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JimFlat6 said:
They are more used to a sophisticated chassis than a rocket engine mounted on a ox cart. And because they really dont
drive rockets attached to oxcarts much, I dont think they have the experience with such crudeness to feel truly comfortable extracting the last bit of speed from it.
Too funny!!!!!!
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JimFlat6 said:
Saurma and Rorhl have to be more comfortable driving balls to the walls in a Porsche or Ferrari than a Vette.
They are more used to a sophisticated chassis than a rocket engine mounted on a ox cart. And because they really dont
drive rockets attached to oxcarts much, I dont think they have the experience with such crudeness to feel truly comfortable extracting the last bit of speed from it.
I am not saying that to denigrate their skill, honesty or sincerity. Its just they are more used to a different caliber of machinery.
The accelleration numbers wich AMS gets for any Corvette they test are below every other magazine published on the planet.
You would have to believe that all of the other magazines tests of the world are not telling the truth, concoct lies
or on GMs payroll to take AMS's Corvette reviews as the final word.
AMS Corvette tests are too suspect to be just some sort of amazing German revelation. Their results must relate to the drivers seat of the pants comfort zone and their little familiarty in driving a high torque output car that has less rear end traction than all of the cars they test all year long.
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JimFlat6 said:
I dont think it matters what the ring time is for a F430.
The car is fast, handles well and is so beautful that it is equal parts Art and Car.
You cant hide a Ferrari F430s beauty. Even if painted the color of a Iowa Corn field and vandalized by its owner with lurid yellow interior stitching,its shape and beauty still burst forth. Its optics as the Germans say, evoke speed, a sense of occaision and it makes a glamorous presence.
Porsche can always make a 911 faster, but they cant make it prettier.
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JimFlat6 said:
Saurma and Rorhl have to be more comfortable driving balls to the walls in a Porsche or Ferrari than a Vette.
They are more used to a sophisticated chassis than a rocket engine mounted on a ox cart. And because they really dont
drive rockets attached to oxcarts much, I dont think they have the experience with such crudeness to feel truly comfortable extracting the last bit of speed from it.
I am not saying that to denigrate their skill, honesty or sincerity. Its just they are more used to a different caliber of machinery.
The accelleration numbers wich AMS gets for any Corvette they test are below every other magazine published on the planet.
You would have to believe that all of the other magazines tests of the world are not telling the truth, concoct lies
or on GMs payroll to take AMS's Corvette reviews as the final word.
AMS Corvette tests are too suspect to be just some sort of amazing German revelation. Their results must relate to the drivers seat of the pants comfort zone and their little familiarty in driving a high torque output car that has less rear end traction than all of the cars they test all year long.
Dec 16, 2005 10:11:43 AM
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dhayek said:
lets just face it , 7.55 with corsa tyres is more than disapointing. it means that with standard tyres ,time will jump over 8seconds ,and that is not acceptable for a 500hp ferrari.
a logical time would be 7.55 with standard street tyres.but like carlos wisely said lets see the conditions of the test before we kill the horse..
So maybe someone else should suggest that idea to AMS 
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JimFlat6 said:
For car tests at this level, I would like to see the compression and leak down test numbers of the cars they test.
Actually, if any of these automobile tests were truly scientific, the drivers brains would be electronically monitored and analyzed to compare activity, motor coordination speed and other vitals from lap to lap.
As you all know, I am not a brain surgeon
. But seriously, whenever a car doesn't perform as well as it should, it would be a good idea to do a compression test, like you suggested.
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JimFlat6 said:
Actually they should do both compression and leak down tests, and also OBD analysis of the cars. That would give a way to check for "trick" pistons and or non standard spec programming of the engine's management system.
In no tests have I seen a baseline report of the condition of the engine, only the mileage of the car. And a re-test after hard lapping would be interesting to see also.
Even if the car was dead stock mechanically, having the car professionally corner balanced, aligned and the standard oem tires shaved and trued can make a major difference in handling.
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JimFlat6 said:
Actually they should do both compression and leak down tests, and also OBD analysis of the cars. That would give a way to check for "trick" pistons and or non standard spec programming of the engine's management system.
In no tests have I seen a baseline report of the condition of the engine, only the mileage of the car. And a re-test after hard lapping would be interesting to see also.
Even if the car was dead stock mechanically, having the car professionally corner balanced, aligned and the standard oem tires shaved and trued can make a major difference in handling.
Very true. I know some italian car mags also make HP/TQ measurements both at the flywheel and at the wheels on all cars they test. The data available from their tests is just staggering (about a page worth of it). I think checking sports cars in this way would make it very difficult for the manufacturer to cheat. Imagine the disgrace when it would be discovered that the manufacturer sent a car with 50 more HP for testing. If all car mags did power testing there would be a lot less confusuion about who is right and who is wrong.
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svtrader1 said:
Sport Auto is a joke. Horse von Saurma is a Porsche puppet. With him behind the wheels of 997tt it would clock a 'Ring time of 7:45 sec. And the Z06 would see 7:57sec. Ring time is nonsense and meaning less.
Its best if you just deal with it, instead of fooling yourself and actching a tantrum
Remember our exchange of post regarding 996TT-X51 and F430 at the ring? and how the F430 was not going to be faster than the F360SC either?
Drink all the Sport Auto(Porsche) Kool Aid you want. But, Saurma has no credibility. Remember an 8:15 sec time for a standard corvette, when Corvette engineer Dave Hill did it at about 8:00 min.
That's when I realized this guy was bought and paid for.
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Crash said:
Here are all three tests:
Test in Auto Zeitung 08/2005
Gewicht 1520 kg
0 - 80 km/h 2,9 s
0 - 100 km/h 3,8 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,3 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 6,5 s
0 - 160 km/h 8,3 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,6 s
0 - 200 km/h 12,2 s
Test in ams 09/2005
Gewicht 1488 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,0 s
0 - 100 km/h 3,9 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,4 s
0 - 130 km/h 6,0 s
0 - 140 km/h 6,7 s
0 - 160 km/h 8,6 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,4 s
0 - 200 km/h 13,0 s
Test in sport auto 12/2005
Gewicht 1493 kg
0 - 80 km/h - s
0 - 100 km/h 4,0 s
0 - 120 km/h - s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h - s
0 - 160 km/h - s
0 - 180 km/h - s
0 - 200 km/h 12,6 s
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Crash said:
Here are all three tests:
Test in Auto Zeitung 08/2005
Gewicht 1520 kg
0 - 80 km/h 2,9 s
0 - 100 km/h 3,8 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,3 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 6,5 s
0 - 160 km/h 8,3 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,6 s
0 - 200 km/h 12,2 s
Test in ams 09/2005
Gewicht 1488 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,0 s
0 - 100 km/h 3,9 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,4 s
0 - 130 km/h 6,0 s
0 - 140 km/h 6,7 s
0 - 160 km/h 8,6 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,4 s
0 - 200 km/h 13,0 s
Test in sport auto 12/2005
Gewicht 1493 kg
0 - 80 km/h - s
0 - 100 km/h 4,0 s
0 - 120 km/h - s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h - s
0 - 160 km/h - s
0 - 180 km/h - s
0 - 200 km/h 12,6 s
The 0-200 figure in AutoZeitung has later been identified as a misprint. The true figure 0-200 was 13.2 not 12.2.
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JimFlat6 said:
Different brands of rolling dynometers and even different dyno operators working the same brand dyno can produce slightly different results.
It would be nice if at least one testing magazine settled on a brand and model of dyno and used the same technician for their tests of high end sports cars.
Didnt Mercedes get caught with a "special" SL55 awhile back?
Personally, I know of one new VW that was sent out to USA testers from the factory. It was so much faster than it should have been, that mechanics working at the track suggested removing its cylinder head to check piston diameters.
Guess what they found ?????
It had oversize pistons! Effectively increasing its displacement, and the piston heads were custom also.
VW when pushed about it, said it was a "mistake"
. Regarding the SL55, the (crafty ) bastards installed an SLR engine in it .
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JimFlat6 said:
I dont think it matters what the ring time is for a F430.
The car is fast, handles well and is so beautful that it is equal parts Art and Car.
You cant hide a Ferrari F430s beauty. Even if painted the color of a Iowa Corn field and vandalized by owners with lurid yellow interior stitching,its shape and beauty still burst forth. Its "optics" as the Germans say, evoke speed, a sense of occaision and a glamorous presence.
Porsche can always make a 911 faster, but they cant make it prettier.
Dec 16, 2005 4:56:43 PM
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JimFlat6 said:
I dont think it matters what the ring time is for a F430.
The car is fast, handles well and is so beautful that it is equal parts Art and Car.
You cant hide a Ferrari F430s beauty. Even if painted the color of a Iowa Corn field and vandalized by owners with lurid yellow interior stitching,its shape and beauty still burst forth. Its "optics" as the Germans say, evoke speed, a sense of occaision and a glamorous presence.
Porsche can always make a 911 faster, but they cant make it prettier.
a true ferrari sucker!!! they sold you what they got. slow and overpriced. and some of us, me anyway, think 430's are ugly, non-unified computer generated crummy designs
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