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Feb 8, 2019 8:06:54 AM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: CGX car nut

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CGX car nut:
W8MM:
Whoopsy:
W8MM:
What's the latest scoop on the 2020 Flying Spur Hybrid?

When the Taycan arrives to replace my Panamera Turbo S e-Hybrid, I'll need something in the garage that can do 3-500 mile trips. The Arnage is the natural current car to flip (no AWD), so thinking Flying Spur Hybrid would be the ticket.

Mike, you are such a tall guy, you might not fit in the Taycan

Time will tell!

This is Porsche, not Lamborghini. However, I have always found the Cayman a bit shorter in leg room than the Boxster for some reason. I have not sat in either 718 variant as they hold absolute zero appeal to me. Segueing to the Bentley, I have only seen one, during a private invite event nearly one year ago. The car is quite striking but in person, for some reason, looks larger than the outgoing model.

180 cm at the rear seats -> Taycan -> good luck

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Feb 8, 2019 8:07:44 AM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: The farmer

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The farmer:
Finally the car has arrived in Sweden. Mine is the one furthest to the left

Excellent car - cool colour Smiley

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Feb 8, 2019 1:23:15 PM

W8MM: Rennteam Master; Loc: Cincinnati, OH , United States; Posts: 3997, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 8, 2003; Reply to: ALDO

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ALDO:
W8MM:
ALDO:
The Flying Spur will be introduced in 2020. V8 and W12. SWB and LWB. Will look more like a 4 door Coupé.

I am wondering how a much smaller car like Taycan can replace your Panamera?

Are you thinking Tesla Model X?????

Model X - no, no, nooooooo - you mean to replace the Panamera with a Model X? NO

I am a big fan of the Panamera, it has enough room and is very sporty. The Taycan is much smaller and also one level below the Panamera regarding the used materials and finishes.

The new Flying Spur with SWB and V8 could be a very attractive alternative to the Panamera. It is even a one level higher regarding interior. But it is not a BEV.

The Taycan would become my daily driver (as the Panamera is, now), so I don't need to worry very often about the rear seat passengers. The 2020 Flying Spur would be the "go-out-to-the-theater-with-another-couple" car. That's the present function for the Arnage. The only problem with the Arnage is the lack of AWD for winter-season long trips that I now do in the Panamera. Otherwise I would keep the Arnage.

I have been tempted to buy a Tesla S, X, or 3 before the Taycan became a reality. I really like the refuel-at-home aspect of BEVs and I really enjoy Tesla-level acceleration. Most USA traffic opportunity maneuvers respond to acceleration instead of top speed, so BEVs are cool.

I would really like a Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid drive train in a Bentley. I'm hoping the 2020 Flying Spur will have that option, or at least some hybrid that's quick.

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Feb 8, 2019 1:50:12 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: W8MM

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Another high end Panamera sale cannibalized by a Taycan... this is just the beginning... Porsche profit in this trade goes from $70k to about zero?

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Feb 8, 2019 4:07:42 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: SciFrog

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SciFrog:
Another high end Panamera sale cannibalized by a Taycan... this is just the beginning... Porsche profit in this trade goes from $70k to about zero?

Huh?

He already have a high end Panamera, Porsche sold one to him already.

Mike is is buying a Taycan instead of a Tesla..............

How is that stealing a sale? The Taycan stole another sale from Tesla.

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Feb 8, 2019 7:55:44 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

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The Panamera goes and the Tesla, the Bentley comes in with the Taycan. No more Panamera sales.

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Feb 8, 2019 8:31:36 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: Bentley GT

Whoopsy:
SciFrog:
Another high end Panamera sale cannibalized by a Taycan... this is just the beginning... Porsche profit in this trade goes from $70k to about zero?

Huh?

Mike is is buying a Taycan instead of a Tesla..............

And Porsche sold him one already before the Taycan.

How is that stealing sales?

The Bentley is the one stealing sales from Panamera and Taycan.

Ad he buys a Taycan instead of a Tesla, so that's a direct sale steal from Tesla.

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Feb 9, 2019 7:42:57 AM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: W8MM

Re: Bentley GT

W8MM:

I have been tempted to buy a Tesla S, X, or 3 before the Taycan became a reality. I really like the refuel-at-home aspect of BEVs and I really enjoy Tesla-level acceleration.

Yeah refuelling at home is pretty cool. My wife has a PHEV Volvo. Just plug in and that's it. She could drive to work, in the city, to golf club or to friends all in pure electric.

I have been also thinking of S, X and 3. But X is somehow out of proportions, doesn't look so nice despite the cool doors. The 3 is small and very cheap built, lot of cheap plastics. The Taycan is little bit larger then model 3 but is much more luxury. A very nice daily car.

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Feb 9, 2019 4:50:43 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: ALDO

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The issue with Porsche luxury is the number of boxes to be ticked.

Sure, you sit in a Tesla and the second thought is...this is not to a Mercedes level in terms of finish.

Tesla, if clever can still take a good share of the EV sales but first thing is to really improve the finish and material inside.

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Feb 10, 2019 12:16:55 AM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: the-missile

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I am sure they know that, the beauty is they can just turn the dial any month they want and bam, better interior... Other would have to wait for a cycle refresh, 3 to 4 years.

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Feb 10, 2019 1:39:21 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: SciFrog

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SciFrog:
I am sure they know that, the beauty is they can just turn the dial any month they want and bam, better interior... Other would have to wait for a cycle refresh, 3 to 4 years.

Hmm they can't.

First of all they don't have the money to do it.

Second they are stuck with this platform for a while, and can't really improve the interior much. It's not just the material used, it's also the layout and mount points and hard points. The Model S has been in production since 2012, and the interior hasn't changed one iota. That's 7 years, everyone else has done at least one refresh if not 2.

Who is the one stuck with their design again?

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Feb 10, 2019 2:08:41 AM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Actually the interior has evolved in term of fit and finish... Plus they don’t use leather so there is a level they will never reach and clearly their customers have not asked for it.

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Feb 10, 2019 10:08:46 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: SciFrog

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A normal car company improved the fit and finish from a pre-production car to a production car, jus saying.

When they first came out, they had a fit and finish quality not even a Tata car plant would approve and let out the door.

But it's not even the leather part.

My old BMW 330xi doesn't have a leather dash either, but the plastic quality is lightyears ahead of the material used Innside a Tesla.

Come to think of it, the Prius taxi I just rode home in, have a higher quality interior than a Tesla.

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Feb 10, 2019 10:14:01 AM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21156, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: Bentley GT

SciFrog:
I am sure they know that, the beauty is they can just turn the dial any month they want and bam, better interior... Other would have to wait for a cycle refresh, 3 to 4 years.

Don't be naive SciFrog, things do not work that way, when have you seen that happen in the auto industry?, more so in an american car's interior after all these years? and even more so in a Tesla interior?

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Feb 10, 2019 10:15:50 AM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21156, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: Bentley GT

Whoopsy:
A normal car company improved the fit and finish from a pre-production car to a production car, jus saying.

When they first came out, they had a fit and finish quality not even a Tata car plant would approve and let out the door.

But it's not even the leather part.

My old BMW 330xi doesn't have a leather dash either, but the plastic quality is lightyears ahead of the material used Innside a Tesla.

Come to think of it, the Prius taxi I just rode home in, have a higher quality interior than a Tesla.

But this is Tesla Nick, the Chuck Norris of the auto industry, they can even do it through one of their OTA updates that solve everything Smiley

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Feb 10, 2019 10:18:46 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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I would love to see a OTA update that improves the fit and finish and material used inside the car magically. smiley

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Feb 10, 2019 10:23:50 AM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21156, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:
I would love to see a OTA update that improves the fit and finish and material used inside the car magically.

That is what I meant, Tesla can do that through their OTA's I bet Smiley , just look at what they were able to accomplish through their latest OTA Smiley

https://insideevs.com/tesla-fart-toilet-humor-mode/

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Feb 10, 2019 1:53:05 PM

Leawood911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Kansas, USA , United States; Posts: 6924, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 29, 2006; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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The Tesla hate is strong with Nick. I have never seen anything like it. Wow. Just a bit on the irrational side.

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Feb 10, 2019 1:57:31 PM

absent: Pilot; Loc: Illinois , United States; Posts: 365, Gallery; Registered on: May 6, 2012; Reply to: Leawood911

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Leawood911:
The Tesla hate is strong with Nick. I have never seen anything like it. Wow. Just a bit on the irrational side.

It's not really a hate toward Tesla, It's just that some (a lot or even most) Tesla owners are utter fanatics who think Musk is God and their cars are the Bible and it rubs most people (who still look at thinks in a sober way)rubs the wrong way.

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Feb 10, 2019 2:00:50 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14184, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: absent

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and anti Tesla's reflet the exact same opposite ....

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Feb 10, 2019 4:05:29 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59606, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: ALDO

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The Tesla X would sell much better if it looked differently...still looks like a Minivan, a no go for many people. Smiley

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Feb 10, 2019 4:06:05 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59606, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:
I would love to see a OTA update that improves the fit and finish and material used inside the car magically.

Smiley Smiley

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Feb 10, 2019 5:26:20 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: RC

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The fit and finish difference is greatly exaggerated unless you compare to the top of the line Germans (which again have leather), but anyway clearly the Tesla buyers just don’t care that much. I am not a fan of the plastics around and inside the center cubby, but no deal breaker. Dash, doors and seats are perfectly fine.

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Feb 10, 2019 7:09:36 PM

Upsa: Senior; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 508, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2008; Reply to: SciFrog

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Why does everything lead to Tesla? This is a Bentley GT thread. So disappointing talking abut batteries in a thread meant to celebrate engineering & coachmanship. C'mon....

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Feb 10, 2019 7:10:13 PM

Upsa: Senior; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 508, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2008; Reply to: Upsa

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Although I sell these batteries.... angry

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Feb 10, 2019 7:34:33 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59606, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Upsa

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Upsa:
Although I sell these batteries....

Smiley Smiley

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Feb 10, 2019 7:37:18 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59606, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Upsa

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Upsa:
Why does everything lead to Tesla? This is a Bentley GT thread. So disappointing talking abut batteries in a thread meant to celebrate engineering & coachmanship. C'mon....

I don't get that either... Smiley

A couple of weeks ago, we were in a group of people, talking about cars and I mentioned that I'm getting a Lamborghini. One of the guys asked me why I'm not getting a Tesla S because it is faster off the line. I mean, c'mon, seriously? Smiley I tried to explain but he kind of didn't get the point, for him only the numbers and "future tech" (what ever crap he mumbled) counted. Smiley Some people just don't get sports cars anymore, this is a reality we need to face.

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Feb 10, 2019 7:39:11 PM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: RC

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Let’s return to Bentley.

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Feb 10, 2019 7:42:01 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59606, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: ALDO

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Oh yes, the interior is superb. kiss

Basically a classier Panamera.

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Feb 10, 2019 8:02:49 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Upsa

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Upsa:
Why does everything lead to Tesla? This is a Bentley GT thread. So disappointing talking abut batteries in a thread meant to celebrate engineering & coachmanship. C'mon....

Oh come on, it's not your first day here in Rennteam. Every thread goes every which way, always. Smiley

Be glad we are not talking about R8 or chest hair here. Smiley

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