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Jul 23, 2012 9:00:01 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: M3ike

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

M3ike:

On the Nordschleife, the CSL is still a very quick car, almost as quick as the 997GT3 MKI, the CSL is much more confidence inspiring and easier to catch when it lets go. It also benefits from the "real" Cup tires whereas the MKI GT3 has the Cup N1 which offer less dry grip but are much better in the wet.

On a GP circuit like Spa or Hockenheim the GT3 walks away due to its superior power and traction. The GT3 is much more challenging to drive.

At the end of the day I love both cars, it's a thing of personal taste. Currently I prefer the GT3 as a new challenge, my CSL is kept completely standard as a collectors item and can be seen at the new Black Falcon premises in Meuspath.

Cheers

Mike

Thanks for the input Mike, at the moment I'm still far off the absolute pace/potential of the CSL, but it does feel indeed like it has great potential on the Nordschleife. It did bite a couple of times yesterday, but I'm guessing that is due to a lack of experience with this car. My car has Michelin Supersports fitted at the moment, so I can't comment on the Cups yet, but I'll have them fitted when these are worn. I'm also considering changing the Bilsteins to Intrax-suspension as I'm not 100% convinced with the PSS10-dampers.

I might have a look at your CSL when I'm at the 'ring. Smiley

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Jul 23, 2012 9:42:43 PM

M3ike: Pilot; Loc: Wil, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 316, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 14, 2007; Reply to: Porker

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

Your welcome. I have been driving the CSL since 2006 and the car is an icon.

The tyres make a big difference the car was built around the Cup tyres. They will transform the car, much more precise, direct and higher grip levels.

Regarding suspension I know I sound like a broken record but I had custom Bilstein fitted by Black Falcon and it was superb. When Frank Stippler drove my car on the Ring he liked in very much and preferred it to the KW Clubsport as my car felt like a race car. Currently BF also has 2 CSL running in V6 at the VLN so they know a thing or two. I can get you in touch if you like.

Sorry for OT but I will be taking part in the new RCN next Saturday the Ring and then go to the 24 hours of Spa, maybe you are there.

Enjoy your CSL

Mike

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Jul 23, 2012 10:37:30 PM

JoeRockhead: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Topside , Monaco; Posts: 8033, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 17, 2007; Reply to: M3ike

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You're making me miss my E46 M3. We didn't even get the CSL over here. laugh

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Jul 24, 2012 3:42:03 AM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8857, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: JoeRockhead

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

Your CSL is a beauty Frank ! The darker wheels really compliment the attitude of the car. And you are obviously in for many happy days on track. Congratulations and keep enjoying it man !

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Jul 24, 2012 7:10:03 AM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: M3ike

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

M3ike:

Your welcome. I have been driving the CSL since 2006 and the car is an icon.

The tyres make a big difference the car was built around the Cup tyres. They will transform the car, much more precise, direct and higher grip levels.

Regarding suspension I know I sound like a broken record but I had custom Bilstein fitted by Black Falcon and it was superb. When Frank Stippler drove my car on the Ring he liked in very much and preferred it to the KW Clubsport as my car felt like a race car. Currently BF also has 2 CSL running in V6 at the VLN so they know a thing or two. I can get you in touch if you like.

Sorry for OT but I will be taking part in the new RCN next Saturday the Ring and then go to the 24 hours of Spa, maybe you are there.

Enjoy your CSL

Mike

I also feel the CSL should be driven on its Cup tyres, that said, I was impressed with the grip offered by the Supersports, on a wet trackday at Spa they should be fantastic imo.

If you say custom Bilsteins, do you mean custom springs on PSS10, or custom damping as well? If they could arrange different springrates for my PSS10, that would indeed be great. Smiley I was considering fitting a beefier front ARB to counteract the softer damping on the Nordschleife, but I was -rightly- told that this would only induce understeer.

I was -and still am- planning to go take a look at the 24h of Spa, I wanted to pay a visit to Futch who's competing with AF Corse. If the weather stays OK, I will be there. At Le Mans we nearly floated out of our tents so if it rains I might take a rain check.

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Jul 24, 2012 7:10:49 AM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Enmanuel

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

Enmanuel:

Your CSL is a beauty Frank ! The darker wheels really compliment the attitude of the car. And you are obviously in for many happy days on track. Congratulations and keep enjoying it man !

Thanks Enmanuel, I will! Smiley

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Jul 24, 2012 8:47:09 AM

DuckieRS: Senior; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 787, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 15, 2007; Reply to: Porker

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

Porker:

M3ike:

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The tyres make a big difference the car was built around the Cup tyres. They will transform the car, much more precise, direct and higher grip levels.

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I also feel the CSL should be driven on its Cup tyres, that said, I was impressed with the grip offered by the Supersports, on a wet trackday at Spa they should be fantastic imo.

Stick to Cups. I once had a set of PS2's on my CSL and regretted that decision before even arriving at the 'Ring (nearly missed an exit at Kreuz Kerpen). Supersports are a huge improvement but still no match. Perfect for my (porky) E90 though...

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Jul 24, 2012 8:52:35 AM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: DuckieRS

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

DuckieRS:

Porker:

M3ike:

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The tyres make a big difference the car was built around the Cup tyres. They will transform the car, much more precise, direct and higher grip levels.

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I also feel the CSL should be driven on its Cup tyres, that said, I was impressed with the grip offered by the Supersports, on a wet trackday at Spa they should be fantastic imo.

Stick to Cups. I once had a set of PS2's on my CSL and regretted that decision before even arriving at the 'Ring (nearly missed an exit at Kreuz Kerpen). Supersports are a huge improvement but still no match. Perfect for my (porky) E90 though...

I forgot that you'd had a CSL yourself! Cups it is, might look for a set of 18"s to fit Cups and keep the 19"s with Supersports for street/rainy-days.

Despite the efforts, the CSL remains quite a porker itself I'm afraid, though it does a great job to disguise its mass. Smiley

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Jul 24, 2012 1:45:26 PM

PureBlue: Senior; Loc: Cape Town , South Africa; Posts: 523, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2011; Reply to: Porker

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

An inspired purchase of what most consider to be the best M3 ever! I have no doubt that you're going to enjoy this car to the hilt. Smiley

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Jul 24, 2012 2:01:38 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: PureBlue

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Congrats, a real stunner. So timeless..

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throt

"I didn't do it"

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Jul 24, 2012 2:31:38 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: throt

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Frank, I'm curious to read your field report about last Sunday at the Ring... so many closures again mail

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Jul 24, 2012 3:09:42 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Gauss

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

Hi Joël, sadly we kept missing eachother. I'd managed to have a chat with P-J, who was so kind to introduce a friend of mine to the world of the GT3 (thanks again P-J).

It was indeed a bad day for driving, I could never really focus on getting to know the CSL. However it was immediately clear that it's a much sharper machine than my other M3. Front end grip is much improved, and the difference in power is quite noticeable, in a sense that I now have to modulate the pedal when exiting corners.

The damping was less positive for me, on the stiffer setting the car got twitchy and skipped over bumps, while in a softer setting, it lost some of its edge. I'll have to work on a solution there.

The brakes felt very good but needed some heat to get going, which was hard, given the appaling driving conditions on Sunday. I really have to find a way to return during the week.

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Jul 24, 2012 3:42:22 PM

amazon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 2110, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 5, 2004; Reply to: Porker

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Wow Porker, that's indeed a very nice car you have here. Smiley

If I'm not mistaken, it's quite an upgrade from the cars you were driving before! Could you remind me what you had prior to this beautiful CSL?

Anyway, congrats on your purchase! Smiley

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Jul 24, 2012 4:00:53 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: amazon

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

Thanks amazon!

It's indeed a little leap forward, but so it should be! Every new car was always 'the next best thing' for me, next in line is the 996 MK.I GT3 Clubsport, there's no escaping that! smiley

BMW E30 318is (18-23)
VX220 (23-24)
BMW E36 M3 GT (24-26)
BMW E46 M3 CSL (26-...)

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Jul 24, 2012 5:02:33 PM

John H: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 7682, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 20, 2005; Reply to: Porker

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That's what I call forward planning.... kiss

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"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out."

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Jul 24, 2012 5:39:09 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: John H

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What an amazing machine!! And in CSL with those mods, you've found another true BMW icon for yourself kiss

I can only imagine how much fun this car is on the NBR, congrats and looking forward to many more pics cool

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Jul 24, 2012 5:39:22 PM

M3ike: Pilot; Loc: Wil, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 316, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 14, 2007; Reply to: John H

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

My Bilstein suspension was a custom setup, consisting of rear dampers from the WTCC cars from 2006, custom springs and bumpstops. It was a tailor-made setup for my CSL on Cups. They still have all the data available as it took loads of experimenting to get the perfect setup. Rollbars were left stock as on the VLN race cars running on slicks so the standard ones are perfectly capable. The standard bilsteins have probably a too soft front spring so the car leans too much on turn-in. Anyway I will ask if they have some customized springs for your setup and let you know.

Mike

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Jul 24, 2012 7:09:00 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: M3ike

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Thanks Aaron, as I enjoy seeing it myself, many pictures are a certainty! cool

Mike, if you would be so kind to ask them, that would indeed help me out a lot. Thanks!

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Jul 24, 2012 8:23:46 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Porker

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Mr. & Mrs. Porker Smiley

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Jul 25, 2012 2:47:58 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: M3ike

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

M3ike:

My Bilstein suspension was a custom setup, consisting of rear dampers from the WTCC cars from 2006, custom springs and bumpstops. It was a tailor-made setup for my CSL on Cups. They still have all the data available as it took loads of experimenting to get the perfect setup. Rollbars were left stock as on the VLN race cars running on slicks so the standard ones are perfectly capable. The standard bilsteins have probably a too soft front spring so the car leans too much on turn-in. Anyway I will ask if they have some customized springs for your setup and let you know.

Mike

Someone advised me to contact Center Gravity to explain my issue, they were extremely helpful and knowledgeable about the subject. They've proposed a number of options from Eibach-racing. I warmly recommend them (they're mostly Porsche-focused).

http://www.centergravity.co.uk/

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Jul 25, 2012 4:03:39 PM

boytronic: Veteran; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 961, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 5, 2005; Reply to: Porker

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I can vouch for Centre Gravity as I had my Geo done last Saturday and the attention to detail and striving for perfection by Chris is incredible. My RS60 now drives better than it has ever driven - goes where I point it, no under steer and the ride with PASM button on and off is significantly improved. All as a result of 8 hours with Chris.

Very Happy ! :)

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Jul 26, 2012 7:47:24 AM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: boytronic

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

boytronic:

I can vouch for Centre Gravity as I had my Geo done last Saturday and the attention to detail and striving for perfection by Chris is incredible. My RS60 now drives better than it has ever driven - goes where I point it, no under steer and the ride with PASM button on and off is significantly improved. All as a result of 8 hours with Chris.

Very Happy ! :)

Thanks for the feedback, I've only spoken to Chris on the phone, but I had exactly that impression. I'm sure his proposed solution will satisfy my needs!

Smiley

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Jul 27, 2012 6:56:46 AM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Porker

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Our company carpark, a refreshing change from your usual corporate carparks isn't it? Smiley

M3 CSL & R26.R

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Jul 27, 2012 7:30:19 AM

DoubledDoubledDoubled: Newbie; Loc: Latvia , Latvia; Posts: 5, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 3, 2010; Reply to: Porker

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

Congratulations on purchase!

Great sounding car this side of 70k EUR :) I wonder how it sound with your particular exhaust? Please post video if you can! Thanks!

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Aug 3, 2012 8:35:24 PM

alexk64: Newbie; Loc: ZH , Switzerland; Posts: 20, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 16, 2010; Reply to: DoubledDoubledDoubled

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

Hi and congratulations for the CSL !

It's an amazing car !
Is it a Swiss registered car ?

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Aug 4, 2012 6:03:26 PM

Avoe: Veteran; Loc: Vienna , Austria; Posts: 803, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 17, 2002; Reply to: alexk64

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Great car, in hands of someone who actually uses it for what it was meant to. wink

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Aug 7, 2012 4:09:36 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: alexk64

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

alexk64:

Hi and congratulations for the CSL !

It's an amazing car !
Is it a Swiss registered car ?

Hi, thank you for the kind words.

The car is registered under my girlfriend's name in Belgium. It would've been too much of a hassle to have all these modifications approved in CH. Smiley

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Aug 7, 2012 4:12:23 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Avoe

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Avoe:

Great car, in hands of someone who actually uses it for what it was meant to.

Thanks Avoe!

The car is at BMW now to have all suspension bushes checked and replaced if necessary. Meanwhiles the wheels are refurbished as they were a bit curbed. For the wheels I've chosen BMW's Ferric Grey.

This is how it looks on its replacement set Smiley

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Aug 7, 2012 7:52:38 PM

alexk64: Newbie; Loc: ZH , Switzerland; Posts: 20, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 16, 2010; Reply to: Porker

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Porker:
Hi, thank you for the kind words.

The car is registered under my girlfriend's name in Belgium. It would've been too much of a hassle to have all these modifications approved in CH.

I was wondering the same thing about the mods

I have a CSL too Smiley

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Aug 12, 2012 3:27:08 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7065, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Porker

Re: Today I collect my M3 CSL

Today I'd been reading a couple of the old EVO-Magazines, I'd read when I was seventeen, daydreaming about a CSL.

I couldn't help smiling knowing I know have one of those. Smiley

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