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Some more information:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/261278/
"A seven-speed dual clutch S-tronic gearbox featuring a launch control function is available as an option.With the system, the TT RS plus coupe will storm from standstill to 62mph in just 4.1sec, with the slightly heavier roadster taking 4.2sec. In manual form, they require an additional 0.2sec respectively, according to Ingolstadt’s official performance figures. Top speed in both cases is limited to 174mph – up by 19mph on the standard TT RS, which is limited to 155mph."
"By comparison, the new mid-engined/rear-wheel drive Boxster S, which also makes its debut in Geneva, reaches 62mph in a claimed 5.0sec, tops out at 169mph and returns a combined 35.3mpg."
Porsche must up the performance of the new Cayman S, so as not to lose credibility. The expected 325 PS will, most probably, not be enough. Of course, these Audi figures challenge the new 991 too (and at some 60% of the price) but in this case the Audi will be confronted by a legend and it will be more difficult to woo 911 customers.
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Re: Audi TT RS plus intro
KresoF1:
http://www.netcarshow.com/audi/2013-tt_rs_plus/
This is basically the regular TT RS we get in the US (without the DSG option), right?
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Re: Audi TT RS plus intro
Grant:
KresoF1:
http://www.netcarshow.com/audi/2013-tt_rs_plus/
This is basically the regular TT RS we get in the US (without the DSG option), right?
More power (+20PS) and more torque (+15Nm) from the same engine and much higher top speed (280km/h from 250km/h) due to de-limiting. DSG cannot be specified on the normal TT RS in the USA?
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Re: Audi TT RS plus intro
reginos:
Grant:
KresoF1:
http://www.netcarshow.com/audi/2013-tt_rs_plus/
This is basically the regular TT RS we get in the US (without the DSG option), right?
More power (+20PS) and more torque (+15Nm) from the same engine and much higher top speed (280km/h from 250km/h) due to de-limiting. DSG cannot be specified on the normal TT RS in the USA?
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"Form follows function"
Our version has always had 360hp and the larger torque number (just out last last year, MY2012) with 174mph top speed. No, we only have 6spd manual (my preference anyways). We also get Magnetic Ride as standard, but the cool race-style seats are not available. Price here is $56,800 and Euro delivery is offered with -5% pricing. I've been thinking about one...
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs). Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello
Re: Audi TT RS plus intro
New TT RS plus is very, very good little car. I try to spec one and ended with about 70K € German price(with Mwst). Similary specd forthcoming new Cayman S will cost you around 95K-100K. No doubt that new Cayman S will be a faster car on the track but, what about autobahn?
Re: Audi TT RS plus intro
KresoF1:
New TT RS plus is very, very good little car. I try to spec one and ended with about 70K € German price(with Mwst). Similary specd forthcoming new Cayman S will cost you around 95K-100K. No doubt that new Cayman S will be a faster car on the track but, what about autobahn?
That's why IMO Porsche must re-think the new Cayman S power output to be relevant to its price and internal competition from Audi, before it's too late.
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"Form follows function"
Re: Audi TT RS plus intro
Grant:
reginos:
Grant:
KresoF1:
http://www.netcarshow.com/audi/2013-tt_rs_plus/
This is basically the regular TT RS we get in the US (without the DSG option), right?
More power (+20PS) and more torque (+15Nm) from the same engine and much higher top speed (280km/h from 250km/h) due to de-limiting. DSG cannot be specified on the normal TT RS in the USA?
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"Form follows function"
Our version has always had 360hp and the larger torque number (just out last last year, MY2012) with 174mph top speed. No, we only have 6spd manual (my preference anyways). We also get Magnetic Ride as standard, but the cool race-style seats are not available. Price here is $56,800 and Euro delivery is offered with -5% pricing. I've been thinking about one...
If I understood your purist attitude to cars well, will you be happy with an AWD sportscar?
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"Form follows function"
Re: Audi TT RS plus intro
reginos:
If I understood your purist attitude to cars well, will you be happy with an AWD sportscar
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I would keep my 911 - this would be my daily driver (replacing a Japanese SUV).
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs). Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello
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REALZEUS:
Honetsly, this car does not indulge me at all. A Cayman S for me at, any give moment please!
I'd rather drive a Cayman S too, but there are days in Denver where AWD is a benefit (but I am really a RWD guy at heart) - last week we had a very big snow storm and a TT RS with Winter tires would have been fun (but probably the snow was too deep for it for the first day, until the snowplows came).
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs). Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello
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Grant:
REALZEUS:
Honetsly, this car does not indulge me at all. A Cayman S for me at, any give moment please!
I'd rather drive a Cayman S too, but there are days in Denver where AWD is a benefit (but I am really a RWD guy at heart) - last week we had a very big snow storm and a TT RS with Winter tires would have been fun (but probably the snow was too deep for it for the first day, until the snowplows came).
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That is what allroaders are for mate. Get yourself a Discovery! 
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Re: Audi TT RS plus intro
reginos:
KresoF1:
New TT RS plus is very, very good little car. I try to spec one and ended with about 70K € German price(with Mwst). Similary specd forthcoming new Cayman S will cost you around 95K-100K. No doubt that new Cayman S will be a faster car on the track but, what about autobahn?
That's why IMO Porsche must re-think the new Cayman S power output to be relevant to its price and internal competition from Audi, before it's too late.
I think for the next generation Cayman S this comes already too late... 
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Re: Audi TT RS plus intro
Indeed...
New Cayman S will have 325ps-330ps. It will be clearly a faster car on the track then TT RS plus. Also, probably a more rewarding car to drive.
BUT, faster on the autobahn? Faster on wet road? Sorry to say this-answer to both questions is slower(new Cayman S).
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KresoF1:
Indeed...
New Cayman S will have 325ps-330ps. It will be clearly a faster car on the track then TT RS plus. Also, probably a more rewarding car to drive.
BUT, faster on the autobahn? Faster on wet road? Sorry to say this-answer to both questions is slower(new Cayman S).
I live in Denver where the altitude is very high (with very high mountains right next to the city - highest paved road in the country of 14,400 ft or 4,430 m). I think here the TT RS would be the faster car in almost every weather condition, because non-turbo cars lose 15-50% of their power (depending on altitude - in the city or in the mountains) and turbo cars keep almost all of their stock power (with more lag).
Also considering Mitsubishi EVO X (drove this car in a blizzard and it is astonishingly capable and fun in the snow).
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs). Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello
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JimFlat6:
You cant compare the two in handling. The TT RS is hundreds of pounds heavier than a Cayman and has lots of understeer. AWD yes, but its not a scalpel.
The weight difference is closer to 150 pounds, I think (3,300 vs 3,150 - real world, not Porsche spec). BTW, you can buy an aftermarket AWD controller that allows you to vary the front/rear torque split for around $1k. I think you can dial out the understeer (and even make it oversteer), if you like.
http://hpamotorsports.com/haldex.htm
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs). Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello
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Grant:
BTW, you can buy an aftermarket AWD controller that allows you to vary the front/rear torque split for around $1k. I think you can dial out the understeer (and even make it oversteer), if you like.
Not feasible since it is a Haldex set up! The hardware cannot send more than half the available torque to the rear!
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Re: Audi TT RS plus intro
REALZEUS:
Grant:
BTW, you can buy an aftermarket AWD controller that allows you to vary the front/rear torque split for around $1k. I think you can dial out the understeer (and even make it oversteer), if you like.
Not feasible since it is a Haldex set up! The hardware cannot send more than half the available torque to the rear!
Half the available torque to the rear in a car with most of its weight on the front axle should be enough, no?
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs). Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello
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Grant:
I wouldn't be expecting to use this as a drift car, but I'd like for it to be neutral (to oversteer) in a constant radius curve...
IMO most of the criticism of the TT-RS handling is based on tarmac driving; this misses the point of Grant's potential usage, that in a region that has real winters (and unpaved roads as well), most cars like this handle quite differently on loose surfaces, where it is not difficult at all to get the rear out with a bit of rally-inspired driving techniques. I owned a Subaru STi for 5 years, and can confirm that while any powerful AWD car will tend to final understeer at the limit on pavement, they are much more fun to drive on gravel or snowy roads. On these roads, the AWD (assuming correct tires of course) lets you hook up most of that power on launches, and short wheelbase helps these cars feel very tossable.
On the deep snow issue, my STi had about the same type of front clip as the TT-RS, and I found out that as long as any really deep snow is new (and light / powder, not wet), you can gently push it aside at low speeds till you get to roads where the snow has been plowed or compacted. I once drove away from a parking lot with snow to the tops of the wheels.... So I would go for it Grant... and drive Pikes Peak! 
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