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Mar 29, 2005 7:09:20 PM
- Ryan in SD
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Mar 29, 2005 7:18:17 PM
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Re: Car Enthusiast Dies in Carrera GT Crash
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RIP, Prabhakar Chadha:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showt...;threadid=24111
The CGT is a very unforgiving car.Its awesome power requires inordinate vigilance Yet being a Porsche, it probably is one of the safest. To burn to death required him to puncture the fuel tank upon collision. I cannot imagine what could have caused that.
Very sad and troubling.
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To burn to death required him to puncture the fuel tank upon collision.
A punctured fuel tank is one of many ways to cause a fire. Please keep in the mind the following:
1) The CGT's high performance engine generates copious amounts of heat.
2) A vehicle's engine compartment contains many flammable liquids - engine oil, hydraulic brake fluid, transmission fluid and engine coolant among them. Before or during the crash, a leak of any of these liquids may lead to a fire.
Sources:
http://www.cartalk.com/content/puzzler/transcripts/199632/answer.html
http://fp.arizona.edu/riskmgmt/flash_point.htm
http://www.waltersforensic.com/articles/fire_investigation/vol3-no1.htm
http://www.club-arnage.com/97rpt.htm
Mar 30, 2005 7:18:17 AM
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Poor car
Not a very smart comment
Although I didn't get the chance to meet this fela, I heard a lot of good things about him and now I have nothing but prayers to offer.
On the other hand, this is the 2nd CGT to be totaled in Dubai in less than a year. Makes me have 2nd thoughts regarding my order.
Mar 30, 2005 11:28:47 AM
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My earlier comment was much too cold and stupid.. I feel really sorry for that guy, but others driving errors shouldn't make you have 2nd thoughts about your order. I mean super sport cars like the CGT are very powerful.. but on the other hand this should earn the car some respect from the driver.. The driver should know what the car is truely capable of and ronsider this when taking it for a spin.. Having been to Dubai several times, i've seen the most bizzare and dangerous drivers ever.. I can also only offer my prayers, but it didnt surprise me that it happened in Dubai
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MAVERICK said:Quote:
nberry said:
To burn to death required him to puncture the fuel tank upon collision.
A punctured fuel tank is one of many ways to cause a fire. Please keep in the mind the following:
1) The CGT's high performance engine generates copious amounts of heat.
2) A vehicle's engine compartment contains many flammable liquids - engine oil, hydraulic brake fluid, transmission fluid and engine coolant among them. Before or during the crash, a leak of any of these liquids may lead to a fire.
Sources:
http://www.cartalk.com/content/puzzler/transcripts/199632/answer.html
http://fp.arizona.edu/riskmgmt/flash_point.htm
http://www.waltersforensic.com/articles/fire_investigation/vol3-no1.htm
http://www.club-arnage.com/97rpt.htm
A fire large enough to engulf the passenger cabin and burn the occupants can be caused by brake fluid, engine oil?
If these lead to invasion of the fuel tank, then I can see it happening. However, as the sole source of the fire, very doubtful. 
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MAVERICK said:Quote:
nberry said:
To burn to death required him to puncture the fuel tank upon collision.
A punctured fuel tank is one of many ways to cause a fire. Please keep in the mind the following:
1) The CGT's high performance engine generates copious amounts of heat.
2) A vehicle's engine compartment contains many flammable liquids - engine oil, hydraulic brake fluid, transmission fluid and engine coolant among them. Before or during the crash, a leak of any of these liquids may lead to a fire.
Sources:
http://www.cartalk.com/content/puzzler/transcripts/199632/answer.html
http://fp.arizona.edu/riskmgmt/flash_point.htm
http://www.waltersforensic.com/articles/fire_investigation/vol3-no1.htm
http://www.club-arnage.com/97rpt.htm
A fire large enough to engulf the passenger cabin and burn the occupants can be caused by brake fluid, engine oil?
Nick,
I, too, shared your doubts before reading the four sources I cited above.
Mar 30, 2005 6:29:26 PM
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Re: Car Enthusiast Dies in Carrera GT Crash
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MAVERICK said:Quote:
nberry said:Quote:
MAVERICK said:Quote:
nberry said:
To burn to death required him to puncture the fuel tank upon collision.
A punctured fuel tank is one of many ways to cause a fire. Please keep in the mind the following:
1) The CGT's high performance engine generates copious amounts of heat.
2) A vehicle's engine compartment contains many flammable liquids - engine oil, hydraulic brake fluid, transmission fluid and engine coolant among them. Before or during the crash, a leak of any of these liquids may lead to a fire.
Sources:
http://www.cartalk.com/content/puzzler/transcripts/199632/answer.html
http://fp.arizona.edu/riskmgmt/flash_point.htm
http://www.waltersforensic.com/articles/fire_investigation/vol3-no1.htm
http://www.club-arnage.com/97rpt.htm
A fire large enough to engulf the passenger cabin and burn the occupants can be caused by brake fluid, engine oil?
Nick,
I, too, shared your doubts before reading the four sources I cited above.
Keep in mind too that ALL parts of a car except the actual metal and glass will burn. You just need something to ignite/start the fire and the whole car will quickly become engulfed. Leather, carbon fiber and its associated resins, etc. will act as excellent fuel sources for a fire in addition to the liquids mentioned.
Mar 30, 2005 7:14:11 PM
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Re: Car Enthusiast Dies in Carrera GT Crash
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Jeff (in SF) said:Quote:
MAVERICK said:Quote:
nberry said:Quote:
MAVERICK said:Quote:
nberry said:
To burn to death required him to puncture the fuel tank upon collision.
A punctured fuel tank is one of many ways to cause a fire. Please keep in the mind the following:
1) The CGT's high performance engine generates copious amounts of heat.
2) A vehicle's engine compartment contains many flammable liquids - engine oil, hydraulic brake fluid, transmission fluid and engine coolant among them. Before or during the crash, a leak of any of these liquids may lead to a fire.
Sources:
http://www.cartalk.com/content/puzzler/transcripts/199632/answer.html
http://fp.arizona.edu/riskmgmt/flash_point.htm
http://www.waltersforensic.com/articles/fire_investigation/vol3-no1.htm
http://www.club-arnage.com/97rpt.htm
A fire large enough to engulf the passenger cabin and burn the occupants can be caused by brake fluid, engine oil?
Nick,
I, too, shared your doubts before reading the four sources I cited above.
Keep in mind too that ALL parts of a car except the actual metal and glass will burn. You just need something to ignite/start the fire and the whole car will quickly become engulfed. Leather, carbon fiber and its associated resins, etc. will act as excellent fuel sources for a fire in addition to the liquids mentioned.
Jeff you raise an interesting point. Car fires are frequent and deadly. One would think car manufacturers would factor these items in their safety analysis of the passenger compartment.
Mar 30, 2005 9:12:52 PM
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Re: Car Enthusiast Dies in Carrera GT Crash
Its a terrible thing...I do hope it serves as a lesson to people in Dubai and the UAE. I have spent a lot of time out there. My Father is a Doctor out there so I hear about all the crashes. Too many young lads driving high power cars crash and die.. Its a serious problem. People drive way to fast in the UAE, I'm not talking about 20 mph over the limit!.. The young wealthy arabs will drive their AMG merc / Porsche whatever as fast as they can go.. The Government really needs to stamp down on the speeding problem..
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Car fires are frequent and deadly. One would think car manufacturers would factor these items in their safety analysis of the passenger compartment.
There already are legal requirements relating to the flammibility of materials used in car interiors.
Short of limiting the materials used to glass, unpainted metal and maybe asbestos, it's not feasible to eliminate the use of flammible materials.
And all three materials mentioned have their own safety issues in this context.
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xspencex said:
.. The young wealthy arabs will drive their AMG merc / Porsche whatever as fast as they can go..
Well.. The guy was an Indian!
Indian, Arab whatever.. they act the same way....rich young..show offs push each other to silly things... when you crash a car at 160 mph + there really isn't much left.. and to have a car that would do that speed in no time..with people as irresponsible as some are out there is just asking for trouble... when will the government do something... dunno...to busy making money I guess to worry about its youth..
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The young wealthy arabs
Althought I tend to agree, arab people are passionate people, there are lots of foreigners in the UAE and other middle east countries who love to drive fast and don't really have respect for traffic laws. Same here in Germany, the US and other countries too.
My prayers go to him and his family, it is sad to die this way. A car is supposed to provide fun, not sadness.
It can happen to us all, we should never forget this, especially when we're out there driving the hell out of our cars. We should also make sure that our cars are technically 100% OK and that the tires have the right pressure and no damages.
A sad incident, indeed...who the hell cares about the destroyed car? I certainly don't.
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Arabs are passionate..very much so..but this passion does tend to end up with a lot of them dead.. they have a racing cicuit now.. lets get the passion of speed showing there..not on highways.. Seriously the amount of young guys killed in road traffic accidents is huge... passion is one thing stupidity is another..
I really feel for this guys family..its just another young waste of life..brought about by the speed culture in the UAE..
I really feel for this guys family..its just another young waste of life..brought about by the speed culture in the UAE..
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Hello Everyone
Thanks to all who posted their thoughts about the guy who was killed in his GT in Dubai. I wanted to add some info to this as I knew him personally as well as his family. We were and still are brothers. He was killed in the car he loved the most, the CGT. A few days before the accident he said that if he were to die, he wanted his GT buried next to him. He had a special garage built just for the car.
Another member of this forum mentioned that it was bad driving that lead to his death, I want to make clear that it WAS NOT THE CASE AT ALL. Their is a formal investigation with the police as we discuss this. There were other cars involved and debris from one of the lead cars caused the accident to happen. The reason the car caught fire was because the fuel tank was punctured when the car hit the first central divder where it riocheted into the left hand divder. My friend fought the car every step of the way to retry and gain control, but with the speed involved and the tarmac the way it was, he lost alot of grip next to the first divider and couldnt gain sufficient control to save the car. As the editor of this forum said, forget the car, I couldn't agree more. As for any unfriedndly comments, It is not our place to judge or make comments like that, considering that you dont know the whole picture and it easy to critise and blame the dead. Thanks to all who paid tribte to him.He was a stand up guy, and amazing friend and generous with life to the ones he loved, you will be missed. I will be speaking to his family and they will overwhelmed that total strangers are paying respect to their lost one. REST IN PEACE PHC
Thanks to all who posted their thoughts about the guy who was killed in his GT in Dubai. I wanted to add some info to this as I knew him personally as well as his family. We were and still are brothers. He was killed in the car he loved the most, the CGT. A few days before the accident he said that if he were to die, he wanted his GT buried next to him. He had a special garage built just for the car.
Another member of this forum mentioned that it was bad driving that lead to his death, I want to make clear that it WAS NOT THE CASE AT ALL. Their is a formal investigation with the police as we discuss this. There were other cars involved and debris from one of the lead cars caused the accident to happen. The reason the car caught fire was because the fuel tank was punctured when the car hit the first central divder where it riocheted into the left hand divder. My friend fought the car every step of the way to retry and gain control, but with the speed involved and the tarmac the way it was, he lost alot of grip next to the first divider and couldnt gain sufficient control to save the car. As the editor of this forum said, forget the car, I couldn't agree more. As for any unfriedndly comments, It is not our place to judge or make comments like that, considering that you dont know the whole picture and it easy to critise and blame the dead. Thanks to all who paid tribte to him.He was a stand up guy, and amazing friend and generous with life to the ones he loved, you will be missed. I will be speaking to his family and they will overwhelmed that total strangers are paying respect to their lost one. REST IN PEACE PHC
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Hello Everyone
Thanks to all who posted their thoughts about the guy who was killed in his GT in Dubai. I wanted to add some info to this as I knew him personally as well as his family. We were and still are brothers. He was killed in the car he loved the most, the CGT. A few days before the accident he said that if he were to die, he wanted his GT buried next to him. He had a special garage built just for the car.
Another member of this forum mentioned that it was bad driving that lead to his death, I want to make clear that it WAS NOT THE CASE AT ALL. Their is a formal investigation with the police as we discuss this. There were other cars involved and debris from one of the lead cars caused the accident to happen. The reason the car caught fire was because the fuel tank was punctured when the car hit the first central divder where it riocheted into the left hand divder. My friend fought the car every step of the way to retry and gain control, but with the speed involved and the tarmac the way it was, he lost alot of grip next to the first divider and couldnt gain sufficient control to save the car. As the editor of this forum said, forget the car, I couldn't agree more. As for any unfriedndly comments, It is not our place to judge or make comments like that, considering that you dont know the whole picture and it easy to critise and blame the dead. Thanks to all who paid tribte to him.He was a stand up guy, and amazing friend and generous with life to the ones he loved, you will be missed. I will be speaking to his family and they will overwhelmed that total strangers are paying respect to their lost one. REST IN PEACE PHC
Sorry to hear that you lost your brother . We all know the moment we step in our car and drive it to or near the limit that we are taking a risk. You always need to be prepared for the unexpected to happen.
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Hi Zurich
Thanks Zurich for your kind words. It is true we take risks every time we drive. The problem also lies with the fact that anyone with the right amount of money can buy a high performance car. But showing restraint is another, you can not buy that. You can be the safeset driver on the planet, but you still have manics surronding you. Regards NC
Thanks Zurich for your kind words. It is true we take risks every time we drive. The problem also lies with the fact that anyone with the right amount of money can buy a high performance car. But showing restraint is another, you can not buy that. You can be the safeset driver on the planet, but you still have manics surronding you. Regards NC
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You can be the safeset driver on the planet, but you still have manics surronding you. Regards NC
That's exactely what I meant by the unexpected... for example overtaking a truck on the autobahn who decides to move to the left lane when you're next to it...
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These are some of the reasons I do not have a motorbike today. When I reached 120-140 HP on the motorbikes available I backed of and got myself a car.
Gives me a lot of thoughts when I hear people die in an accident like this, whether a CGT or another car.
Gives me a lot of thoughts when I hear people die in an accident like this, whether a CGT or another car.
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