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Dec 15, 2005 8:08:19 AM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003

0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

Just what I have heard,

the 997 tt with pdk (we shouldn't call it dsg) is faster then Carrera GT!

I am not sure if 997 tt X50 reaches this fantastic time or a "normal" 997 tt.

In Weissach they test 997 tt, 997 tt X50, cab and PDK. Nobody could tell me what combinations will be offered from the beginning.

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Dec 15, 2005 8:21:15 AM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4100, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: ALDO

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

Mumbastic - so our previous disc-subject VTG really kicks in. If this is done by a non S model it would be shocking for the competition...

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Dec 15, 2005 8:58:20 AM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: BjoernB

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

If I can get one for 150.000 Euro with PDK and all my equipment I have today and this car is faster in acceleration then a Carrera GT I would buy one

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Dec 15, 2005 9:00:01 AM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: ALDO

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

Pozdrav Mumbasic!
I would like that you are right but, this specs are over optimistic, IMO. For this time 997t should have at least 550hp. My friend from Stuttgart said to me:'little bit better performance then 996 Turbo S'.
Also, I tried Golf R32 with and without DSG-I liked manual version more then DSG. DSG is good for beginner or average driver... I also liked BMW M6 SMGIII more then VW DSG but, thats only my personal opinion.

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Dec 15, 2005 9:12:31 AM

sergini: Veteran; Loc: Italy -Bologna , Italy; Posts: 1163, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 12, 2003; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

it's realistic ......

but i know :

4.0 with manual gearbox
3,8 with the new tiptronic (7 gears?)
3,7 with pdk

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Dec 15, 2005 11:15:56 AM

Avoe: Veteran; Loc: Vienna , Austria; Posts: 803, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 17, 2002; Reply to: sergini

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

tiptronik 3,8? forget it. if manual does 4 than tptronik will never do below 4.5.

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Dec 15, 2005 11:47:49 AM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: sergini

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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sergini said:
it's realistic ......

but i know :

4.0 with manual gearbox
3,8 with the new tiptronic (7 gears?)
3,7 with pdk

sergini ,tiptronic could never be faster than a manual gearbox ,even if it has 10 gears. dont forget that we call tiptronic is simply an automatic gearbox with a nice name..
as for dsg ,i tried it last week on a golf gti ,i didnt like it at all ,it had a automatic box style. very different from bmw's smg(the best) or ferrari's f1 .i love those last 2..

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Dec 15, 2005 11:50:43 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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Branimir said:DSG is good for beginner or average driver...

Michael Schumacher and all other F1 pilots are also faster with DSG technology... I would not quite call them beginner or average driver

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Dec 15, 2005 11:53:37 AM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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Branimir said:
Pozdrav Mumbasic!
I would like that you are right but, this specs are over optimistic, IMO. For this time 997t should have at least 550hp. My friend from Stuttgart said to me:'little bit better performance then 996 Turbo S'.
Also, I tried Golf R32 with and without DSG-I liked manual version more then DSG. DSG is good for beginner or average driver... I also liked BMW M6 SMGIII more then VW DSG but, thats only my personal opinion.

I have tried the M5 and M6 only with SMG III (there is no manual

). With M6 everyone can do the best acceleration. With a manual you have to know it. A good start without distroying the clutch and then one shift. With PDK/DSG/SMG it is easy

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Dec 15, 2005 11:54:58 AM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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MKSGR said:
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Branimir said:DSG is good for beginner or average driver...

Michael Schumacher and all other F1 pilots are also faster with DSG technology... I would not quite call them beginner or average driver

who knows after the last season

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Dec 15, 2005 11:58:30 AM

Tired: Co-Pilot; Loc: Michigan, USA; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 2, 2005; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

allows you to left foot break, right foot accelerate too, just like Michael Schumacher. Takes care of that pesky problem with learning heel and toe.

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Dec 15, 2005 12:07:30 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12682, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Avoe

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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Avoe said:
tiptronik 3,8? forget it. if manual does 4 than tptronik will never do below 4.5.

I also hear from a different source, that tiptronic should be faster than the manual. Can that be true?

I don't believe that...

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Dec 15, 2005 12:22:30 PM

AS: Co-Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 224, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 1, 2004; Reply to: dhayek

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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dhayek said:

i tried it last week on a golf gti ,i didnt like it at all ,it had a automatic box style. very different from bmw's smg(the best) or ferrari's f1 .i love those last 2..

that's only b/c VW has crappy interior design (the lever unit is way too busy).
the DSG transmission itself is excellent. all it needs is a small/simple lever (with 'N', 'M', 'A', 'R') like SMG &/or F1 & it'll be fine. as for creep (DSG) vs. no creep (SMG, F1, e-gear), i'm impartial to that.

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Dec 15, 2005 12:37:06 PM

Malmsteen: Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 493, Gallery; Registered on: May 16, 2005; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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Rossi said:
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Avoe said:
tiptronik 3,8? forget it. if manual does 4 than tptronik will never do below 4.5.

I also hear from a different source, that tiptronic should be faster than the manual. Can that be true?

I don't believe that...

the 0-100 manual time are done by very professional driver....
if 2 beginner-average drivers driving a manual and an automatic ...
automatic can be faster...ummm

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Dec 15, 2005 1:32:25 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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Rossi said:
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Avoe said:
tiptronik 3,8? forget it. if manual does 4 than tptronik will never do below 4.5.

I also hear from a different source, that tiptronic should be faster than the manual. Can that be true?

I don't believe that...

The source might confuse PDK and Tiptronic. Tiptronic cannot be faster than manual - but PDK will be faster...

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Dec 15, 2005 1:51:54 PM

temm: Rennteam Master; Loc: Oslo , Norway; Posts: 4122, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 24, 2003; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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MKSGR said:
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Rossi said:
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Avoe said:
tiptronik 3,8? forget it. if manual does 4 than tptronik will never do below 4.5.

I also hear from a different source, that tiptronic should be faster than the manual. Can that be true?

I don't believe that...

The source might confuse PDK and Tiptronic. Tiptronic cannot be faster than manual - but PDK will be faster...

Well the Mercedes SLK 350 is 0.2 sec faster from 0-100 kph with the 7G-Tronic automatic compared to the manual transmission.
It might be a bad example, but if the auto tranny gets 7 gears (1 more than the manual), that might make up for the loss just like in the SLK...

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Dec 15, 2005 2:22:59 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59602, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: ALDO

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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mumbasic said:
Just what I have heard,

the 997 tt with pdk (we shouldn't call it dsg) is faster then Carrera GT!

I am not sure if 997 tt X50 reaches this fantastic time or a "normal" 997 tt.

In Weissach they test 997 tt, 997 tt X50, cab and PDK. Nobody could tell me what combinations will be offered from the beginning.

AM

I heard the 3.7 sec. time before, I think I posted it a week or two ago but I never had any confirmation for it. Now it seems even more credible, it can't be just a coincidence that you heard the same number.

The question is: is this number valid for PDK(DSG) only?

I still don't get it: why does Porsche make such a big deal out of the new 997 Turbo? If they want to surprise people, they should just release a press announcement saying that the 997 Turbo has 508 HP. Period.

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Dec 15, 2005 2:28:17 PM

sergini: Veteran; Loc: Italy -Bologna , Italy; Posts: 1163, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 12, 2003; Reply to: RC

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

Porsche Italy says 3.7 seconds .

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Dec 15, 2005 2:30:34 PM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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RC said:

I still don't get it: why does Porsche make such a big deal out of the new 997 Turbo? If they want to surprise people, they should just release a press announcement saying that the 997 Turbo has 508 HP. Period.

Perhaps they still will?

I do hope that 0-100kph 3.7 time (or 0-60mph around 3.5

) is for the 6-speed manual. That should enable the car to get to 160kph under 8 and to 200kph under 12, assuming competent shifting. PDK (Pretty darned kwik?

) may be faster, but for me-less fun.

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Dec 15, 2005 2:37:44 PM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: Avoe

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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Avoe said:
tiptronik 3,8? forget it. if manual does 4 than tptronik will never do below 4.5.

I've drivin tips 996TT and it is fast. I'm sure 997TT would be probably faster than the 996TT. Surprisingly the tips on the turbo is a different animal than the NA models.

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Dec 15, 2005 2:54:51 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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Al Pettee said:
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RC said:

I still don't get it: why does Porsche make such a big deal out of the new 997 Turbo? If they want to surprise people, they should just release a press announcement saying that the 997 Turbo has 508 HP. Period.

Perhaps they still will?

I do hope that 0-100kph 3.7 time (or 0-60mph around 3.5 ) is for the 6-speed manual. That should enable the car to get to 160kph under 8 and to 200kph under 12, assuming competent shifting. PDK (Pretty darned kwik? ) may be faster, but for me-less fun.

if this figure will be true ,0 to 100 3.7 ,0 to 200 under 12 , porsche would have done a remarquable job..specially since they are conservative with their figures... lets wait and see.....

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Dec 15, 2005 3:06:24 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59602, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: dhayek

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dhayek said:
if this figure will be true ,0 to 100 3.7 ,0 to 200 under 12 , porsche would have done a remarquable job..specially since they are conservative with their figures... lets wait and see.....

If true, they'll sell this car like warm bread.

And don't forget: a few software tweaks (hopefully by someone who does know his job due to the new VTG technology) and you have at least 40-50 HP more without exchanging one single hardware part.

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Dec 15, 2005 3:08:15 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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RC said:
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dhayek said:
if this figure will be true ,0 to 100 3.7 ,0 to 200 under 12 , porsche would have done a remarquable job..specially since they are conservative with their figures... lets wait and see.....

If true, they'll sell this car like warm bread.
And don't forget: a few software tweaks (hopefully by someone who does know his job due to the new VTG technology) and you have at least 40-50 HP more without exchanging one single hardware part.

Christian, any idea on how the 997TT will compare to the Z06? The 996TT and C5Z were neck and neck, how will, in your opinion, the 997TT(S) and the C6Z stack up against each other?

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Dec 15, 2005 3:50:03 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59602, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Crash

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I don't have a clue, Crash.

The C6Z is a bargain for it's money, no doubt about it. But I'm afraid Porsche doesn't really care about the Corvette as one of the possible competitors, they're looking more towards the F430, Gallardo, etc..

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Dec 15, 2005 4:08:09 PM

Nick_Athens: Senior; Loc: Greece , Greece; Posts: 710, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

I think Porsche works on something. For this reason they dont post the Press Release... I cant explain it. We have to think as they do.

if i was Porsche i wouldnt put in the production line a car that is SLOWER in 0-100 than my main competitor.. F430 has 0-100 in 4sec and some repliable magazines says 3.9sec
I wouldnt also produce a car with less horsepower than my main competitor. this is bad for the image of Porsche.

Also the final thing i hope to see is to place the DSG gearbox from the early beginning of the model. It is not fair for all us that have ordered the car. what we will buy it and then sell it for a dsg version ?!

so lets wait and we will find out...

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Dec 15, 2005 4:49:57 PM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: Nick_Athens

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Aisxos said:
I think Porsche works on something. For this reason they dont post the Press Release... I cant explain it. We have to think as they do.

if i was Porsche i wouldnt put in the production line a car that is SLOWER in 0-100 than my main competitor.. F430 has 0-100 in 4sec and some repliable magazines says 3.9sec
I wouldnt also produce a car with less horsepower than my main competitor. this is bad for the image of Porsche.

Also the final thing i hope to see is to place the DSG gearbox from the early beginning of the model. It is not fair for all us that have ordered the car. what we will buy it and then sell it for a dsg version ?!

so lets wait and we will find out...

Aisxos,

It would be nice if the press release were actually being intentionally "delayed" so Porsche could "scramble" to find more power, but, as RC said, all it takes is a little software programming

of an engine designed to easily handle 600+ peak HP and Nm torque. But I think the whole 997TT process is orchestrated, like a good opera (Die Walkure

), with a prolonged test mule "strip-tease,"

one piece of clothing at a time-now we're down to just the high-heeled shoes and some underpants-we're almost there, we just don't know yet how she can perform.

Also, the 911Turbo has usually been less powered (on paper) than its competition, but those are just peak HP and torque #'s, and due to the car's rear-engine setup, chassis and gearing, it has in the past been competitive with its performance figures-even with fewer ponies. HOWEVER, the competition has upped the ante, so we all hope the 997TT version rises to the challenge. . . .

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Dec 15, 2005 5:05:23 PM

69bossnine: Rennteam Pro; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 2028, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2005; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

Whenever I see 0-100kph discussions, or 0-60 mph discussions, I'm compelled to toss-in my "who cares" post. For any car with over 300 h.p., let alone 500+, 0-100 or 0-60 represents nothing more than a "launch". Let's wait to see a full 1/4 mile run, with trap speed, or 0-200 kph, to see what the real nature of the car is. Why worry about 0-100, are you planning on street racing against Honda Civics and VW Golfs?? Leave the dinky sprints for the dinky cars, 0-100 doesn't do you much good when a REAL car just reels you in and spits you out!

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Dec 15, 2005 5:28:21 PM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: 69bossnine

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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69bossnine said:
Whenever I see 0-100kph discussions, or 0-60 mph discussions, I'm compelled to toss-in my "who cares" post. For any car with over 300 h.p., let alone 500+, 0-100 or 0-60 represents nothing more than a "launch". Let's wait to see a full 1/4 mile run, with trap speed, or 0-200 kph, to see what the real nature of the car is. Why worry about 0-100, are you planning on street racing against Honda Civics and VW Golfs?? Leave the dinky sprints for the dinky cars, 0-100 doesn't do you much good when a REAL car just reels you in and spits you out!

Yes, I agree that launch times alone won't tell the whole performance story, but a car's 0-60mph or 0-100mph or 40-110mph (a trendy measure reported more frequently) times do quantitate a car's functional power and torque, similar to 'Ring times. Knowing that a baseball pitcher can throw a 100mph fastball doesn't completely convince the scouts that he can succeed in the majors, since pitch selection, control (accuracy), and ability to change speeds (such as throwing a slider at 90mph and a hard breaking curve at 75mph with lots of movement) obviously are just as important. So, a 997TT that is ECU-limited to peak HP and Nm torque of, say, 480/640, instead of, say, 508/680, will be slower which will show up in its 0-60mph/0-100mph times, 'Ring times, as well as quarter times with trap speed. All the reason I want to see the 997TT full specs. and performance #'s.

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Dec 15, 2005 6:12:03 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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Al Pettee said:
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69bossnine said:
Whenever I see 0-100kph discussions, or 0-60 mph discussions, I'm compelled to toss-in my "who cares" post. For any car with over 300 h.p., let alone 500+, 0-100 or 0-60 represents nothing more than a "launch". Let's wait to see a full 1/4 mile run, with trap speed, or 0-200 kph, to see what the real nature of the car is. Why worry about 0-100, are you planning on street racing against Honda Civics and VW Golfs?? Leave the dinky sprints for the dinky cars, 0-100 doesn't do you much good when a REAL car just reels you in and spits you out!

Yes, I agree that launch times alone won't tell the whole performance story, but a car's 0-60mph or 0-100mph or 40-110mph (a trendy measure reported more frequently) times do quantitate a car's functional power and torque, similar to 'Ring times. Knowing that a baseball pitcher can throw a 100mph fastball doesn't completely convince the scouts that he can succeed in the majors, since pitch selection, control (accuracy), and ability to change speeds (such as throwing a slider at 90mph and a hard breaking curve at 75mph with lots of movement) obviously are just as important. So, a 997TT that is ECU-limited to peak HP and Nm torque of, say, 480/640, instead of, say, 508/680, will be slower which will show up in its 0-60mph/0-100mph times, 'Ring times, as well as quarter times with trap speed. All the reason I want to see the 997TT full specs. and performance #'s.

I seriously doubt it will only have 640 Nm. The 996TT X50/TTS already had 650 Nm. I don't think we should expect less than 700 Nm.

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Dec 15, 2005 6:14:23 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59602, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Crash

Re: 0-100 in 3.7 997 tt with pdk

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Crash said:
I seriously doubt it will only have 640 Nm. The 996TT X50/TTS already had 650 Nm. I don't think we should expect less than 700 Nm.

You guys still don't read all posts...what a shame. Because if you would read them all...

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