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nberry said:
I will acknowledge that Von Saurma has familiarity with the Ring. But to conclude Von Saurma is able to extract the best time for all the cars he drives on the Ring is just plain nonsense. If that was the case, all car manufacturer's would turn their cars over to him. We all know that is not the case.

Of course, this is coming from someone that is clueless.

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nicholas j said:
The Z06 is fast, but it's still a Chevrolet. The interior is cheap with way too much plastic.Safety features? Forget it. Air bags and that's it. "You get what you pay for" certainly applies here.

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MKSGR said:

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JimFlat6 said:

Actually I dont think that the current Z06 is any real concern for Porsche. The next one, the C7 Z06, is. The
new LS9 DOHC engine,better suspension,steering system,
interior, could be a royal pain in the butt for PCNA
sales.

I think, even the Z06 might be a problem for Porsche.

I will not buy a 997TT or any of its derivatives if it should be slower than a Corvette. If I spend far in excess of Euro 150k for a new sportscar it has to be the fastest available. No need for expensive underperformers (like the Carrera GT was).

Expensive underperformer? Are you kidding me? The CGT holds the lap record for production cars at the ring. The fact that ferrari has not tested the Enzo there should raise more than a few eyeballs. If you go by Porsche's claimed straight line specs then maybe yo could call it an underperformer ( they said 0-60 in 3.9 yeah...in the wet, most mags tested it at 3.5) however it could almost match the Enzo's straight line pace and it handled better. By the way the spectacular enzo 0-60 times were acheived with launch control which could only be used 6 times for the life of the clutch. I know this is a rant, but don't ever disrespect the greatest car of all time (imo).

Just to name some examples:

- the official 0-200 kph time has not been confirmed in any German magazin test I know. All cars tested were slower.
- the 0-300 kph time is ca. 8 seconds slower (!) than the comparable Enzo number; even the SLR is several seconds quicker 0-300 than the GT...
- 7:32 is only about 10 seconds better than the GT2 Mk2 figure; also, cars designed and built by small niche players like Koenigsegg or Pagani are as quick or even quicker on the NBR.

I really consider the GT an underperformer for its price

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Hurst said:
As for the Zonda F and Koneigsegg, they are quite a bit more expensive than the CGT

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Hurst said:
As for the Zonda F and Koneigsegg, they are quite a bit more expensive than the CGT

Would you expect potential buyers to notice the price difference

I think all three cars are quite expensive. Whether its Euro 450k or 600k should not make a huge difference. Should it?

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964C2 said:
Here's a question to ponder, if the C6-Z06 and 997 C2S were the same price, either the price of the Z06 or the price of the Porsche, which would you buy??
I would buy the Porsche in either case.....

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964C2 said:
Here's a question to ponder, if the C6-Z06 and 997 C2S were the same price, either the price of the Z06 or the price of the Porsche, which would you buy??
I would buy the Porsche in either case.....

But there not...that is the point. Also, we are on a Porsche forum, so the answer most here will say is Porsche, go to a Corvette forum and you'll see the same type of responses, but for Corvette. I think you need an unbiased forum to get a real world answer.

Personally, I am going to say a vette stricly on it's performance advantage, mostly because I have no care for luxury or interior materials.

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SciFrog said:
Not only the cachet, they still have some of the best packages if not just performance. Porsche has never sold as many cars as the recent years, why would they lower their price? Obviously various people have various values. But until Porsche sales drop a lot, their cars are not overpriced, they actually might be too cheap. Take the 997TT for example, some its competitors are much more expensive (F430, DB9/Vanquish, Gallardo, SL55) and some are cheaper but don't offer anything close to the TT package (SL/CLS500, M5/6, Audi RS*, Z06, Maserati).

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DamienL said:
Is it worth twice the price of a ZO6 without the Porsche badge? I doubt it.

I think prestige has a huge influence on prices.

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SciFrog said:

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DamienL said:
Is it worth twice the price of a ZO6 without the Porsche badge? I doubt it.

I think prestige has a huge influence on prices.

Bottom line: prestige has an influence on the price. But what is prestige? Having your heart race faster just looking or sitting in a car? Big grin on your face everytime you turn they ignition. Obviously, the market tells you there is a price for it. Sadly most of us can't afford it. And at the prestige game, Porsche is not the worst "value", it actually might just be the cheapest one

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DamienL said:

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SciFrog said:

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DamienL said:
Is it worth twice the price of a ZO6 without the Porsche badge? I doubt it.

I think prestige has a huge influence on prices.

Bottom line: prestige has an influence on the price. But what is prestige? Having your heart race faster just looking or sitting in a car? Big grin on your face everytime you turn they ignition. Obviously, the market tells you there is a price for it. Sadly most of us can't afford it. And at the prestige game, Porsche is not the worst "value", it actually might just be the cheapest one

I agree.
To obtain prestige, I think a certain image must be achieved through past achievement. It's a strong reputation built up by heritage, exclusivity, pleasure, etc. All of these things can make your heart race faster, or put a big grin on your face.

Actually, there was a recent study done on prestigious cars. Guess who won?

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/04/13/003900.html

I guess Ferrari wasn't included since they are such a low volume manufacturer, otherwise I think the results would have been different.

On the topic of the Ferrari, which is probably the best example of how prestige influences prices, I remember some years ago I visited a Ferrari dealer with some friends to see the new at the time 360. Upon hearing the price, one of my friends asked the salesman who would buy the car, and salesman simply responded, "Someone who can." He then asked the seemingly obvious question as to why someone would buy the 360 as opposed to another cheaper, similarly performing car, and the salesman quickly responded, "Those other cars are fast, but they aren't Ferraris." While that comment may have sounded a little arrogant, it was very true.

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DamienL said:
We all have different values. Prestige means absolutely nothing to many as you have just demonstrated.

I've driven quite a few fast cars, but always come back to Porsche. I think they have a nice balance of all things that make a sportscar great and fun to drive, which is more important to me than outright speed. I openly admit (there's no way I can possibly deny it) that your Z will blow any current Porsche off the road. I doubt that even the new Turbo wouldn't be able to loose you.
So I'll make you a deal: next time I'm driving a 'prestigemobile' and see you in your ZO6, instead of challenging you because my car has a better name, I'll smile and give you a thumbs up, the same as I do to everyone who drives an awesome car.

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DamienL said:

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SciFrog said:

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DamienL said:
Is it worth twice the price of a ZO6 without the Porsche badge? I doubt it.

I think prestige has a huge influence on prices.

Bottom line: prestige has an influence on the price. But what is prestige? Having your heart race faster just looking or sitting in a car? Big grin on your face everytime you turn they ignition. Obviously, the market tells you there is a price for it. Sadly most of us can't afford it. And at the prestige game, Porsche is not the worst "value", it actually might just be the cheapest one

I agree.
To obtain prestige, I think a certain image must be achieved through past achievement. It's a strong reputation built up by heritage, exclusivity, pleasure, etc. All of these things can make your heart race faster, or put a big grin on your face.

Actually, there was a recent study done on prestigious cars. Guess who won?

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/04/13/003900.html

I guess Ferrari wasn't included since they are such a low volume manufacturer, otherwise I think the results would have been different.

On the topic of the Ferrari, which is probably the best example of how prestige influences prices, I remember some years ago I visited a Ferrari dealer with some friends to see the new at the time 360. Upon hearing the price, one of my friends asked the salesman who would buy the car, and salesman simply responded, "Someone who can." He then asked the seemingly obvious question as to why someone would buy the 360 as opposed to another cheaper, similarly performing car, and the salesman quickly responded, "Those other cars are fast, but they aren't Ferraris." While that comment may have sounded a little arrogant, it was very true.

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DamienL said:
We all have different values. Prestige means absolutely nothing to many as you have just demonstrated.

I've driven quite a few fast cars, but always come back to Porsche. I think they have a nice balance of all things that make a sportscar great and fun to drive, which is more important to me than outright speed. I openly admit (there's no way I can possibly deny it) that your Z will blow any current Porsche off the road. I doubt that even the new Turbo wouldn't be able to loose you.
So I'll make you a deal: next time I'm driving a 'prestigemobile' and see you in your ZO6, instead of challenging you because my car has a better name, I'll smile and give you a thumbs up, the same as I do to everyone who drives an awesome car.

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SciFrog said:Well for $50K extra you get AWD, a much nicer customizable interior, a much safer car, a much more evovled design...

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RonnieC6Z said:

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DamienL said:

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SciFrog said:

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DamienL said:
Is it worth twice the price of a ZO6 without the Porsche badge? I doubt it.

I think prestige has a huge influence on prices.

Bottom line: prestige has an influence on the price. But what is prestige? Having your heart race faster just looking or sitting in a car? Big grin on your face everytime you turn they ignition. Obviously, the market tells you there is a price for it. Sadly most of us can't afford it. And at the prestige game, Porsche is not the worst "value", it actually might just be the cheapest one

I agree.
To obtain prestige, I think a certain image must be achieved through past achievement. It's a strong reputation built up by heritage, exclusivity, pleasure, etc. All of these things can make your heart race faster, or put a big grin on your face.

Actually, there was a recent study done on prestigious cars. Guess who won?

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/04/13/003900.html

I guess Ferrari wasn't included since they are such a low volume manufacturer, otherwise I think the results would have been different.

On the topic of the Ferrari, which is probably the best example of how prestige influences prices, I remember some years ago I visited a Ferrari dealer with some friends to see the new at the time 360. Upon hearing the price, one of my friends asked the salesman who would buy the car, and salesman simply responded, "Someone who can." He then asked the seemingly obvious question as to why someone would buy the 360 as opposed to another cheaper, similarly performing car, and the salesman quickly responded, "Those other cars are fast, but they aren't Ferraris." While that comment may have sounded a little arrogant, it was very true.

Prestige and a buck-fifty buys a cup of coffee. Here in So Cal, Porsches are a dime a dozen and F-Cars, L-Cars and the such can be seen all the time. I like my Z because when I or anyone else looks at it, the one word that does NOT come to mind is prestige. Prestige does not put a smile on my face. What does is when I am on the road and some dude in his "prestigemobile" wants to run, I accept the challenge and then procede to blow his doors off. The look on his face is just priceless. And its all in good sporting fun.

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RonnieC6Z said:

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DamienL said:

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SciFrog said:

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DamienL said:
Is it worth twice the price of a ZO6 without the Porsche badge? I doubt it.

I think prestige has a huge influence on prices.

Bottom line: prestige has an influence on the price. But what is prestige? Having your heart race faster just looking or sitting in a car? Big grin on your face everytime you turn they ignition. Obviously, the market tells you there is a price for it. Sadly most of us can't afford it. And at the prestige game, Porsche is not the worst "value", it actually might just be the cheapest one

I agree.
To obtain prestige, I think a certain image must be achieved through past achievement. It's a strong reputation built up by heritage, exclusivity, pleasure, etc. All of these things can make your heart race faster, or put a big grin on your face.

Actually, there was a recent study done on prestigious cars. Guess who won?

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/04/13/003900.html

I guess Ferrari wasn't included since they are such a low volume manufacturer, otherwise I think the results would have been different.

On the topic of the Ferrari, which is probably the best example of how prestige influences prices, I remember some years ago I visited a Ferrari dealer with some friends to see the new at the time 360. Upon hearing the price, one of my friends asked the salesman who would buy the car, and salesman simply responded, "Someone who can." He then asked the seemingly obvious question as to why someone would buy the 360 as opposed to another cheaper, similarly performing car, and the salesman quickly responded, "Those other cars are fast, but they aren't Ferraris." While that comment may have sounded a little arrogant, it was very true.

Prestige and a buck-fifty buys a cup of coffee. Here in So Cal, Porsches are a dime a dozen and F-Cars, L-Cars and the such can be seen all the time. I like my Z because when I or anyone else looks at it, the one word that does NOT come to mind is prestige. Prestige does not put a smile on my face. What does is when I am on the road and some dude in his "prestigemobile" wants to run, I accept the challenge and then procede to blow his doors off. The look on his face is just priceless. And its all in good sporting fun.

LOL... hear in SoCal we call that "white trash"! I bet you also owned an IROC-Z at some point in your life. Do you still have it?