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    Curious about how 997 owners financed their car, i.e if the car was financed (how many years) or bought outright with no financing. And if bought outright, how long did it take to squirrel away the money, and or is there that much disposable income to plunk down 100K. As for me, Im in finance mode for 3 years.

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    I kind of think you should not finance luxury items and if you do you can not really afford them . With that said I financed every Porsche I have ever bought .

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    Spending 100K all at once is an option, but I preferred to finance 0 down 84months at 7.99%. I figure I can keep my money somewhere else and make more than 7.99% a year. This is the first time I get the nerve to make such a move so I could be wrong.

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    What kind of risk are you willing to take to make more than 7.99%?

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    may I be sold bold as to ask what the monthly is on that?

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    I financed 29% of the purchase price for 5 years at 5.95%. I took delivery on February 20 of this year. The monthly payments are easy to handle. The personal property taxes in Virginia are a real killer, adding about 40% to my monthly cost.

    I would have waited to save up the full amount, but I feared that the U.S. dollar would drop so much in the next year or two that I wouldn't be able to get one. So I decided I better get the car now. I could have saved up enough to pay for it outright, assuming 3-4% annual price increases, by the late fall of 2007 - the 2008 model year.

    I'm glad I did it now - it's worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Jim

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    Paid cash. As a self employed person, business goes up and down with the economy. Unlike some professions I cannot predict my cash flow in the future. So, I do not finance any purchase. This way, when cash flow is bad, there is no extra or added stres from debt payments.

    But I know of friends that never save a dime, make lots of money every year and live to the max. They borrow for everything and never seem to get in trouble. Everyone is different. If you can easily afford the payments, why not?

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    Good point. If I didn't have a highly predictable cash flow, I would have bitten the bullet and saved another 1 and 1/2 - 2 years.

    Jim

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    finance, the USD is soo weak now - you can probably hedge against the interest just by putting the rest of the money into a foreign currency LOL

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    My fuzzy math tells me if you have the 100K to purchase the car, paying for it may not be a good idea . I can get a zero down payment $100,000 loan for 7% for 5 years, total cost is $1980.12/month or $118,807.19 for 5 years. I can also get a 6.0% 5 year CD at my credit union which yields me $130,000 after 5 years, so if my fuzzy math serves me well, I would have made $11,193 if I finance it vs, paying outright, or in other words get the 997S for free over the standard 997.

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    About $1600 a month.

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    chapse said:
    My fuzzy math tells me if you have the 100K to purchase the car, paying for it may not be a good idea . I can get a zero down payment $100,000 loan for 7% for 5 years, total cost is $1980.12/month or $118,807.19 for 5 years. I can also get a 6.0% 5 year CD at my credit union which yields me $130,000 after 5 years, so if my fuzzy math serves me well, I would have made $11,193 if I finance it vs, paying outright, or in other words get the 997S for free over the standard 997.



    You are forgetting taxes on the CD... Buying cash is better in this case.

    Also you are compounding the interest on the CD, but you need to shell out the loan payments every month. If you were taking the loan payments out of the CD every month, no more compounding. Even without the tax argument, the interest rate is higher on the loan (sorry if I lost a few people in the process of this boring paragraph).

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    SciFrog said:
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    chapse said:
    My fuzzy math tells me if you have the 100K to purchase the car, paying for it may not be a good idea . I can get a zero down payment $100,000 loan for 7% for 5 years, total cost is $1980.12/month or $118,807.19 for 5 years. I can also get a 6.0% 5 year CD at my credit union which yields me $130,000 after 5 years, so if my fuzzy math serves me well, I would have made $11,193 if I finance it vs, paying outright, or in other words get the 997S for free over the standard 997.



    You are forgetting taxes on the CD... Buying cash is better in this case.

    Also you are compounding the interest on the CD, but you need to shell out the loan payments every month. If you were taking the loan payments out of the CD every month, no more compounding. Even without the tax argument, the interest rate is higher on the loan (sorry if I lost a few people in the process of this boring paragraph).


    chapse, good news in one regard- your $100K 5-year 6% CD would grow to about $135K if compounded daily (~$1K less if compounded annually), but SciFrog is right- you have to consider taxes.
    If the interest is taxed at 30%, it's about a wash versus your total hit on 60-month financing.

    I paid about half of my 997S purchase price as down payment, financed the other half at 5% over 36 months.

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    It's not the taxes, it's the compunding. You are comparing an appreciating asset (CD) with no cash outflows versus a depreciating asset (911) with monthly outflows. If your point is to compare what you would have after 5 years, then you are correct, a CD worth $135k or a 911 that cost $118k but worth an estimated $45k. The difference is your cost of living. I have a 3 year e-loan at 4.5% with 50% down. I can easily find investments that will yield an after tax profit of 4.5%

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    First you can't find 4.5% car loans anymore, even the US governement borrows higher than that.

    Second 4.5% after tax profits, you can find, but with what kind of risk profile? Not zero risk for sure.

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    If the interest is taxed at 30%, it's about a wash versus your total hit on 60-month financing.


    Not if you include the financing of the 2K a month you need to pony up to pay the loan...

    Let me put this another way: there is no way to borrow money and invest it at a higher rate with the same risk profile. Financial markets are very efficient, and banks make tons charging consumers when they make mistakes like all that has been posted above. And this is even before considering tax aspects, the governement takes his share too...

    Sorry but no chance to "stick it to the man".

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    Or you could find a way to write it off. I (my company) had to spend $$$ in 2005 so I did a single pay lease and plan on financing the residual in three years. Saved over $22000 right away.

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    Not quite sure why they kept that "loophole" for small business owners. Maybe they feel that it intices them to cheat less somewhere else

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    Just playin' by the current rules.

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    You are forgetting taxes on the CD... Buying cash is better in this case.

    Also you are compounding the interest on the CD, but you need to shell out the loan payments every month. If you were taking the loan payments out of the CD every month, no more compounding. Even without the tax argument, the interest rate is higher on the loan (sorry if I lost a few people in the process of this boring paragraph).



    Taxes on the CD are mostly offset by the interest on the loan (on the assumption one has a taxable income) on the assumption your in the 25% tax bracket , you still wind up with 8K free. The interest rate on the loan is higher, but you need to understand that the total interest is being paid on the priciple which is decreased as the loan is being paid. Everyone uses the exact same principles when buying a home, i.e. never use your own cash, if you have the cash and can still afford the monthly payments,

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    chapse said:
    The interest rate on the loan is higher, but you need to understand that the total interest is being paid on the priciple which is decreased as the loan is being paid.



    Correct, but this is offset if you include the fact that you need to shell out the loan payment every month right from the start to pay not only interest but mostly principal. If you paid cash, you could get interest on the 2K you didn't have to pay every month.

    Another way to put things is imagine that you need to take 2K out of the CD every month to pay for the loan, still think you will get 30K+ interest at the end of the CD?

    Also don't forget that taxes on the CD are paid annually, thus reducing the compounding on the CD.

    To make a full analysis, you need to consider all cash flows and their date and discount them all to a certain point in time. Everybody's case will be slightly different but bottom line is that at equal interest rate, if you have to pay taxes on the CD, you are better off paying cash if you don't need the money for something else.

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    If the scenario is that you'd use the 100M to pay for the 6% car loan, then you must invest in at least 8% (assuming 25% tax bracket) to cover the loan. Payment would be deducted from the investment acct monthly so CD's are out.

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    The Cost of my 997C4S with all the extra equipment was of 110000 euro. I financed around 45000 euro with a 4 year Porsche multi-option contract BUT I forced my local Porsche dealer to sign a re-purchase contract of my Car if I decide to sell my Porsche when my multi-option expires.

    I did to be sure that, if in 4 years my business is not profitable any more (you never know), I wont be owing money because of a car.

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    Correct, but this is offset if you include the fact that you need to shell out the loan payment every month right from the start to pay not only interest but mostly principal. If you paid cash, you could get interest on the 2K you didn't have to pay every month.

    Another way to put things is imagine that you need to take 2K out of the CD every month to pay for the loan, still think you will get 30K+ interest at the end of the CD?

    Also don't forget that taxes on the CD are paid annually, thus reducing the compounding on the CD.

    To make a full analysis, you need to consider all cash flows and their date and discount them all to a certain point in time. Everybody's case will be slightly different but bottom line is that at equal interest rate, if you have to pay taxes on the CD, you are better off paying cash if you don't need the money for something else.




    Not to beat a dead horse here BUT.
    1. assumption is you have 100K in cash.
    2. You can afford monthly payments of 2K/month without touching your 100K in cash (whatever one does with it)
    So what is better, keeping the cash or financing, there are so many incorrect assumptions/views that, caveat emptor, and I know what I would do BUT on the bright side, you would still have a 997S no matter what kind of financial moves were made.

     
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