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Mar 7, 2006 1:24:10 PM
- RichJ
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Mar 7, 2006 4:01:50 PM
- vinnie
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Re: 599 GTB: new pics from the open road!
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I have to agree... I think the Zonda is kinda well...... fugly.
The Pagani Zonda is the most original, outrageous and best built supercar out there! I agree the Zonda is the only true supercar left, all other "sportscars" are just mere compromises. Even the great Gordon Murray ( designer of the F1 ) had nothing but praise for the Zonda saying that it's the only true lightweight modern supercar. The Pagani Zonda F makes the Porsche CGT and the Ferrari look like overweight production cars.
Weight of Porsche CGT : 3043 lbs
Weight of Ferrari Enzo : 3020 lbs
Weight of Pagani Zonda F : 2712 lbs.
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johncj8989 said:
I have to agree... I think the Zonda is kinda well...... fugly.
The Pagani Zonda is the most original, outrageous and best built supercar out there! I agree the Zonda is the only true supercar left, all other "sportscars" are just mere compromises. Even the great Gordon Murray ( designer of the F1 ) had nothing but praise for the Zonda saying that it's the only true lightweight modern supercar. The Pagani Zonda F makes the Porsche CGT and the Ferrari look like overweight production cars.
Weight of Porsche CGT : 3043 lbs
Weight of Ferrari Enzo : 3020 lbs
Weight of Pagani Zonda F : 2712 lbs.
Well said that man!
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johncj8989 said:
I have to agree... I think the Zonda is kinda well...... fugly.
The Pagani Zonda is the most original, outrageous and best built supercar out there! I agree the Zonda is the only true supercar left, all other "sportscars" are just mere compromises. Even the great Gordon Murray ( designer of the F1 ) had nothing but praise for the Zonda saying that it's the only true lightweight modern supercar. The Pagani Zonda F makes the Porsche CGT and the Ferrari look like overweight production cars.
Weight of Porsche CGT : 3043 lbs
Weight of Ferrari Enzo : 3020 lbs
Weight of Pagani Zonda F : 2712 lbs.
The Pagani is simply great. A real piece of art.
Mar 7, 2006 8:21:55 PM
- johncj8989
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Re: 599 GTB: new pics from the open road!
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vinnie said:
The Pagani Zonda is the most original, outrageous and best built supercar out there! I agree the Zonda is the only true supercar left, all other "sportscars" are just mere compromises. Even the great Gordon Murray ( designer of the F1 ) had nothing but praise for the Zonda saying that it's the only true lightweight modern supercar. The Pagani Zonda F makes the Porsche CGT and the Ferrari look like overweight production cars.
Weight of Porsche CGT : 3043 lbs
Weight of Ferrari Enzo : 3020 lbs
Weight of Pagani Zonda F : 2712 lbs.
You nuts if you think the Zonda weighs what they claim. It has a massive V12 that's been outsourced to AMG. The last time a supercar had its drivetrain outsourced was the F1.
I suppose Horacio Pagani and Gordon Murray have something in common.
Until Pagani developes their own engine, it will be considered an also-ran in the market place. And eventually go by the wayside just like Murray's F1.
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At what point did the f1 go by the wayside???? The F1 is still the car to be benchmarked against, even after the veyron which is very fast but not a sportscar in the same way as the F1.
I dont think that outsourcing an engine does any harm to pagani. In fact I think the partnership works very well. AMG build stunning engines, the only problem is that they are usually in fat mercs!!! AMG's powerful engines work perfectly with Paganis designs...
I dont think that outsourcing an engine does any harm to pagani. In fact I think the partnership works very well. AMG build stunning engines, the only problem is that they are usually in fat mercs!!! AMG's powerful engines work perfectly with Paganis designs...
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At what point did the f1 go by the wayside???? The F1 is still the car to be benchmarked against, even after the veyron which is very fast but not a sportscar in the same way as the F1.
They only made 80 F1s...not exactly a success. In terms of performance; the F1 doesn't have the handling to match its power. High speed stability is abysmal. When Road and Track did a high speed test with Mario Andretti driving, he said something to the effect: This is the scariest car to drive above 180mph.
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I dont think that outsourcing an engine does any harm to pagani. In fact I think the partnership works very well. AMG build stunning engines, the only problem is that they are usually in fat mercs!!! AMG's powerful engines work perfectly with Paganis designs...
For now, it has proven to be a relatively small success. But, if they were to be regarded in the upper echelon of high performance cars, they will need their own drive train.
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The reason the Zonda has the Mercedes engine is because the great Juan Manuel Fangio said it had to be powered by Mercedes. Sadly he passed away before the car was finished.
http://www.italiaspeed.com/2005/cars/other/pagani/12/top_gear/1912.html
http://www.italiaspeed.com/2005/cars/other/pagani/12/top_gear/1912.html
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But, if they were to be regarded in the upper echelon of high performance cars, they will need their own drive train.
that's an ignorant and tired argument.
the future will hold more outsourcing of major components, not less. you might as well give up your interest in cars now.
and you just posted that you were OK with ferrari using outsourced suspension technology.
the zonda is unique in design and finish. those qualities alone make it a desirable car.
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But, if they were to be regarded in the upper echelon of high performance cars, they will need their own drive train.
that's an ignorant and tired argument.
the future will hold more outsourcing of major components, not less. you might as well give up your interest in cars now.
and you just posted that you were OK with ferrari using outsourced suspension technology.
the zonda is unique in design and finish. those qualities alone make it a desirable car.
When an established company like Ferrari outsource their powertrain is when they stop being Ferrari. And Enzo will be rolling in his grave.
I understand a litte upstart like Pagani have no choice, but, to outsource - nevertheless, they will eventually have to develope more of their own parts. There isn't going to enough interested buyers willing to pay upwards of $600k for a Frankenstein.
And I understand your infatuation with the Z, but, you gotta look at the big picture.
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