking at the Nordschleife ring times. A heavier car, lacking 60 HP completes the 20 km lap in only 5 seconds more than the current 911 Turbo.
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fritz said:
Since that lap time started circulating before Porsche released any information on the 997, it isn't even an "official" figure. Can you be so sure that it is based on fact?
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Byron said:
I've read several times in this forum that the figure of that lap time is for shure.
So, if a claim is repeated often enough, it automatically becomes true? Interesting concept.
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I was just wondering how this could be achieved with the given "official" power of the car's engine (355 HP), and considering other improvements in the car, not so easly reflected in a number.
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I know it hasn't been publically released, but the information from a few months ago indicated that the base 997 would have at least 340 HP, with the Carrera S receiving over 360, if I'm not mistaken. You can see that Porsche has seriously understated the power figures by simply looking at the Nordschleife ring times. A heavier car, lacking 60 HP completes the 20 km lap in only 5 seconds more than the current 911 Turbo. Suspension upgrades by themselves don't do that. I hope I cleared it up for you RC
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4. As far as I heard, the 997 S has done that "fantastic" Nordschleife time with the 20 mm suspension/LSD and PSM turned off.
For me, the 997 Carrera and even the 997 S are "entry-level" 911 models. If somebody feels the need for more power or a better track setup, the 997 GT3 is rumored to be available too in the near future. Not to speak about the 997 Turbo and a possible 997 GT2 and even 997 GT1.
Is it about money and a good value? Well, look what Ferrari is charging for the 360 Modena, you pay mostly for the looks and not performance.
What did you expect? A gift from Porsche, a 911 with 400 HP for 50000 bucks?
They did a clever thing by offering a 997 S and at the same time keeping the price for the "base model" almost the same. People who barely can afford a 911, can go for the 997 Carrera and others can choose the 997 S or even the more "advanced" models like GT3, Turbo and GT2. This strategy sounds perfectly right to me.
The whole discussion reminds me a little bit of the time of the 996 introduction. The 996 got 14 HP more than the 993 and it blew it off the street anytime performance-wise.
Regarding wings and spoilers and that stuff: there is the Exclusive department, there is Tequipment and there will be the GT3, maybe GT2/GT1 and the Turbo. So what's the problem?
May 18, 2004 9:33:19 PM
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RC said:The 996 got 14 HP more than the 993 and it blew it off the street anytime performance-wise.
May 18, 2004 9:44:50 PM
May 18, 2004 9:57:59 PM
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Rookie said:
@ fritz
... did we ever get any information from you ... what's the reason you are attending this forum ... sarcasm is nice from time to time ... but as a principle it's quite boring ... ?!
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Rookie said:
@ fritz
... did we ever get any information from you ... what's the reason you are attending this forum ... sarcasm is nice from time to time ... but as a principle it's quite boring ... ?!
So please don't get me wrong ... but it would be great to hear something substantial from you ... considering that you seem to have a strong technical background ... just give it a try ...
Greetz
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Rookie said:
... did we ever get any information from you ... what's the reason you are attending this forum ... sarcasm is nice from time to time ... but as a principle it's quite boring ... ?!
... but it would be great to hear something substantial from you ... considering that you seem to have a strong technical background ...