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    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    Is there going to be limited production of the GT3RS? if so, then that accounts for the pricetag... marketing.
    Personally for me its a no brainer, I would take the standard version and use the 20k for factory and non-factory sport options, but thats personal choice.

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    The average weight of the average 30-50 year old man who will buy this may vary from 75 kgs to 110 kgs. Well, that puts the 20 kg weight saving into perspective....eat less junk food and your GT3 might just outrun a GT3 RS...

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    easy_rider911 said:
    The average weight of the average 30-50 year old man who will buy this may vary from 75 kgs to 110 kgs. Well, that puts the 20 kg weight saving into perspective....eat less junk food and your GT3 might just outrun a GT3 RS...



    True. I wonder, though, how the GT3RS does against the GT3 from 200 km/h onwards. Unless the engine has somehow been tweaked, I don't see the RS being faster than the GT3.

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    Only comp I know of....and it's prob ?2yrs away is 430CS, which in all likelihood will weigh 200lbs more, not have trad manual tranny, and will cost $250Kish (esp w/F's smart, profitable P-like options pricing scheme )....in that context, IMO, GT3RS is a screaming bargain.....however, now the expectations are high for P's long-overdue PDK, esp since it took F roughly 5yrs to upgrade/refine its F1 boxes to today's 599 shift speed....

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    Crash said:
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    easy_rider911 said:True. I wonder, though, how the GT3RS does against the GT3 from 200 km/h onwards. Unless the engine has somehow been tweaked, I don't see the RS being faster than the GT3.


    The RS should be slower at high speed, since it has the identical powertrain (reportedly), but has worse aerodynamics with the widebody...

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    Grant said:
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    Crash said:
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    easy_rider911 said:True. I wonder, though, how the GT3RS does against the GT3 from 200 km/h onwards. Unless the engine has somehow been tweaked, I don't see the RS being faster than the GT3.


    The RS should be slower at high speed, since it has the identical powertrain (reportedly), but has worse aerodynamics with the widebody...



    Yep. Unless Porsche have tweaked the engine in sercret, the RS isn't a very good deal at all, for most.

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    The main reason the latest GT3RS is a bit " dumbed down " from before : so Porsche can sell an RS in the ROW AND US market for the first time since the '73 RS w/o spending any big money for regulatory differences. Ergo the wide butt for showing off at the trendy clubs and the retro '73 era orange and lime green color options ( plus black and silver for the conservatives ) for the targeted nostalgia obsessed baby boomer buyer. Pretty simple to figure this " controversial " model out if you know what PAG has been up to the past 10 years.

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    So you all believe that Porsche last chance to produce a really BEAST will be the upcomming GT2....

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    Grant said:
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    Crash said:
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    easy_rider911 said:True. I wonder, though, how the GT3RS does against the GT3 from 200 km/h onwards. Unless the engine has somehow been tweaked, I don't see the RS being faster than the GT3.


    The RS should be slower at high speed, since it has the identical powertrain (reportedly), but has worse aerodynamics with the widebody...



    But isn't GT3RS (or GT3 for that matter) really best as a track car, rather than as an autobahn blitzer or a bumpy mtn twisties car????

    From what I gather, GT3/RS become squirrely/unstable at speeds above 170MPH anyway....and their lack of tq makes them rather crushable in 70-150+MPH AB accel vs 997TT/599/65 (when one actually realizes the fantasy scenario of running alongside one of the "big dogs" on a mythical stretch of derestricted AB, w/no obstructive traffic for long distances, in middle of Podunk, Germany )

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    MKW said:
    The main reason the latest GT3RS is a bit " dumbed down " from before : so Porsche can sell an RS in the ROW AND US market for the first time since the '73 RS w/o spending any big money for regulatory differences.


    The 73RS was never exported to the US at the time. The only 911RS to ever come to the US was the 964 RS America (very diluted version of the Euro 964RS) and fewer than 50 units of the 964 Carrera Cup USA which was a street legal racer - less diluted version of the 964 RS. So, even if the 997 GT3RS is a bit diluted for the world, at least it will be the first time ever that the US gets an RS...

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    ok, so now because US wants an RS, ROW is being given a lesser car! Blame the yankees! j/k
    -Joost-

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    Rip off. Save the $20k for performance chip, new exhaust system and PCCB.

    Spare yourself the 2Fast 2Furious wing and the tacky paint jobs.

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    Grant said:

    The 73RS was never exported to the US at the time.



    Tell that to the PR operatives at PCNA ! Today's press release :

    Porsche(R) 911(R) GT3 RS to Make North American Debut; 911 GT3 RS Most Track-Focused, Road-Legal 911 to Appear on North American Shores Since the Legendary '73 Carrera RS
    Tuesday May 30, 11:55 am ET


    ATLANTA, May 30 /CNW/ - North America is set to receive its first production version of the Porsche 911 GT3 RS. Beyond its unique livery, the GT3 RS is distinguished from the GT3 on which it's based by broader rear flanks and reduced weight, further distilling the driving experience to that of a racing car, but one which meets all the requirements for street-legal sports cars. This purist's variant of the 911 GT3--a model particularly well-suited for track outings--will arrive in time for spring 2007.


    Not since the venerable 1973 911 Carrera RS has such a production Porsche been available in this market.

    The Carrera RS was a special, lightweight 911 produced to homologate the vehicle for racing. That tradition continues with the new 911 GT3 RS, which is modified to serve as the homologation model for a range of worldwide racing series.

    The RS's immediate predecessors have garnered more than 50 victories and five championships in the American Le Mans Series, as well as overall victory at the Rolex 24 at Daytona.

    The modifications made to the 911 GT3 RS begin with the bodywork. Compared to the GT3, the rear of the RS is 44mm wider, as it is based on the fuller-bodied 911 Carrera 4 models. The muscular-looking rear end conceals a wider track that not only improves directional stability, but also increases the potential for lateral grip on this two-seat coupe.

    Despite its specialized body, the GT3 RS is lighter than the GT3. This weight-saving was achieved through the use of--among other solutions--a carbon fiber composite for the front lid, and an adjustable carbon fiber wing. Modifications on the GT3 RS geared specifically toward race-regulations include the rear wheel carrier, split rear-suspension wishbones, and the carbon-fiber components.

    The quick-revving nature and peak output of the 911 GT3's 3.6-liter flat-Six remains the same, with the highly-tuned Boxer mill generating 415 horsepower at 7,600 rpm, on the way to an 8,400 rpm redline.

    The new 911 GT3 RS will be available in two standard finishes: Black or Arctic Silver metallic. As an option, the GT3 can also be decked out in brilliant orange or green paintwork. All vehicle insignia and the wheels themselves are styled in orange or black to contrast with the body color. The 911 GT3 RS's interior lives up to the vehicle's race-derived styling. Internal trim is black, with the roof lining, steering wheel and gear stick trimmed in high-quality Alcantara leather.

    The 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 RS will reach the North American market in the spring of 2007, at a price to be announced.

    Porsche Cars North America, Inc. (PCNA), based in Atlanta, GA, and its subsidiary, Porsche Cars Canada, Ltd., are the exclusive importers of Porsche sports cars and Cayenne(R) sport utility vehicles for the United States and Canada. A wholly owned, indirect subsidiary of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, PCNA employs approximately 300 people who provide Porsche vehicles, parts, service, marketing and training for its 213 U.S. and Canadian dealers. They, in turn, provide Porsche owners with best-in-class service.

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    VKSF said:
    But isn't GT3RS (or GT3 for that matter) really best as a track car, rather than as an autobahn blitzer or a bumpy mtn twisties car????





    I expect many US market GT3RSs will be valet parked in front of the same restaurants where that other " track " car , the Ferrari 360CS now often sit.

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    MKW said:
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    VKSF said:
    But isn't GT3RS (or GT3 for that matter) really best as a track car, rather than as an autobahn blitzer or a bumpy mtn twisties car????





    I expect many US market GT3RSs will be valet parked in front of the same restaurants where that other " track " car , the Ferrari 360CS now often sit.




    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    even though i love the car ,its a ripoff...paying 20kg diff. is just too much...

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    MKW said:
    Quote:
    VKSF said:
    But isn't GT3RS (or GT3 for that matter) really best as a track car, rather than as an autobahn blitzer or a bumpy mtn twisties car????





    I expect many US market GT3RSs will be valet parked in front of the same restaurants where that other " track " car , the Ferrari 360CS now often sit.



    Hey, after a long day at the track, I want to get a nice white truffel risotto. Anything wrong with that?

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    Hurst said:
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    MKW said:
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    VKSF said:
    But isn't GT3RS (or GT3 for that matter) really best as a track car, rather than as an autobahn blitzer or a bumpy mtn twisties car????





    I expect many US market GT3RSs will be valet parked in front of the same restaurants where that other " track " car , the Ferrari 360CS now often sit.



    Hey, after a long day at the track, I want to get a nice white truffel risotto. Anything wrong with that?



    Truth be told, found 360CS to be a brilliant poseur car in which to take a visiting LV/LA chick to dinner in SF....great brand image (esp vs P), excellent ground clearance vs SF hills (much better than GT2/3 or CGT or Gallardo), and great exhaust note to reverberate off urban bldgs/tunnels.....looking forward to 430CS to do similar urban SF, going-to-dinner-parked-in-front-of-great-restaurant duty

    For fwys, would rather have 65/997TT....and for mtn twisties would rather have 997TT anyway..... ....IMO, tracks offer a fairly prohibitive litigation/incompetent local emgcy healthcare risk profile anyway, so "track" cars are great for urban poseur duty....

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    I can't imagine that the F1 tranny of the CS would be much fun on the hills of SF (especially parking)

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    frayed said:
    OK, lets boil it all down. For $20k you get:

    Special colors (orange, green)
    CGT-esque seats
    Ltw fly
    Half cage
    Widebody
    Plastic rear window
    Carbon wing
    -40lbs

    Am I missing anything?

    Seems to be a better idea to put 10k into the seats, fly, cage. Use the other 10k for hookers and beer.



    You left off the special RS wheel caps!

    Anyone price a factory roll cage, plexiglass rear window and kill switch wiring from Porsche Motorsports?

    How much to add the bigger rear fenders to a GT3?

    Wanna play, Porsche will make sure you gonna pay.

    20,000 Euros isnt too much to ask is it? You do get a near track ready car that is homoglated.

    They will sell everyone of them.


    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    a near track ready car which voids garanty when you track it... :-S
    -Joost-

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    I'm starting to think its a rip off.

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    I think we should be comparing the GT3RS to the GT3 Clubsport package, if we are to determine price validity.

    If, indeed, the CS is too close to merit the 20k price difference, the RS' specs will, most likely be, targeting a US audience (which can be interpreted as a cost-effectiveness tactic by PAG, to make 1 RS model, both USA/ROW, in order to yeild more profits)

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    I had my name down for an RS.But I dont think it is worth Pounds15000 more than the standard GT3.If you get PCCB and the CF seats thats a pretty good saving and still Pounds5-6000 less than the RS.
    Shane

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    I have my name down too, but i think of waiting for the GT2. I used to have the 996 GT3 so not such a big change!

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    Aisxos said:
    I have my name down too, but i think of waiting for the GT2. I used to have the 996 GT3 so not such a big change!



    Wait for the GT2, so you don't feel like it's slower than your F430.

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    A prediction:

    A drive in the RS will make believers out of us all.

    Porsche always pulls the rabbit out of the hat!

    Now the waiting begins!

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

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    cnc said:
    A prediction:

    A drive in the RS will make believers out of us all.

    Porsche always pulls the rabbit out of the hat!

    Now the waiting begins!



    You're right about that... on paper, porsche do perform worse than in real life
    -Joost-

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    CNC and Joost, you may be right, but I don't understand Porsche's reasoning for that.

    If you have a good product why undermine/undersell yourself?

    Re: GT3 RS - Great Product or Rip-Off? (POLL)

    In short it has to do with Germany's very strict "truth in advertising laws"...If you say the car can do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds, then "anyone" better be able to do that...that's why the tend to be on the very conservative side...

     
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