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Jan 15, 2013 11:24:18 PM

Futch: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: EU , United Kingdom; Posts: 4759, Gallery; Registered on: May 14, 2002

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Here she is, just flown in from NYC. Factory car. 1 of 10. Arguably one of the 3 most important 956 ever made.

Word champion with Stefan Bellof in 1984. Her history is like few other cars:

1983

1000 km de Fuji winner et pole

1000 km de Kyalami winner et pole

1984

1000 km de Monza winner et pole

1000 km de Silverstone 10th et 3eme temps

1000 km de Nurburgring winner et pole

1000 km de Mosport 4 eme et pole

1000 km de Spa winner et 3eme temps

1000 km de Fuji winner et pole

1000 km de Sandown winner et pole

1985

1000 km de Mugelo Test car

1000 km de Monza 2nd et 6 eme temps

1000 km de silverstone 2nd et 3 eme temps

24 H du Mans Test car

1000 km hockenheim test car

1000 km Fuji test car

1986

360 km monza test car

1000 km de Silverstone test car

24h du mans test car

The best sports car of the 80s, sitting alongside the best sports car of the 90s.

I know the 917 is a very important car for Porsche but their values have gone thru the roof. 956/ 962, not yet. The 962 is quicker car but the 956 is the one to collect, as Porsche only made 10 factory cars.

Quite simply the most successful sports car ever made, total domination of Group C from 1982 to 1992. 10 years!

I need to lie down now, can't even find the right words anymore.

Both cars leave for the continent later this month and I will drive them both on the track early March, impressions to follow.

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Jan 15, 2013 11:25:05 PM

Futch: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: EU , United Kingdom; Posts: 4759, Gallery; Registered on: May 14, 2002; Reply to: Futch

Jan 15, 2013 11:25:53 PM

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Jan 15, 2013 11:26:21 PM

Futch: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: EU , United Kingdom; Posts: 4759, Gallery; Registered on: May 14, 2002; Reply to: Futch

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Jan 15, 2013 11:27:31 PM

Futch: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: EU , United Kingdom; Posts: 4759, Gallery; Registered on: May 14, 2002; Reply to: Futch

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Jan 16, 2013 12:14:17 AM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21156, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Futch

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.............I'm speechless Fancho! angel congrats does not describe it!!!!!!!! wink

Is that the car that did the 6:11 in the Nring with Bellof in classifying? Smiley

Really looking foward to your driving impressions kiss

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Jan 16, 2013 1:17:34 AM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8861, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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Without a doubt you have the collection with the best historic value in all of RT ! Like Carlos said, congratulations just aren't enough. The car looks fantastic and having it parked alongside the F1 and Singer just brings out the fact that you are above and beyond just buying a lot of cars, this is a well curated compilation of works of art.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, thank you so much for shaing the experience with us.

wink

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Jan 16, 2013 1:23:42 AM

Pentium: Rennteam Master; Loc: Earth , Romania; Posts: 3062, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 27, 2003; Reply to: Enmanuel

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WOW! Congrats Futch! Perfect collection indeed!

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Jan 16, 2013 2:05:36 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Pentium

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Unbelievable that a mortal can buy this, makes working hard worthwhile I would say... Just incredible that Porsche doesn't go out and buys these kinds of cars up for preservation and their historic value alone. Well, it leaves amazing opportunities to own such a car and that's gotta be great.

So many congrats, 2013 is a good year for you angel what a fantastic car wink

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Jan 16, 2013 4:07:29 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Atzporsche

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Bravo!!! Nice find indeed.

Secondly, is THAT your garage?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!

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Jan 16, 2013 4:53:13 AM

rhino: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Island , Saint Lucia; Posts: 2876, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 26, 2006; Reply to: Whoopsy

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What a collection Futch! heart kiss wink

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Jan 16, 2013 5:12:07 AM

tso: Senior; Loc: Denmark , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 748, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2004; Reply to: rhino

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You are crazy Francois... smiley

Give me a call when you rent Le Mans and have enough cars to replicate a full Le Mans field. I will happily drive any of them.

/Thomas

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Jan 16, 2013 5:35:14 AM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: tso

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Now we are talking!!!!!! MANY CONGRATULATIONS !!!

Francois- this is simply unbelievable! You have made my day...(and I am more than 10K km away from you).

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Jan 16, 2013 5:36:46 AM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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Carlos from Spain:

.............I'm speechless Fancho! congrats does not describe it!!!!!!!!

Is that the car that did the 6:11 in the Nring with Bellof in classifying?

Really looking foward to your driving impressions

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Carlos - I think that that chassis was written off. Bellof tried for a faster time on the next lap and had a big accident. I'll try and find the pictures.

My appologies - I just checked, and it was a different occasion to the 6:11.

He had done 6:22 on the previous lap and then tried to go faster and had a massive accident.

It is then possible that this is in fact the chassis, although the record was set in 1983.

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Jan 16, 2013 6:10:57 AM

Futch: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: EU , United Kingdom; Posts: 4759, Gallery; Registered on: May 14, 2002; Reply to: Spyderidol

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Spyderidol:

Carlos from Spain:

.............I'm speechless Fancho! congrats does not describe it!!!!!!!!

Is that the car that did the 6:11 in the Nring with Bellof in classifying?

Really looking foward to your driving impressions

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Carlos - I think that that chassis was written off. Bellof tried for a faster time on the next lap and had a big accident. I'll try and find the pictures.

My appologies - I just checked, and it was a different occasion to the 6:11.

He had done 6:22 on the previous lap and then tried to go faster and had a massive accident.

It is then possible that this is in fact the chassis, although the record was set in 1983.

Thank you guys.

Carlito, I have asked myself that question too. It is possible as 956-009 existed and won some races in 83 but I just can't find the relevant history for that Bellof lap. If that were the case, this would be the cherry on the cake! Smiley To not only own a Rothmans 956 but THE one that has the all time record on the Nordschleife! But I doubt it. In 83 Bell and Mass won the race and next year, it was Bell and Bellof but not on 009.

Bellof was an all time hero and very tragically died at Eau rouge on board a 956 actually. I think Ickx never recovered from that one even though it wasn't his fault. Hard to believe there was no run off in those days.

The cockpit is tiny for such a huge car, a bit scary frankly, your feet are very very forward in the chassis.

In all fairness, this is museum piece and I am totally not worthy, I will do a few laps, just for the sake of it, I think I will wet my pants before I even feel an ounce of ground effect and then thank the lord I made it without getting hurt and tuck away 009 in my garage. I predict the F1 to be much much easier to drive, which it should be of course.

No this is not my garage but Joe Macari in London. He handles most of my road cars and is one of the nicest human beings alive.

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Jan 16, 2013 7:03:00 AM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: Futch

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Amazing purchase!! angel The piece of pure Porsche history! Many congrats! wink

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Jan 16, 2013 7:12:28 AM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: SportCarGroup

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Futch, why there is no CGT in your collection, if may I ask? It would complete your fleet perfectly kiss

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Jan 16, 2013 7:23:02 AM

mikigta: Senior; Loc: Italy , Italy; Posts: 523, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2005; Reply to: SportCarGroup

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Futch has a black CGT

Super purchase, congratulations! kiss

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Jan 16, 2013 7:23:02 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: SportCarGroup

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He has one.

That's his 'Inbox' pictured. He is still sorting his 'mail'.

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Jan 16, 2013 7:37:44 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14184, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

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I am speechless angel angel What else !!!! Just amazing !! You can now rest in peace, you have THE CAR !!!

I am so looking forward to your mortal driving impressions ...... Hat's off !

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Jan 16, 2013 7:41:30 AM

m4ever: Veteran; Loc: Czech Republic , Italy; Posts: 1051, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

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Standing ovation!

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Jan 16, 2013 7:46:42 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: m4ever

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This car is an automotive monument. Bellof's car!!!

It is also an automotive investment for the future.

Wise move on the emotional and the monetary level kiss

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Jan 16, 2013 8:06:53 AM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4100, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: reginos

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sensory overload.......- well life must be "boring" after this - I cannot imagine how you wanna top this or what car I'd would add to yr stable giving you similar emotions..... heart - despite you getting a 918 which is totally different animal I think you have made a very very smart investment ! (not that I would ever sell...) Congrats ! Now, how can we mortals get a glance of the collection smiley

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Jan 16, 2013 8:16:09 AM

TEE: Veteran; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 929, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 5, 2003; Reply to: BjoernB

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WOW nice kiss Now you no longer have an excuse to do sub 7 minute laps on the Ring smiley

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Jan 16, 2013 8:20:56 AM

Futch: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: EU , United Kingdom; Posts: 4759, Gallery; Registered on: May 14, 2002; Reply to: BjoernB

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BjoernB:

sensory overload.......- well life must be "boring" after this - I cannot imagine how you wanna top this or what car I'd would add to yr stable giving you similar emotions..... - despite you getting a 918 which is totally different animal I think you have made a very very smart investment ! (not that I would ever sell...) Congrats ! Now, how can we mortals get a glance of the collection

Thank you guys again. Yes I have a 2006 Carrera GT since 2008, over 25000 km and still the most exciting road car I own today, although sadly I don't drive as much as I used to.

The 956 is definitely an investment, time will tell of course but I think they are going up, especially the factory cars and especially, a world champion.

The 918, compared to this purchase is at the other end of the spectrum. A stupid act of blind faith. More on this story in my next thread regarding another new car I bought but totally different, a Cayenne.

Thanks again Rennteamers! Smiley

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Jan 16, 2013 8:23:17 AM

Italo: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1055, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 29, 2007; Reply to: BjoernB

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Futch, its very obvious that you don't do things by half but go the whole nine yards ! Congrats on the new purchase and I hope you enjoy every inch of it ! Pure Class buddy Smiley

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Jan 16, 2013 9:00:40 AM

pgouveia: Pilot; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 487, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2008; Reply to: Italo

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What can I say ?? angel

Congrats for the most desirable car off all time IMO

I found this ....Chris Harris once again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PZxC-knQmkM#!

Enjoy

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Jan 16, 2013 9:44:42 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59606, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Futch

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Futch:
I need to lie down now, can't even find the right words anymore.

When did you say I can come over to visit you? Smiley

I think my son would never leave again.

Congratulations, buddy. Amazing car collection. Smiley

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Jan 16, 2013 9:59:54 AM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21156, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Futch

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Futch:
Thank you guys.

Carlito, I have asked myself that question too. It is possible as 956-009 existed and won some races in 83 but I just can't find the relevant history for that Bellof lap. If that were the case, this would be the cherry on the cake! To not only own a Rothmans 956 but THE one that has the all time record on the Nordschleife! But I doubt it. In 83 Bell and Mass won the race and next year, it was Bell and Bellof but not on 009.

Bellof was an all time hero and very tragically died at Eau rouge on board a 956 actually. I think Ickx never recovered from that one even though it wasn't his fault. Hard to believe there was no run off in those days.

The cockpit is tiny for such a huge car, a bit scary frankly, your feet are very very forward in the chassis.

In all fairness, this is museum piece and I am totally not worthy, I will do a few laps, just for the sake of it, I think I will wet my pants before I even feel an ounce of ground effect and then thank the lord I made it without getting hurt and tuck away 009 in my garage. I predict the F1 to be much much easier to drive, which it should be of course.

No this is not my garage but Joe Macari in London. He handles most of my road cars and is one of the nicest human beings alive.

Mike (W8MM) owned a 962 that he took to the track and I remember him mentioning that the aerodinamics work in such a way in those cars that you can drive it either slow or really fast, but not in between because the aerodinamics only start to work at speed and thats when it really sticks and bellow that you had very little and did not handle like it was supposed or designed to.

Must be quite an experience even if for a few laps just to see how it is, but that is indeed a museum piece to keep like a jewel. This is by far IMO the jewel of your awesome collection, its unbelivebale owning such a piece of history, I'm still in awe, I'm so happy for you! Smiley

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Jan 16, 2013 10:34:19 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Futch

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I just thought that all this must be a misprint Smiley

Many, many congrats Smiley Smiley Smiley Very, very special cars Smiley

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