Closedxpetrov:
Beyond words...
I don't like the duck-tail on 991. The front spoiler is not so nice either. I would prefer in classic way. The new shape of the 991 design is timeless, IMO.
ONUR 
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09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)
Sep 13, 2011 9:42:41 AM
Sep 13, 2011 9:45:30 AM
Here is the official Press Release from the IAA. Sorry I have it available in german language only.
Maybe useful nonetheless as the doc contains some self explaining tables with tech data / comparison vs. 997 etc. 
porsche_911_carrera_2012[1].pdf
Interesting:
They saved 95 kg on the car's body, which means they must have added 60 kg (50 kg) elsewhere compared to the 997 Carrera (Carrera S) 
Table with gear ratios (manual/PDK) is also interesting (shows "long" 3rd gear as mentioned in the latest Autobild Article).
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Sep 13, 2011 11:01:04 AM
Ferdie:
[...] 3rd gear is geared very long yet 7th geared very short (indeed, that´s what is written).
Thank you, PJ!
Very insightful details, for example the gearing that was described in the AutoBild article above only refers to the difference to the PDK box. Obviously, the gearratios of both are the same except for 3rd gear, which is geared longer, and 7th gear, which is a tad shorter, in comparison.
Sorry, you understood me wrong. In the AutoBild article further above Georg Kacher stated that the manual gearbox would receive a fairly long 3rd and a short 7th gear. In absolute terms, this is not correct.
The manual gearbox has a 3rd gear that is geared longer yet a shorter 7th compared to the PDK gearbox. The article gave the impression that 7th gear on the manual would be fairly short and geared for performance which clearly is not the case.
Ferdie:
Sorry, you understood me wrong. In the AutoBild article further above Georg Kacher stated that the manual gearbox would receive a fairly long 3rd and a short 7th gear. In absolute terms, this is not correct.
The manual gearbox has a 3rd gear that is geared longer yet a shorter 7th compared to the PDK gearbox. The article gave the impression that 7th gear on the manual would be fairly short and geared for performance which clearly is not the case.
Making 3rd gear longer is not a benefit - it'll make the car accelerate slower in an important range. I sure wish there was a Sport gearing option (like on the Lotus Evora), where all the gears are low and closer together with top speed occurring at 7,400rpm (power peak) in 7th gear. Maybe with the next GT3...
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs). Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello
Sep 13, 2011 12:12:16 PM
Grant:
Making 3rd gear longer is not a benefit - it'll make the car accelerate slower in an important range. I sure wish there was a Sport gearing option (like on the Lotus Evora), where all the gears are low and closer together with top speed occurring at 7,400rpm (power peak) in 7th gear. Maybe with the next GT3...
Fully agree with you, Grant Question is, why they made the 3rd gear for the manual gearbox longer (compared to the PDK) I smell marketing BS - it may help to sell more PDK cars 
@ Ferdie: indeed the text in the AB article is misleading - it wouldn't have made any sense the way they wrote it 
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Sep 13, 2011 12:19:24 PM
Porsche_lover:
reginos:
But I cannot be sure if the default is: Carrera (S) or 911 Carrera (S)
Default is "911 Carrera (S)". The confusion arises from the fact that the first catalogue etc we had available indeed did not contain 911 (like I posted somewhere), but apperantly, someone changed their mind on this.
According to today´s FAZ article about the new 991, it was Porsche CEO Matthias Müller himself who ordered the 911 designation on every model.
Sep 13, 2011 12:22:59 PM
Porsche-Jeck:
Question is, why they made the 3rd gear for the manual gearbox longer (compared to the PDK)
That was my assumption as well. I am not fully aware how the fuel consumption cycles are performed but believe that a considerable portion is driven in 3rd gear on a manual whereas the automated systems are free to choose the appropriate gear.
Couldn´t imagine the AB article to be that misleading but since it is I wanted to clarify my above post.
Sep 13, 2011 12:34:28 PM
Ferdie:
According to today´s FAZ article about the new 991, it was Porsche CEO Matthias Müller himself who ordered the 911 designation on every model.
Good to know that at Porsche it works exactly as in other big companies: the CEO takes care of the really important decisions himself
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Sep 13, 2011 12:40:25 PM
Porsche-Jeck:
Grant:
Making 3rd gear longer is not a benefit - it'll make the car accelerate slower in an important range. I sure wish there was a Sport gearing option (like on the Lotus Evora), where all the gears are low and closer together with top speed occurring at 7,400rpm (power peak) in 7th gear. Maybe with the next GT3...
Fully agree with you, Grant
Yes, I agree that it's just a marketing issue - what a shame...
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs). Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello
Sep 13, 2011 12:42:46 PM
Porsche-Jeck:
Ferdie:
According to today´s FAZ article about the new 991, it was Porsche CEO Matthias Müller himself who ordered the 911 designation on every model.
Good to know that at Porsche it works exactly as in other big companies: the CEO takes care of the really important decisions himself
I understand that Porsche wanted to bring the "911" designation back after some 30 years. But OTOH they didn't want to drop the established "Carrera" designation which sounds very good and is written in a successful font. The end result is too much though.
I would order the car with only the PORSCHE name and add the Carrera S (only) at the dealer.
"Form follows function"
Sep 13, 2011 12:46:24 PM
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IMO choice is good ... but, personally, on a Carrera/Carrera S, I prefer the rear slope to be uninterrupted by a duck tail
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