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Apr 25, 2006 11:27:51 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002

The issue may be bigger than Porsche thinks.

I was in a restaurant this afternoon and two men in their 40's are seated next to my table. They were articulate ,well dressed and obviously successful.

They got on the subject of cars and one started to discuss buying a Boxster. However, he indicated he had concerns because the car was not perceived as a "true" Porsche. Also, he has noticed a lot more women driving Boxsters.

The other individual responded by agreeing with his concerns and added it did not make sense to buy a Carrera because they all look alike and there appeared to be a ton of them on the road. They went on a discuss other cars which I will not mention.

These guy's are Porsches' target audience and if they feel that way where is the company headed?

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Apr 25, 2006 11:40:39 PM

JMShrink: Pilot; Loc: California; Posts: 395, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 12, 2005; Reply to: nberry

Re: The issue may be bigger than Porsche thinks.

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nberry said:
I was in a restaurant this afternoon and two men in their 40's are seated next to my table. They were articulate ,well dressed and obviously successful.

They got on the subject of cars and one started to discuss buying a Boxster. However, he indicated he had concerns because the car was not perceived as a "true" Porsche. Also, he has noticed a lot more women driving Boxsters.

The other individual responded by agreeing with his concerns and added it did not make sense to buy a Carrera because they all look alike and there appeared to be a ton of them on the road. They went on a discuss other cars which I will not mention.

These guy's are Porsches' target audience and if they feel that way where is the company headed?

I wouldn't be surprised if you almost choked on your chicken McNugget when you overheard this one Nick..

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Apr 26, 2006 12:01:55 AM

nicholas j: Senior; Loc: Upstate New York , United States; Posts: 646, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 23, 2004; Reply to: JMShrink

Re: The issue may be bigger than Porsche thinks.

I was thinking the same thing JM!

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Apr 26, 2006 12:29:12 AM

JP66: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Seattle , United States; Posts: 2217, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2003; Reply to: JMShrink

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your chicken McNugget

HAHAHA LMAO

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Apr 26, 2006 12:42:11 AM

icon: Pilot; Loc: birmingham.al.usa.na; Posts: 442, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 13, 2006; Reply to: nberry

The issue may be bigger than Porsche thinks.

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nberry said:
I was in a restaurant this afternoon and two men in their 40's are seated next to my table. They were articulate ,well dressed and obviously successful.

They got on the subject of cars and one started to discuss buying a Boxster. However, he indicated he had concerns because the car was not perceived as a "true" Porsche. Also, he has noticed a lot more women driving Boxsters.

The other individual responded by agreeing with his concerns and added it did not make sense to buy a Carrera because they all look alike and there appeared to be a ton of them on the road. They went on a discuss other cars which I will not mention.

These guy's are Porsches' target audience and if they feel that way where is the company headed?

man, we fooled you!

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Apr 26, 2006 1:59:27 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: icon

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i was likewise sitting in a restaurant, and i too overheard two posers talking about a ferrari.. they particuarly wanted something to "pick up chicks" as they called it. and they agreed that it had to turn heads and be very loud, while at the same time making an statement to all other road users, saying something like: im better than you

thats when i realized that i dont want a farrari and remembered two girls talking about the ride of their life in a boxster!!! LOL

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Apr 26, 2006 2:18:00 AM

SVNSVN: Rennteam Pro; Loc: CA, USA; Posts: 2994, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2005; Reply to: JMShrink

Re: The issue may be bigger than Porsche thinks.

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nberry said:
I was in a restaurant this afternoon and two men in their 40's are seated next to my table. They were articulate ,well dressed and obviously successful.

They got on the subject of cars and one started to discuss buying a Boxster. However, he indicated he had concerns because the car was not perceived as a "true" Porsche. Also, he has noticed a lot more women driving Boxsters.

The other individual responded by agreeing with his concerns and added it did not make sense to buy a Carrera because they all look alike and there appeared to be a ton of them on the road. They went on a discuss other cars which I will not mention.

These guy's are Porsches' target audience and if they feel that way where is the company headed?

I wouldn't be surprised if you almost choked on your chicken McNugget when you overheard this one Nick..

More like choke his chicken!

B.F.D.- they obviously don't know what they're talking about.

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Apr 26, 2006 2:28:32 AM

DavidSF: Senior; Loc:; Posts: 525, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2003; Reply to: SVNSVN

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I was in a restaurant this afternoon and two men in their 40's are seated next to my table. They were articulate ,well dressed and obviously successful.

They got on the subject of cars and one started to discuss buying a Boxster. However, he indicated he had concerns because the car was not perceived as a "true" Porsche. Also, he has noticed a lot more women driving Boxsters.

The other individual responded by agreeing with his concerns and added it did not make sense to buy a Carrera because they all look alike and there appeared to be a ton of them on the road. They went on a discuss other cars which I will not mention.

These guy's are Porsches' target audience and if they feel that way where is the company headed?

I wouldn't be surprised if you almost choked on your chicken McNugget when you overheard this one Nick..

More like choke his chicken!

B.F.D.- they obviously don't know what they're talking about.

Nick's a ball buster. Perhaps in more ways than one.

As for the Boxster not being a real Porsche, hey, it's got the same engine (M96), albeit smaller, as the 911.

David

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Apr 26, 2006 2:44:30 AM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: DavidSF

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So these two guys can't tell a Boxster for a 911 yet talk at length about cars. Yet I would bet they can tell the difference between all the Mercedes from a mile away which all look alike even more.

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Apr 26, 2006 3:32:29 AM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: SciFrog

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Hey, I am only reporting what I heard. I don't agree with the Boxster not being a True Porsche but I agree the Carrera has been exploited beyond recognition between models.

BTW just to set the record straight. I am not a McDonald person. Starbucks YES!

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Apr 26, 2006 3:34:18 AM

MKW: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States; Posts: 2491, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2002; Reply to: nberry

Re: The issue may be bigger than Porsche thinks.

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nberry said:
I was in a restaurant this afternoon and two men in their 40's are seated next to my table. They were articulate ,well dressed and obviously successful.

They got on the subject of cars and one started to discuss buying a Boxster. However, he indicated he had concerns because the car was not perceived as a "true" Porsche. Also, he has noticed a lot more women driving Boxsters.

The other individual responded by agreeing with his concerns and added it did not make sense to buy a Carrera because they all look alike and there appeared to be a ton of them on the road. They went on a discuss other cars which I will not mention.

These guy's are Porsches' target audience and if they feel that way where is the company headed?

They are the PERFECT Ferrari customer - so insecure that they worry about how they would look in a car, not how it drives on a nice day on a winding road , where even a Miata could be a blast. Good one, Nick.

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Apr 26, 2006 3:34:52 AM

Ryan in SD: Senior; Loc: San Diego; Posts: 604, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 14, 2004; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: The issue may be bigger than Porsche thinks.

You wont tell us what car they discussed next? WHY? Will that throw off the legitimacy of these individuals opinions?

Lemme guess.....mustang GT?

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Apr 26, 2006 4:31:48 AM

JMShrink: Pilot; Loc: California; Posts: 395, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 12, 2005; Reply to: nberry

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Hey, I am only reporting what I heard.

I object counsel! That's hearsay..

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Apr 26, 2006 5:01:51 AM

SVNSVN: Rennteam Pro; Loc: CA, USA; Posts: 2994, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2005; Reply to: JMShrink

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I object too! Based on speculation (that Porsche has a problem or "issue").

Just another example of Nick's wishful thinking!

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Apr 26, 2006 7:03:35 AM

BC: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Cape Town , South Africa; Posts: 2586, Gallery; Registered on: May 19, 2005; Reply to: JMShrink

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Hey, I am only reporting what I heard.

I object counsel! That's hearsay..

lol

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Apr 26, 2006 8:09:16 AM

ha: Expert; Loc: Riyadh , Saudi Arabia; Posts: 1695, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2003; Reply to: BC

Re: The issue may be bigger than Porsche thinks.

Nick, are you a Masochist?!

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Apr 26, 2006 8:26:16 AM

icon: Pilot; Loc: birmingham.al.usa.na; Posts: 442, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 13, 2006; Reply to: ha

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Nick, are you a Masochist?!

more like sadomasochist!

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Apr 26, 2006 8:42:43 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: nberry

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nick, you actually like starbucks? You must know very little about REALLY good coffee.

I buy my beans from a fantastic company in Covent Garden called Drury Tea & Coffee. My favourite is called 'Siena Riserva' (8 parts arabica to 1 part robusta). They're the beans used by Gordon Ramsay in all his restaurants (he's a Michelin 3 star chef in the UK). Anyway, I mill my own beans (one should NEVER 'grind' coffee) fresh to the right coarseness and then I make perfect espresso (in my Gaggia coffee machine). I was taught by a Master Barista from Gaggia (a guy that trains other Baristas).

Starbucks is watery rubbish. Can't believe you actually admit to liking that stuff.

Here in the UK, the only chain that sells half decent coffee is Costa. Their Mocha Italia beans are good.

Hey, my 1000th post. And it's not about cars

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Apr 26, 2006 9:06:10 AM

Porsche-Jeck: Rennteam Master; Loc: Rheinland , Germany; Posts: 4856, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 27, 2005; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Hey Easy, your post perfectly explains why the two guys Nick reported about are NOT Porsche's target audience - they are simply no enthusiasts (neither regarding sportscars nor regardinng coffee or any other good things in life

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As for the Starbucks stuff: reminds me of the old joke about american beer. What's the difference between making love in a canoe and American beer ? Well, there is none - both times just f...ing close to water

Couldn't resist - and of course there are exceptions to the rule - like a good Sam Adams

Nick's theory about Porsche getting into trouble reminds me of those financial analysts who always claim that somewhen the sky will fall down. Of course at the end they're always right, because it's always a matter of time only when the next financial crisis will occur (maybe within 5 or 10 or 50 years - who knows). But then they can refer to their old predictions and will say: I've told you so !
It's the same with Nick - at the end of the days he will be right. Maybe in twenty years, when Nick has retired and will be sitting in the back of an S-class Merc - driven by a Pro chauffeur

- Porsche's factory will be detroyed by a big fire (god may prevent Porsche from this) and Nick will have his big day posting a new thread on Rennteam with the title "I've told you so - Porsche is in deep sh..t".

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Apr 26, 2006 9:17:34 AM

ha: Expert; Loc: Riyadh , Saudi Arabia; Posts: 1695, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2003; Reply to: nberry

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I was in "McKabob" this afternoon and two nomads in their 40's were seated on the floor next to me. They were ugly, dirty and obviously stinky.

They got on the subject of camels and one started to discuss buying a Two Humps. However, he indicated he had concerns because the animal was not perceived as a "true" camel .Also, he has noticed a lot more tourists riding them.

The other individual responded by agreeing with his concerns and added it did not make sense to buy a One Hump because they all look alike and there appeared to be a ton of them in the desert. They went on to discuss other mammals which I will not mention.

These guy's are Desert Warriors and if they feel that way where is the camel headed?

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Apr 26, 2006 9:44:22 AM

icon: Pilot; Loc: birmingham.al.usa.na; Posts: 442, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 13, 2006; Reply to: Porsche-Jeck

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It's the same with Nick - at the end of the days he will be right. Maybe in twenty years, when Nick has retired and will be sitting in the back of an S-class Merc - driven by a Pro chauffeur - Porsche's factory will be detroyed by a big fire (god may prevent Porsche from this) and Nick will have his big day posting a new thread on Rennteam with the title "I've told you so - Porsche is in deep sh..t".

LOL!

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Apr 26, 2006 9:45:53 AM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: ha

Re: The issue may be bigger than Porsche thinks.

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ha said:
I was in "McKabob" this afternoon and two nomads in their 40's were seated on the floor next to me. They were ugly, dirty and obviously stinky.

They got on the subject of camels and one started to discuss buying a Two Humps. However, he indicated he had concerns because the animal was not perceived as a "true" camel .Also, he has noticed a lot more tourists riding them.

The other individual responded by agreeing with his concerns and added it did not make sense to buy a One Hump because they all look alike and there appeared to be a ton of them in the desert. They went on to discuss other mammals which I will not mention.

These guy's are Desert Warriors and if they feel that way where is the camel headed?

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Apr 26, 2006 10:03:32 AM

SoCal Alan: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Orange County , United States; Posts: 7268, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 6, 2004; Reply to: ha

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ha said:
I was in "McKabob" this afternoon and two nomads in their 40's were seated on the floor next to me. They were ugly, dirty and obviously stinky.

They got on the subject of camels and one started to discuss buying a Two Humps. However, he indicated he had concerns because the animal was not perceived as a "true" camel .Also, he has noticed a lot more tourists riding them.

The other individual responded by agreeing with his concerns and added it did not make sense to buy a One Hump because they all look alike and there appeared to be a ton of them in the desert. They went on to discuss other mammals which I will not mention.

These guy's are Desert Warriors and if they feel that way where is the camel headed?

You crack me up.

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Apr 26, 2006 10:10:39 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: Porsche-Jeck

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Thanks Porsche-Jeck.

My post was not just intended to show how poor Starbucks coffee is but (as you pointed out subtly) that people who buy Porsches can be very picky and demanding not just in cars but in all other things in life e.g. coffee.

BTW, I missed out a few tips for all you coffee aficionados!

When you buy coffee, either milled fresh (make sure the coarseness is for 'espresso use' only) or whole beans, make sure they vacuum seal it and don't just pack it in a non-airtight bag, container or tin.

When you get home, freeze it. Coffee in a vacuum sealed bag lasts a maximum of 9 months. If you freeze it, you keep the freshness and flavour for up to 2 years.

When you take it out of the freezer, don't worry - no need to thaw/defrost it. It doesn't contain water! You just mill it directly. Remember, at least 6-7 grams per cup!

Make sure your filter holder in your espresso machine is really hot and your cups are warm too so that the coffee doesn't cool too quickly.

Happy coffee drinking!

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Apr 26, 2006 3:20:01 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Thanks Porsche-Jeck.

My post was not just intended to show how poor Starbucks coffee is but (as you pointed out subtly) that people who buy Porsches can be very picky and demanding not just in cars but in all other things in life e.g. coffee.

BTW, I missed out a few tips for all you coffee aficionados!

When you buy coffee, either milled fresh (make sure the coarseness is for 'espresso use' only) or whole beans, make sure they vacuum seal it and don't just pack it in a non-airtight bag, container or tin.

When you get home, freeze it. Coffee in a vacuum sealed bag lasts a maximum of 9 months. If you freeze it, you keep the freshness and flavour for up to 2 years.

When you take it out of the freezer, don't worry - no need to thaw/defrost it. It doesn't contain water! You just mill it directly. Remember, at least 6-7 grams per cup!

Make sure your filter holder in your espresso machine is really hot and your cups are warm too so that the coffee doesn't cool too quickly.

Happy coffee drinking!

Oh my, freezing fresh whole bean coffee? I don't think so. You Brit's should stick to tea.

I have my coffee flown in from Hawaii every month. It is from the Koa coffee plantation their special reserve blend. I "mill" it each morning. BTW, serving it in a warm cup is a another fallacy. A good coffee cup is all that is required. No plastic or synthetic materials.

Regarding the comments from the two I overheard, I did recognize they were not into the performance issue but the marque. Porsche is targeting these people and if they have these concerns so should Porsche.

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Apr 26, 2006 3:55:59 PM

zzboba: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Germany; Posts: 3115, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: nberry

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nberry said:

I have my coffee flown in from Hawaii every month. It is from the Koa coffee plantation their special reserve blend. I "mill" it each morning. BTW, serving it in a warm cup is a another fallacy. A good coffee cup is all that is required. No plastic or synthetic materials.

this is getting O.T., but actually i order my coffee in the US, from www.peets.com -- excellent! best coffee i know. arabian mocha sanani and major dickason's blend are my favorites.

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Apr 26, 2006 4:06:04 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: zzboba

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nberry said:

I have my coffee flown in from Hawaii every month. It is from the Koa coffee plantation their special reserve blend. I "mill" it each morning. BTW, serving it in a warm cup is a another fallacy. A good coffee cup is all that is required. No plastic or synthetic materials.

this is getting O.T., but actually i order my coffee in the US, from www.peets.com -- excellent! best coffee i know. arabian mocha sanani and major dickason's blend are my favorites.

Good coffee and good cars go hand to hand. Here is a coffee you should consider. Peets is not in the same league.

http://www.koacoffee.com/

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Apr 26, 2006 4:27:14 PM

zzboba: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Germany; Posts: 3115, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: nberry

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nberry said:

Good coffee and good cars go hand to hand. Here is a coffee you should consider. Peets is not in the same league.

http://www.koacoffee.com/

thanks -- seems very promising. since they do international shipping i ordered 2 "triple packs" right away. i'm quite curious.

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Apr 26, 2006 4:52:06 PM

luke: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 124, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 6, 2003; Reply to: JMShrink

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I wouldn't be surprised if you almost choked on your chicken McNugget when you overheard this one Nick..

Brilliant

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Apr 26, 2006 4:56:17 PM

sdy284: Expert; Loc: Wisconsin, USA; Posts: 1348, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2005; Reply to: nberry

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Good coffee and good cars go hand to hand.

so 1 out of 2 ain't bad!

couldn't resist

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