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    30-Jul-2006 11:21:00

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    7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

    According to the latest issue of Autobild the 997 MK II (2008) will get the following technical upgrades:

    > 7 gear manual gearbox (keeps us manual guys on par with the auto-tranny guys )

    > more HP (no numbers mentioned)

    > reworked chassis (no details mentioned, but it may refer to the retractable front spoiler- see other thread)

    You may take it with a grain of salt, but AB talks about the changes like they are facts rather than rumors.

    30-Jul-2006 13:16:59

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

    That must be a first 7 speed manual???

    30-Jul-2006 13:54:35

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

    manual tranny with 7 gears, you have got to be kidding me?

    30-Jul-2006 15:12:29

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

    Quote:
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    manual tranny with 7 gears, you have got to be kidding me?




    7 gearings would only be good for refinements on the track; since tracking voids warrenty it won't be useful to the street car. The car which has so much hp/tq it really only needs a two speed gearbox: 1st and 3rd gear (ok and 6th to get top speed).

    30-Jul-2006 16:08:51

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

    It's almost impossible to work a 7 gear manual that isn't sequential. Think of the gearing, the shifts would be loopity loop?

    30-Jul-2006 17:13:35

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

    7 gear manual - sounds fishy.

    30-Jul-2006 17:25:35

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

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    It's almost impossible to work a 7 gear manual that isn't sequential. Think of the gearing, the shifts would be loopity loop?


    I was going to post the exact same thing. At the very first blown engine due to a driver downshifting 3 gears instead of 1, we're going to see the good ol' 6-gear tranny rise from the dead in 30 seconds flat.

    31-Jul-2006 07:21:32

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

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    That must be a first 7 speed manual???



    Indeed the article emphasizes that it will be the first 7 spd. manual ever, but maybe they are just mixing it up with the 7spd PDK auto tranny

    31-Jul-2006 08:12:14

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

    Yes, this doesn't look like manual to me, much more like PDK (DSG equiv)...

    http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=56...=1&sparte=4

    31-Jul-2006 09:11:20

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

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    Yes, this doesn't look like manual to me, much more like PDK (DSG equiv)...

    http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=56...=1&sparte=4


    Exactly. It must be a DSG type of tranny. I don't think there are alot of people who wants to fiddle with a 7 speed manual. There is simply too much work with the clutch which means that there is a big chance of people not being able to reach the claimed 0-100km/h or 0-200km/h times.

    01-Aug-2006 07:51:12

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

    More news from yesterday:

    New Transmission Will Replace Tiptronic

    For many years now Porsche has set the sports car benchmark. Their engineering department has taken what is considered the worst layout for a sports car, a rear-mounted engine hanging out the back, and made it work to a degree that front- and mid-engined sports cars are often left in its dust. Almost more impressive, however, the 911 doesnt compromise from the perspective of drivability, resulting in a car that can hang with everything from a Viper to a Ferrari on the racetrack but, on the way home, offers comfort, convenience features, reliability and fuel economy matched by few rivals. But as good as their current cars are, Porsche has one weak point: its less-than-sporting automatic transmission.

    Shared with Volkswagen, the Porsche-developed slushbox is the well-known torque-converter equipped Tiptronic transmission. Outselling the manual by quite a margin, this automatic gearbox was one of the first manual-shifted automatics on the market, and while it was heralded as excellent and ingenious in its day, the onset of newer, more advanced (and simply better) technology has left it in the proverbial dust. Recognizing this, Volkswagen contracted BorgWarner to build a newer, better box for use in the various high-performance Audi models. What BorgWarner came back with was the Direct-Shift Gearbox, or DSG.

    Sporting two clutches in place of the Tiptronics torque converter, the DSG sequential-manual was greeted with open arms by the enthusiast community. Always engaged, the DSG unit uses an inner and an outer clutch to engage and disengage cogs. The outer pack drives gears 1, 3, and 5; while the inner clutch pack drives 2, 4, and 6. Using complicated electronic algorithms, the drivers selected gear is engaged by one clutch pack while the previous gear is disengaged by the other. The result is lag-free, seamless, predictable shifts that can be easily tuned for different situations by simply changing the clutch packs modulation. Compared to the slow, jerky, and cumbersome Tiptronic gearbox, the DSG is light years ahead and miles better.

    So, it makes logical sense that Porsche should choose to assimilate that technology at the first opportunity (especially now that theyre a majority owner of VW group); which they did. But in grand Porsche over-engineering fashion, theyve gone one better; quite literally. Developing their own variant of the DSG box, Porsche filed a patent indicating the company will be unleashing the worlds first seven speed DSG gearbox upon the public.

    Expected to see duty in everything from the lowly (relatively) Cayman and Boxster models all the way up to the upcoming Carrera GT-based GT1 racecar, it turns out the development program is surprisingly far along, and Porsche apparently hoped to have had the gearbox completed for use in the new 911 Turbo.

    This said, they havent publisized even a tentative date of release, although, it an announcement is expected soon

    01-Aug-2006 07:59:48

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

    I would hate to have ordered a 997TT tip, because despite the magic perf they achieved, you have nothing more than a model 'in-waiting' for the DSG whose development was delayed...
    Anyway, manual for me :-) Always !

    01-Aug-2006 13:50:30

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

    I doubt there is going to be a 7 speed manual. BMW couldn't figure out how to make one and are bringing out a 6 speed manual as an alternative to the 7 speed SMG on the M5.

    01-Aug-2006 17:28:25

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

    Quote:
    Alex (UK) said:
    More news from yesterday:

    New Transmission Will Replace Tiptronic

    For many years now Porsche has set the sports car benchmark. Their engineering department has taken what is considered the worst layout for a sports car, a rear-mounted engine hanging out the back, and made it work to a degree that front- and mid-engined sports cars are often left in its dust. Almost more impressive, however, the 911 doesnt compromise from the perspective of drivability, resulting in a car that can hang with everything from a Viper to a Ferrari on the racetrack but, on the way home, offers comfort, convenience features, reliability and fuel economy matched by few rivals. But as good as their current cars are, Porsche has one weak point: its less-than-sporting automatic transmission.

    Shared with Volkswagen, the Porsche-developed slushbox is the well-known torque-converter equipped Tiptronic transmission. Outselling the manual by quite a margin, this automatic gearbox was one of the first manual-shifted automatics on the market, and while it was heralded as excellent and ingenious in its day, the onset of newer, more advanced (and simply better) technology has left it in the proverbial dust. Recognizing this, Volkswagen contracted BorgWarner to build a newer, better box for use in the various high-performance Audi models. What BorgWarner came back with was the Direct-Shift Gearbox, or DSG.

    Sporting two clutches in place of the Tiptronics torque converter, the DSG sequential-manual was greeted with open arms by the enthusiast community. Always engaged, the DSG unit uses an inner and an outer clutch to engage and disengage cogs. The outer pack drives gears 1, 3, and 5; while the inner clutch pack drives 2, 4, and 6. Using complicated electronic algorithms, the drivers selected gear is engaged by one clutch pack while the previous gear is disengaged by the other. The result is lag-free, seamless, predictable shifts that can be easily tuned for different situations by simply changing the clutch packs modulation. Compared to the slow, jerky, and cumbersome Tiptronic gearbox, the DSG is light years ahead and miles better.

    So, it makes logical sense that Porsche should choose to assimilate that technology at the first opportunity (especially now that theyre a majority owner of VW group); which they did. But in grand Porsche over-engineering fashion, theyve gone one better; quite literally. Developing their own variant of the DSG box, Porsche filed a patent indicating the company will be unleashing the worlds first seven speed DSG gearbox upon the public.

    Expected to see duty in everything from the lowly (relatively) Cayman and Boxster models all the way up to the upcoming Carrera GT-based GT1 racecar, it turns out the development program is surprisingly far along, and Porsche apparently hoped to have had the gearbox completed for use in the new 911 Turbo.

    This said, they havent publisized even a tentative date of release, although, it an announcement is expected soon



    The Bugatti DSG is the first and only 7 gear DSG ever built (also belonging to VW group). So it wouldnt be a world first for Porsche. Trouble with the Bugatti DSG is the weight which is commanded by the fact that it has to support 1000NM of tourque. This is not the case with Porsches so they are working on a much smaller and lighter version...

    02-Aug-2006 10:16:31

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

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    The Bugatti DSG is the first and only 7 gear DSG ever built (also belonging to VW group). So it wouldnt be a world first for Porsche.



    That's exactly the confusing element in the AB article.
    They are saying: "das weltweit erste Siebengang-Schaltgetriebe" = world-wide first seven gear manual gearbox.
    So the world first claim only could be true if it's a manual gearbox. But it may be just another example of bad journalism
    Here's the link to the short article: http://www.autobild.de/erlkoenige/neuheiten/artikel.php?artikel_id=11902

    02-Aug-2006 11:49:40

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    Re: 7 gear manual + more hp for MY 08 ?

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    Quote:
    turbolite said:
    The Bugatti DSG is the first and only 7 gear DSG ever built (also belonging to VW group). So it wouldnt be a world first for Porsche.



    That's exactly the confusing element in the AB article.
    They are saying: "das weltweit erste Siebengang-Schaltgetriebe" = world-wide first seven gear manual gearbox.
    So the world first claim only could be true if it's a manual gearbox. But it may be just another example of bad journalism
    Here's the link to the short article: http://www.autobild.de/erlkoenige/neuheiten/artikel.php?artikel_id=11902



    Schaltgetriebe means manual in German, we can agree on that. A 7-speed manual... That will be cool !
     
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