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Apr 8, 2006 5:08:37 AM
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Apr 8, 2006 7:45:25 PM
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Re: First Panamera spy shots
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Ron (Houston) said:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cf...mera-spy-photos
PHOTOSHOP, WORTH NOTHING!!!!
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Ron (Houston) said:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cf...mera-spy-photos
PHOTOSHOP, WORTH NOTHING!!!!
I think he knows that you know, he's not that d....
(I'm kidding you Ron
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Re: First Panamera spy shots
i don't see the point of that website posting those 'shots'
it seems either they got lazy and were looking for a scoop, or someone really messed up.
looks like a slightly modified cayenne, how can anyone know its a panamera mule?!
wider fenders (bah) 'insant giveaway?' i think not
it seems either they got lazy and were looking for a scoop, or someone really messed up.
looks like a slightly modified cayenne, how can anyone know its a panamera mule?!
wider fenders (bah) 'insant giveaway?' i think not
Re: First Panamera spy shots
I suspect the Panamera will be a conglamoration of all the other Porsche models given their corporate stated philosophy of parts sharing, engineering and styling.
I am sure there will be a lot of Cayenne in the car.
These photoshopped pictures look good to me and certainly I would consider buying one BUT FOR my concern of huge depreciation. I have no interest in lining Porsche's pockets at my expense.
I am sure there will be a lot of Cayenne in the car.
These photoshopped pictures look good to me and certainly I would consider buying one BUT FOR my concern of huge depreciation. I have no interest in lining Porsche's pockets at my expense.
Re: First Panamera spy shots
The Panamera project was given green light for almost a year ago and the Panamera(Cayenne) seem at worldcarfans is probably having its chassi and suspension tested.
Companies developing totally new modells usually camo the new model by using the body of an existing modell. Audi used this method last year when testing the up coming A5 coupe.
Companies developing totally new modells usually camo the new model by using the body of an existing modell. Audi used this method last year when testing the up coming A5 coupe.
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I suspect the Panamera will be a conglomeration of all the other Porsche models given their corporate stated philosophy of parts sharing, engineering and styling.
Can you state categorically that there is not one part in any Ferrari shared with a Fiat?
Re: First Panamera spy shots
I dont understand why porsche's strategy move to other type of cars such as cayenne or panarema or etc.
I dont mention Cayman or Boxster. But in my oppinion Cayenne maybe panarema in the future takes porsches reputation a little bit different
For example Cayenne(my ex was 05 S) It is fast , good road handling than Range Rover but not as comfortable and luxury like Range Rover. Than no such a big difference than a Range Rover. Also in same price area.
Panarema: I dont know but just guessing that Panarema will have about same HP area(except if thery produce a Pan Turbo) of new CLS 500 (388HP) and 650CI(367hp) and the performance will be same...Maybe slightly better.
Why does porsche want to be a larger company? Audi politics?? Porsche means 911, if they keep 911's soul it will be enough to remember porsche word....
I dont mention Cayman or Boxster. But in my oppinion Cayenne maybe panarema in the future takes porsches reputation a little bit different
For example Cayenne(my ex was 05 S) It is fast , good road handling than Range Rover but not as comfortable and luxury like Range Rover. Than no such a big difference than a Range Rover. Also in same price area.
Panarema: I dont know but just guessing that Panarema will have about same HP area(except if thery produce a Pan Turbo) of new CLS 500 (388HP) and 650CI(367hp) and the performance will be same...Maybe slightly better.
Why does porsche want to be a larger company? Audi politics?? Porsche means 911, if they keep 911's soul it will be enough to remember porsche word....
Apr 23, 2006 12:25:47 AM
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Apr 23, 2006 5:50:29 AM
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Re: First Panamera spy shots
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I dont understand why porsche's strategy move to other type of cars such as cayenne or panarema or etc.
I dont mention Cayman or Boxster. But in my oppinion Cayenne maybe panarema in the future takes porsches reputation a little bit different
For example Cayenne(my ex was 05 S) It is fast , good road handling than Range Rover but not as comfortable and luxury like Range Rover. Than no such a big difference than a Range Rover. Also in same price area.
Panarema: I dont know but just guessing that Panarema will have about same HP area(except if thery produce a Pan Turbo) of new CLS 500 (388HP) and 650CI(367hp) and the performance will be same...Maybe slightly better.
Why does porsche want to be a larger company? Audi politics?? Porsche means 911, if they keep 911's soul it will be enough to remember porsche word....
...it's because they no longer rule the roost in the performance category. Too much competition for them to be the big fish in the little pond. They need to be able to diversify while their brand still has meaning left. How long has it been since they left factory racing?
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VGA18 said:
I dont understand why porsche's strategy move to other type of cars such as cayenne or panarema or etc.
I dont mention Cayman or Boxster. But in my oppinion Cayenne maybe panarema in the future takes porsches reputation a little bit different
For example Cayenne(my ex was 05 S) It is fast , good road handling than Range Rover but not as comfortable and luxury like Range Rover. Than no such a big difference than a Range Rover. Also in same price area.
Panarema: I dont know but just guessing that Panarema will have about same HP area(except if thery produce a Pan Turbo) of new CLS 500 (388HP) and 650CI(367hp) and the performance will be same...Maybe slightly better.
Why does porsche want to be a larger company? Audi politics?? Porsche means 911, if they keep 911's soul it will be enough to remember porsche word....
It is all about money. Just look at the 911, the couple of thousands are sold every year but that car alone isn't enough to keep the manufacturer alive. Therefor Porsche has to diversify in order to keep their profit up. Personally I think that Porsche has diversified in a very beautiful way. I don't mind Porsche introducing new models as long as they are on top of the good chain and so far they have managed to produce cars with unbeatable driving characteristics.
I'm very postitive to the Panamera project and it will be what the world has been waiting for in decades, a proper four door sedan. It will probably beat cars like the M5, E55 and RS6 around any track and will instantly become an icon. Further more it is money that has come from the Cayenne's success that has made it able for Porsche to develop new cars like the Cayman and Panamera.
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Further more it is money that has come from the Cayenne's success that has made it able for Porsche to develop new cars like the Cayman and Panamera.
Without the Cayenne, the new 997 Turbo would probably be just an "improved" 996 Turbo, no VTG technology, no PTM, no...
I'm very thankful for the Cayenne and the Cayenne TUrbo is a blast to drive. Of course I'm not always happy with Porsche but I shouldn't complaint.
Apr 23, 2006 3:01:12 PM
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...it's because they no longer rule the roost in the performance category. Too much competition for them to be the big fish in the little pond. They need to be able to diversify while their brand still has meaning left. How long has it been since they left factory racing?
They lack in HP, not in performance.
Look at the AMV8, they built it to be on par with the performance of the 911 CS for $20,000 more. Result: slower despite more HP.
Porsche doesn't want to give into the HP war, they just try to top off the competition with just the right amount of HP. I like that philosophy, but to a certain point. And this is where they will loose some customers in the long run. Porsche's whole lineup under the 997TT/GT3 needs 30 more HP RIGHT NOW.
If you want massive HP (400+), get a Mercedes AMG or a Z06. They can be faster in straight line, but with brute force, not elegant.
Re: First Panamera spy shots
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so what would have to change for it to be more like the real thing that you can't know about?
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Well, that's the thing, Porsche doesn't need to do much about it. Add 10% more HP to the whole lineup and most complaints will go away. But in trying to maximaze profits, they of course fall a hair short of that. Sadly, very very smart move.
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