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Nov 12, 2010 8:12:27 PM
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Carlos from Spain
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Re: 2010 Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix
Eunice:
I don't think Red Bull will look like idiots, in the case they finish 1/2 on sunday.
If Vettel wins, one can say they would have the title if not for the team order against Massa. If Vettel lets Webber pass, they are playing by the same book as Ferrari does.
They are already playing by the same book as Ferrari and everybody else, or what do you call taking the front wing from Webber's car without his approval to install it on Vettel's for the race? is that equal opportunity?
So the reason they will look silly is because with all their self-righteous attitude on the press about team orders they have forced themselves into a situation now were if they let Webber pass Vettel they look like hipocrites, they can't play the same book as Ferrari now.
And if they don't let Webber pass they loose the championship, and saying that at least they didn't win with team orders is not a consolation because every title is won with team orders in F1 (Hamilton won his title a season in which his teamate Kovalainen was ordered to let Hamilton pass and went on to win the GP, RedBull has some team orders this year like the front wing incident, etc).
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Nov 12, 2010 11:59:43 PM
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Don't worry if Alonso crashes.. there will be a safety car. If Alonso is behind, there will be a safety car. If Vettel lets Webber pass at any point in time during the entire race, the FIA will revoke either him or both RBR drivers depending on where Alonso finishes.. anything to get him the title...
I think RBR is doing a decent job and i think they will do the right thing this weekend which is more than can be said for McLaren and Ferrari. I look forward to a hard and clean race.
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Nov 13, 2010 12:15:56 AM
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Carlos from Spain
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Wait!? you are saying that the FIA will try to favor ALONSO? have you missed out on the last years in F1? If there is one driver that is definately not on the current FIA's governig body's good side that is Alonso (mostly due because of his big mouth in the past against the FIA).
And especially so in every single desition involving him vs Hamilton he has had the short end of the stick, every single one. In this case since it involves the RedBull team, I think the FIA will remain neutral and hopefully will stay out of the race. Personally I think that Redbull should use team orders to help which ever of their drivers has the best changes as the race develops, and if they win then good for them and well deserved, and the FIA should stay out.
But I can't help the feeling that one of the three contenders will have a engine failure or something, and none of these elaborate and interesting posible ends to the championship will happen, and the simple DNF will decide the outcome to what could of been an exiting end to the season
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Nov 13, 2010 12:45:39 AM
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FA is due a cock up, however, imo that will not happen..
My possible prediction is, FA to get pushed off the track, within 10 laps, it could get really dirty..
Agreed, Carlos, FIA should just let the teams get on with it, particularly that its the last race..
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Nov 13, 2010 8:07:48 AM
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Nov 13, 2010 2:10:55 PM
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Webber won't win the title tomorrow from 5th on the grid IMO. He looks negative and already beaten.
Alonso is looking too quick to finish 5th so Vettel won't win the title either - even though he looks in a great position to win the race.
Hamilton is quick enough to win but Alonso will finish in the points so Hamilton won't win the title either.
IMO, barring any accidents or mechanical problems, tomorrow is Alonso's day.
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Nov 13, 2010 2:14:48 PM
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Re: 2010 Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix
Redbull car shows again that they are at another level at this track as well.
Surprising performance from the McLarens which will spice up the race tomorrow, hopefully Hamilton will not do something stupid in the first cornes and take out any of the title contenders, since Hamilton has nothing to loose and has had his share of collisions already this year.
But Webber looked like an already defeated man when he got off the car after qualifying, he didn't even stop to speak to the press as he passed by. I feel sorry for him, I doesn't seem like he is getting much support from his own team.
Alonso managed to place the Ferrari on third, but also important is that he will start from the clean side of the track.
To me it looks like Vettel will have an easy drive tomorrow for first place, Hamilton may take second, and Alonso will saty out of Hamilton's way and stick to third while controlling Webber's position, since I don't think that Webber will beat Vettel or Hamilton from 5th. So Vettel will likely finish in front of Webber in points in the championship.
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Nov 13, 2010 6:01:39 PM
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Do not write off Webber just yet, funny to say but at P5 the pressure is now less than it was before Q3..Absolute anything can happen and Alonso will want to stay out of any ding dongs..Its the last race and all drivers will be going for it, even Button could be up there to spice things up..
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Nov 13, 2010 6:33:36 PM
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Hamilton after the Q3:
I’ve got nothing to lose and everything to gain. It’s the other drivers who’ll have to worry; I don’t have to be cautious at all in the race. Perhaps they need to think about that…
Is this kid for real?? 
he can crash against a wall if he wants, but he better not take out Vettel-Alonso-Webber by playing kamikaze just for fun since he has nothing to loose while the others have a Championship tittle on the line! 
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Nov 13, 2010 6:56:25 PM
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Carlos from Spain:
Hamilton after the Q3:
I’ve got nothing to lose and everything to gain. It’s the other drivers who’ll have to worry; I don’t have to be cautious at all in the race. Perhaps they need to think about that…
Is this kid for real??
My prediction for tomorrow's race:
Hamitlon will take out Vettel in the first curve. Thanks for that! 
After this incident we will see a rather boring race, with Alonso leading...
for Carlos: ... until the end and taking his third championship.
for gangajas: ... until the second last round, when suddenly his engine blows up and Webber takes the title.
Either version, I will be pleased. 
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Nov 13, 2010 6:56:42 PM
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I hope he's just talking the big game. If i were McLaren team boss i'd go up to him after this statement to tell him that he will pay all damages himself lol.
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Nov 13, 2010 7:14:32 PM
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Rossi:
My prediction for tomorrow's race:Hamitlon will take out Vettel in the first curve. Thanks for that!
After this incident we will see a rather boring race, with Alonso leading...
for Carlos: ... until the end and taking his third championship.
for gangajas: ... until the second last round, when suddenly his engine blows up and Webber takes the title.
prediction one please 
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Nov 13, 2010 7:53:48 PM
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More permutations:
http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2010/11/11509.html
Deadlock: in theory, Alonso, Webber and Vettel could finish level on points at the top - a result of Vettel winning, Webber second and Alonso fifth in Abu Dhabi would give them 256 points apiece. Vettel and Alonso would have five wins each, two second places each and three third places each. Vettel would then be champion based on his three fourth places to Alonso’s two.
I bet that outcome would be the most infuriating for Carlos 
Nov 13, 2010 10:06:28 PM
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Qualification lap times:
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/results/8499390.stm
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Nov 14, 2010 11:36:49 AM
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Seems like the stewards have not penalised Hamilton for impeding Massa in qualification. I assume they don't want to spoil the spectacle of the final race by applying the rules to knock out one of the 4 title contenders.
IMHO both Massa and Hamilton should be given grid position penalties.
But, although Massa was unhappy, Alonso wants Hamilton to remain in contention (to make it harder for the Red Bull drivers to win) so Ferrari may have told Massa to stop complaining - since that might put pressure on the stewards to intervene.
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Nov 14, 2010 12:55:14 PM
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Nov 14, 2010 2:18:04 PM
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Nov 14, 2010 2:48:56 PM
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Re: 2010 Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix
easy_rider911:
Why did the 2 Ferrari drivers make such early pit stops? It seems to have cost Alonso the title
Webber was told to make an unusually early pit stop (ruining his chances for passing Alonso) and Ferrari decided to defend their position against Webber by having Alonso match his pit stop (given the position's at that time, Webber was his first rival), unfortunately that caused him the race because there is no way he could pass Petrov's Renault with its much higher top speed as you can only pass in this track by top speed on the straight, and Petrov fought his heart out for an 8th place. Not even Hamilton with his higher top speed than Ferrari was able to pass Kubica's Renault.
Well played by RedBull, Ferrari bit the bait and gave Vettel the chance to win, though you kind of have the feeling they used Webber as an expendable peon in the chess game in favour of Vettel. Its going to be tough night for him with everybody in his team will be celebrating around him. And Ferrari lost the season with their tactical desition today, though its very easy to talk with hindsight.
Oh well, Alonso did his best and gave the Redbull a run for their money, but the advantage of the Redbull cars were too much. Alonso was the only driver to be able to overperform his car and actually challenge the RedBulls this season. Better luck next year. If it weren't Alonso I would of liked Webber to win it but oh well.
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Nov 14, 2010 3:04:40 PM
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Well done Vettel !!!! He made a few immature mistakes during the season but at the end he is got back what he lost and deserves his title . 
Webber had to stop... his tyres seemed to have too much graining , there was a black line on them.
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Nov 14, 2010 3:09:17 PM
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Gnil:Webber had to stop... his tyres seemed to have too much graining , there was a black line on them.
But so did Vettel's at a point in time during the race and they didn't tell hij to pit, after a few laps it went away, because as soon as you wear them out a bit more, graining may dissapear.Also Webber was not loosing significant time agains Alonso at that time so there was no real reason to stop, but the pit inmediately after Webber's radio comment on graining told Webber "Pit, Pit, Pit"...
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Nov 14, 2010 3:09:59 PM
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Well done Vettel - dominant all weekend - drove from pole to chequered flag like a World Champion.
Webber was mostly invisible today. An already beaten man psychologically.
Alonso pitted early to cover Webber but the real danger was posed by other drivers so it was a costly strategic decision.
Both McLaren drivers were extremely professional today.
Kubica did a superb job - absorbing all the pressure from Hamilton. Petrov drove superbly - didn't crumble under the relentless pressure from Alonso.
I hardly saw Rosberg on TV but he obviously just drove a great race.
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Nov 14, 2010 3:23:29 PM
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I knew that Red Bull had two geniouses in the team, Vettel and Newey.
What I found out today is that RBR also have a tactical genious in Horner who sold Ferrari a dummy with the pit stop and threw their race out of rails. Ferrari need to find the right people for the Scuderia to replace personalities like Todt, Brawn and Schumacher.
Webber lost his chances in qualifying yesterday when he cracked under pressure and was fifth and demoted himself to a support role. Alonso was a bad loser. He was gesturing at Petrov who was racing for himself (and Renault perhaps) and never went near SV to shake his hand.
In all I am happy with this year's result. Makes up for the MS disappointment.
I'm also glad Ferrari manipulation of results and Machiavellian tactics haven't paid off.
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Well Done SV, a superb drive. No-one can doubt his ability but the team needs to work on his personality. ;) Again, impressive season SV.
What was amusing was FA having a pop at Vitaly Petrov at the end of the race. Good to see FA hasn't changed and the world doesn't revolve round him.
All in all a great season and I'm sure it has attracted back a huge number of followers. Just eager to see next season start now and with MW in the RBR team next year, can he do it next time? Not sure but it'll be great to watch I'm sure. 
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