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    Performance Comparison

    "Borrowed" this from another site. These are the results of an AutoCar 0-100-0 test

    0-30 0-60 0-100 100-0 total time
    1.64 4.12 8.82 4.2 13.65 o6 model gallardo
    2.26 4.76 9.88 4.54 14.95 bmw m6
    1.97 4.29 8.66 4.42 13.80 z06 corvette
    1.3 3.6 8.00 4.25 12.5 porsche 997 turbo
    1.4 2.8 5.5 3.4 9.9 bugatti veyron
    1.61 3.3 5.6 5.1 10.7 suzuki gsx-r1000

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    Since i had a hard time reading that, i threw it into excel and made it much easier to read



    man, those GSX #'s really put into perspective how fast modern "superbikes" really are

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    lol that was my post,i just came here to put it on.

    I had a few notes from one of the testers which are worth reading..he is responding to my questions about its performance and turbo lag.

    'Yep, it's an amazing car. Recently I figured 911 HUL (that's right, the UK press 997 Turbo has THAT number plate again) and you'll be able to read about it in 0-100-0 this week and in forthcoming road test/group tests - it's sensationally quick. Oh my word, it's QUICK....!
    The RT data sheet is in front of me on my desk. Try this: 60-80mph in third - just 1.8 secs, or 2.9 sec in fifth...
    Turbo or GT3? We're having fist fights here over that...'

    and in response to my 'is thier lag'...

    'No, I wouldn't agree with that, but I think I have an idea what they mean. The new engine runs a lower compression ratio than the 996 turbo and the throttle response and some of it's general behaviour are more obviously 'turbo' than the old car. If that makes any sense! The new variable vane turbos make a difference too, cos they deliver boost in such an almighty twack at any revs that you're aware of the off boost - on boost transition more. Imagine a typical VAG 2.0 TDi at low revs - u floor it and there's nothing... and then suddenly.....whoosh. The turbo has more off boost than that of course, but that kick of power and torque is incredible when it comes in (esp if it has sportchrono) and possibly focuses the mind more on whether the turbines are spinning or not.
    It's strange in a way, cos in some ways the new car has more character, and in some areas less. Being a 997, surprise surprise there's a lot less steering feel. But on the other hand I feel the engine has more inherent 'character'. Like I said, it feels obviously 'turbocharged', and while some may see that as a bad thing, I love that sensation. It also rasps and rips under acceleration and wheezes loudly when u lift off the throttle. We're not talking Noble volume, but when you're 'on it' u could fool yourself you're watching 'in-car 956'... Porsche admit they've tried to bring out some of these character elements with the new car.
    Most of all though, it's just plain fast. This car is a MACHINE. A device. A destroyer of roads. Thinking back now, the acceleration seems surreal. I remember reading about the MacF1 when it was launched and how testers at the time talked about the ability to overtake anything, anywhere and at any time. I've sadly never driven a big Mac, but the 997 Turbo is quite like that. In the end, the temptation drives u a bit mad. Obviously, it doesn't match the feeling u get in a Veyron, but as turbo rushes go, it's not a bad substitute...'

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    sdy284 said:man, those GSX #'s really put into perspective how fast modern "superbikes" really are


    Yeah, but the Veyron is even faster (for 100x the price)

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    Grant said:
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    sdy284 said:man, those GSX #'s really put into perspective how fast modern "superbikes" really are


    Yeah, but the Veyron is even faster (for 100x the price)



    until you put a turbo on the gixxer, then its byebye veyron

    and you still have enough money left to buy the rest of the cars on that list!

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    The reporter's feedback puts things in perspective. It comes around to a post I made where I speculated about driver's perceptions of response time and acceleration. It all makes sense.

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    was this test tip or manual?

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    They must have gotten the 350hp version of the Z06. Those are the slowest munbers I have seen for it. That Veyron is crazy fast. I can't imagine a car that heavy running down a liter bike.

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    it was manual and the vette was the full blown version.

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    Wow, notice the Veyron's braking time...that's really impressive, particularly because of the cars weight

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    Was there a misprint in case of the veyron ? 5,5 + 3,4 = 9,9 ?

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    Yes the Veyron braking impress me the same or more than the go.

    Well is the advantage of having four massive tyres, they help you brake better.

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    I'm glad that these tests can put the 997TT in such a good light.

    It makes a lot of sense that a car that weighs nearly 200kg more with less HP just blowing away the Z06. I'm sure some of you would be howling at the moon if these results were reversed.

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    Yep, a number of them don't quite total correctly if you add the 0-100 and the 100-0 columns.

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    0-30 times?
    0-60 times?
    combined totals?

    silly test!

    the gsxr rider must weigh 500 pounds

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    Wow the performance times for the 997tt are very impressive, however the Z06 times are pathetic. Its strange that the European car mags have so much trouble getting good times with that car, 505hp and 3100lbs should be good enough for 0-100 in much less then 9.66 seconds.

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    Guys these number come from an Autocar article from todays mag... 911 was indeed a manual so we should see it even quicker from the Tip!

    You can see the full list here....

    http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=242942&an=0&page=0#242942

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    RichJ said:
    Guys these number come from an Autocar article from todays mag... 911 was indeed a manual so we should see it even quicker from the Tip!

    You can see the full list here....

    http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=242942&an=0&page=0#242942



    Quicker only if you preboost and if you select first gear...

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    DJB said:
    Yep, a number of them don't quite total correctly if you add the 0-100 and the 100-0 columns.



    Numbers does not add up because of the reaction time it takes to start braking when the wanted speed is reached.

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    If you look at the other list which includes reaction time, the numbers for the Veyron add up to 9.1, not 9.9, did I miss something?

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    yes i did not include the reaction times to get off the accelerator at 100 and onto the brake pedal,I did explain that in t he original post on the other site i posted on,hence the figures dont add up.

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    I am convinced with overboast(no not a miss print), full throttle and Tip the 997TT could back in time.

    What nonsense these tests are. italian magazines have the 997TT far behind many perf.cars and the very pro-Porsche British magazine has it leaving the planet earth headed for Mars.

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    trip said:
    If you look at the other list which includes reaction time, the numbers for the Veyron add up to 9.1, not 9.9, did I miss something?



    I guess the actual veyron 160-0 time was 4.20s. They have probably taken the time of 3.40 by mistake from A1 gp (which is above in the chart).

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    mv said:
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    trip said:
    If you look at the other list which includes reaction time, the numbers for the Veyron add up to 9.1, not 9.9, did I miss something?



    I guess the actual veyron 160-0 time was 4.20s. They have probably taken the time of 3.40 by mistake from A1 gp (which is above in the chart).



    Check out the Sports Car Board, today's date, for a pic of the actual Autocar magazine article. The original figures should add up better.

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    fritz said:
    Quote:
    mv said:
    Quote:
    trip said:
    If you look at the other list which includes reaction time, the numbers for the Veyron add up to 9.1, not 9.9, did I miss something?



    I guess the actual veyron 160-0 time was 4.20s. They have probably taken the time of 3.40 by mistake from A1 gp (which is above in the chart).



    Check out the Sports Car Board, today's date, for a pic of the actual Autocar magazine article. The original figures should add up better.



    Both me and trip we obviously are talking about the actual chart already, otherwise we wouldn't have known reaction times and the time for the A1 GP .

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    mv said:
    Quote:
    trip said:
    If you look at the other list which includes reaction time, the numbers for the Veyron add up to 9.1, not 9.9, did I miss something?



    I guess the actual veyron 160-0 time was 4.20s. They have probably taken the time of 3.40 by mistake from A1 gp (which is above in the chart).



    You're right, it's a mistake. The 4000lbs.+ Veryon would need a parachute coming out its butt to stop in the same time as an F1.

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    355Spider said:
    They must have gotten the 350hp version of the Z06. Those are the slowest munbers I have seen for it. That Veyron is crazy fast. I can't imagine a car that heavy running down a liter bike.



    I also thought the vette number was low (0-60) as well as the M

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    wether the figures are low or high for what you expect is fairly irrelevant,cars were tested by the same driver under the same conditions so it is comparative.Conditions p[lay a major roll in such tests..wether its wet/dry,warm,cold etc etc.

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    Will 997 TT be good after 155 mph times till 190 mph
    I really wonder.

    BTW i hope some M guys see the M6 times and check their mind again

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    wow, for some of those times, they added in the reaction time, for others they didn't, i'll make a complete chart with the correct time #'s

    also, check here:
    http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=243306&Main=242942#Post243306

    for a picture of the article and please note that there is a typo for the Veyron's 100-0 time, it should be 4.2 & not 3.4 as printed (note the braking bar for the Veyron is longer than the A1 GP)


     
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