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GA997S said:
The GT3 RS should smoke any production Corvette. The Carrera S should be inline with the Z06. This would've been the case if the C2S had 415hp and the GT3 had 500hp. Porsche is not staying ahead in the power game...All 911's should be fast and they are not. I say turbo charge all 911's, add another 44mm to the hips and use 325's.
I second that
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Grant said:Quote:
GA997S said:I say turbo charge all 911's, add another 44mm to the hips and use 325's.
No thanks! All the best driving 911's have always been lightweight non-turbo models...
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RR4 said:
Ok, let's HONESTLY and INTELLECTUALY put both cars on identical tires. Done.
BUT lets ALSO even up the field by putting 85 more HP in the RS OR dropping the Z06's HP down by 85HP.
Well, changing tires is something that anyone can do in as little as $1000 and an hour in a tire shop. How much would it take to add 85hp to an RS3? I recon it would be a major $$$
Jan 13, 2007 2:57:21 PM
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RR4 said:
Ok, let's HONESTLY and INTELLECTUALY put both cars on identical tires. Done.
BUT lets ALSO even up the field by putting 85 more HP in the RS OR dropping the Z06's HP down by 85HP.
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GA997S said:And the GT2??? Isn't that the ultimate 911? Turbo's don't have to be heavy.
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GA997S said:And the GT2??? Isn't that the ultimate 911? Turbo's don't have to be heavy.
While the GT2 is faster than the GT3, the GT3 is widely reported to be the more responsive and rewarding car to drive. And the GT2 is much too heavy for me - the GT3 could stand to lose a bunch of weight too...
People in USA who have received the new 997GT3 and weighed their cars are reporting about 3,340 lbs with fuel (but no driver). That is as much as a 1980's BMW 5-series sedan. Yes, there is a problem in Zuffenhausen if that is their track-focused model
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GA997S said:And the GT2??? Isn't that the ultimate 911? Turbo's don't have to be heavy.
While the GT2 is faster than the GT3, the GT3 is widely reported to be the more responsive and rewarding car to drive. And the GT2 is much too heavy for me - the GT3 could stand to lose a bunch of weight too...
People in USA who have received the new 997GT3 and weighed their cars are reporting about 3,340 lbs with fuel (but no driver). That is as much as a 1980's BMW 5-series sedan. Yes, there is a problem in Zuffenhausen if that is their track-focused model
Jan 15, 2007 3:39:22 PM
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RR4 said:
You've got to be joking.
Ok, let's HONESTLY and INTELLECTUALY put both cars on identical tires. Done.
BUT lets ALSO even up the field by putting 85 more HP in the RS OR dropping the Z06's HP down by 85HP.
Who do you honestly think the winner will be then?
Come on.
Don't get me wrong - don't mean to sound like Im attacking you - I love the Z06, it looks great and it is a fun car to drive and it's an effing beast. It is exactly what it is, but the RS is more.
O.K. RR4, are you the mastermind behind parity in NASCAR??Jan 15, 2007 8:48:46 PM
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RR4 said:
You've got to be joking.
Ok, let's HONESTLY and INTELLECTUALY put both cars on identical tires. Done.
BUT lets ALSO even up the field by putting 85 more HP in the RS OR dropping the Z06's HP down by 85HP.
Who do you honestly think the winner will be then?
Come on.
Don't get me wrong - don't mean to sound like Im attacking you - I love the Z06, it looks great and it is a fun car to drive and it's an effing beast. It is exactly what it is, but the RS is more.
Tires are interchangeable. If you're talking about track superiority, most owners come to the track armed with numerous sets of tires to match up with conditions...
You can imagine the laughter that would ensue if you were at a track day, and a Z06 guy bolted up a set of purposeful rubber, and you came running over crying "no fair, unless you put a governor on your throttle, or spot me a lap or two..."
Now if you choose to bolt on a blower, or spend uber-cash with a shop that can milk an additional 85 ponies through heads and exhaust and camming, that's fine and fair. But you can't discount the widening of the gulf in price, just in the effort to stay ahead. And remember, Joe Z06 can probably boost his Z06 on a cheaper budget, which still supports the fact you get a ton of performance for the buck, and the definition of "more" in the GTS RS can only be stated in concert with the words "for a hefty price"..
When there's a track & field race, they typically allow everyone to wear competitive shoes. If somebody enters the competition with scary raw ability, they don't tell him "hey, you walked into the locker room in hunting boots, so either you wear those, or we're letting all your competition juice-up on steroids..."
Jan 15, 2007 9:51:52 PM
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Jan 16, 2007 8:23:37 AM
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69bossnine said:However, I'm also a power junkie. If a car can't impress me with the gas pedal, I've got zero use for it, it bores me to tears and frustrates me to drive.. Kind of like having a hot wife... with zero sex drive.. Not a complete package...
Jan 16, 2007 12:53:21 PM
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wushuhsu said:
Man, if Chevrolet would make a midengined Corvette, it would blow the 911 away in both handling and horsepower! The technology in the Corvette puts Porsche to shame. As a small company, Porsche doesn't have the resources to keep up with new car technology such as direct-injection, the new incarnation of dual-clutch transmissions, nor the ability to compete with the Audi R6, hence they're buying all the VW shares in order to force VW to stop developing the R6 and R8.
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wushuhsu said:
As a small company, Porsche doesn't have the resources to keep up with new car technology such as direct-injection, the new incarnation of dual-clutch transmissions, nor the ability to compete with the Audi R6, hence they're buying all the VW shares in order to force VW to stop developing the R6 and R8.
Jan 16, 2007 2:10:18 PM
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GA997S said:
If GM had made the interior plain without any signs of attempted or successful luxury, then people would see the car as more focused and all of a sudden it would be more widely regarded as the real sports car that it is.
Jan 16, 2007 2:15:57 PM
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69bossnine said:
I'm at a loss as to where I waved a flag in my posts...
Furthermore, car-prejudice runs both directions...
I was simply pointing out that pre-production cars are NOT FINISHED. They were quite obviously in the midst of chassis set-up, and there was likely more work done after that. "Modified"?? More like, "not finished".. And that goes for final engine calibration too... You have zero idea where they were "at" with the car, which is why I found it absurd that you would put forth that link as your silver bullet.
Shoot, Ford did most of their closed-course chassis development on the Ford GT with engineering mules running 4.6L mills, instead of the 5.4. Why?? I have no flippin' idea, but that's what they gave a few U.S. press reps a ride in a year or so prior to release.
Jan 16, 2007 2:29:53 PM
Jan 16, 2007 3:37:10 PM
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69bossnine said:
O.K. RR4, you win, so here's your crown. I hereby pronounce you "King of Speculation".
BTW, How is a $65K car "in the GT2's category"?? You treat horsepower like it's something UNFAIR, like it's cheating to show up at a track with it... I've got news for you, dollar for dollar, the Z06 is in the base 997 category. The fact that it runs with a GT3 RS is something that deserves due credit, not snobbish sneering... Horsepower envy isn't pretty, and is closely related to napoleon syndrome in my book.
When I discuss my purchase logic with friends regarding my 997S, I'm often asked "why didn't you save money and go with a Corvette", and I reply of course with the honest answers of fun-factor, quality, communication, dynamics, and that the car performs relatively equal to a standard C6 with less power... But that last statement always feels silly to me when I say it... There's nothing wrong with more power, we would all enjoy it if we had it.
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