Jun 16, 2005 12:54:31 AM
- Holminator
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Jun 16, 2005 12:54:31 AM
Jun 16, 2005 1:06:25 AM
Jun 16, 2005 9:36:06 AM
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Superbird said:the one thing that struck me most when looking at the NBC4 footage was how the concrete barrier is almost perpendicular to the track. About halfway through the video you can see a very wide shot of the scene where it seems like they were building some sort of stage, and temporarily moved the barriers to go around it. I think you can even see the prints on the grass of where the barrier used to be.
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Yargk said:
I am still saddened by this tragedy.
Did the CGT have racing style 3 inch wide belts in a 5 point set up? Since it has never come up to my knowledge, I guess Porsche doesn't have any "factory" way of attaching these belts to the chassis directly or through a factory harness bar. I think something's wrong when you can install a very clean factory race harness setup in a GT3 and not in a CGT with 200+ more hp.
Jun 16, 2005 4:20:21 PM
Jun 16, 2005 5:50:04 PM
Jun 16, 2005 6:30:04 PM
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Holminator said:
PS Personal choice I know, but I think I would have made a choice to hit the wall rather than potentially kill others in another vehicle. I agree with you: tough choice no matter what.
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Holminator said:
PS Personal choice I know, but I think I would have made a choice to hit the wall rather than potentially kill others in another vehicle. I agree with you: tough choice no matter what.
I think a surprise (suddenly seeing the other car in your line) at that speed leaves very little room for a "decision". I think it was mostly a reflex
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nberry said:Ben reacted as any one of us of would have and probably what professional drivers would have done. I doubt anyone could have saved the situation.
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Raz (NC) said:
Nick,
Can you please keep us posted of your findings? Thanks.
Jun 20, 2005 1:33:21 PM
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Holminator said:
Not sure this is what I was looking for RC my friend and point no. 2 is entirely inconsistent with my 16-year profession (but if it works for you, go with it). I'm more interested in the track layout, where the point of decision was on the track. Velocities, etc. Thanks RC; you're cool. Did Porsche send a team to look into the matter? What did they find? What changes are being made at the track? Anyone has any post-accident interview info? What was the cause of death? What was the condition of the tires (good one RC)?
PS Personal choice I know, but I think I would have made a choice to hit the wall rather than potentially kill others in another vehicle. I agree with you: tough choice no matter what.
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RC said:
But one thing has to be clear and PLEASE, never forget that, no matter if you have a one year or twenty years driving experience: what happend to Ben can happen to ANY of us ANY TIME. Keep this in mind and drive safely.
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RC said:
But one thing has to be clear and PLEASE, never forget that, no matter if you have a one year or twenty years driving experience: what happend to Ben can happen to ANY of us ANY TIME. Keep this in mind and drive safely.
There is an on going investigation which will includes a complete inspection of the car and interviewing of all witnesses. In addition, it involves review of video.
When it is appropriate and with the permission of the family I will be happy to share the findings. I am sure Ben would have wanted it to be shared with all of you particularly if anything instructive can be passed on.
BTW, I also agree with Christian (RC) regarding how we drive our cars.
Jun 21, 2005 1:51:03 AM
Jun 21, 2005 2:49:25 AM
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Holminator said:
Okay, enough time as passed I hope. No disrespect to the victims is intended. They were/are great men. I think we need to discuss this issue to learn what went wrong and move on. I do not know any credible facts of why the crash happened and how the vehicle held up. I have a need to know since I plan to be on the track and on the high mountain roads pushing it to the limit, if not in a CGT, certainly in a Porsche product. To live in fear is not to live at all. Please help me understand what happened, particularly if you were there or have access to the crash data. Thank you.
Jun 21, 2005 11:33:35 AM
Jun 21, 2005 1:19:17 PM
Jun 21, 2005 6:52:59 PM
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Trundle997S said:
The simple truth is that we will never know what really happened.
I do know that limit driving is a skill that is an acquired one thru seat time and not any other way. Sadly, Ben to my knowledge, and from what I've read and heard, did not have that kind of experience. Having the means to own a CGT, and driving fast does not build the skill set of high speed handling and control.
Being on the gas and presented with the surprize of a slow moving car appearing ahead, an abrupt lift and steering correction, could very well unsettle the car and create a trailing throtle oversteer condition and from that point on the diver then becomes a passenger.
Tragic
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nberry said:
Also you are assuming that Ben encounter a slower car in front of him. Not so!
RC I must disagree with your last post regarding it is OK to do 145mph SO LONG AS THE DRIVER KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. That is exactly the wrong way to think because knowledgeable drivers cannot anticipate everything( unless your God) that could happen at those speeds. ANY hazard encounter will morely than likely cause a major accident and probably lead to serious injury.