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    22 juin 2016 18:03:26

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    How much turbo-power can one manage with only rear wheel drive and no nannies?  

    IMHO it is getting a bit silly when street legal cars for enthusiasts far out-power race cars for professional drivers. Then again, just my opinion and clearly there is a market for these cars.


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    22 juin 2016 19:05:24

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    bluelines:

    How much turbo-power can one manage with only rear wheel drive and no nannies?  

    IMHO it is getting a bit silly when street legal cars for enthusiasts far out-power race cars for professional drivers. Then again, just my opinion and clearly there is a market for these cars.

    650hp would be absolutely no problem - the old GT2RS with 620hp has virtually no traction issues at all Smiley

    22 juin 2016 20:00:10

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    MKSGR:
    bluelines:

    How much turbo-power can one manage with only rear wheel drive and no nannies?  

    IMHO it is getting a bit silly when street legal cars for enthusiasts far out-power race cars for professional drivers. Then again, just my opinion and clearly there is a market for these cars.

    650hp would be absolutely no problem - the old GT2RS with 620hp has virtually no traction issues at all Smiley

    I bet it will be more than a 25hp gain after 7 years...


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    22 juin 2016 20:03:36

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    I guess there is a limit for just how much power every specific car can handle. Just look at Koenigsegg... Not even the Stig can keep that one on track

    I think 700 hp will be great on the GT2, but to be honest I prefer NA cars on track so far. But hopefully I will be able to give you a better view on just how good/bad a 700 hp RWD Porsche is on track mid spring 2018smiley

    22 juin 2016 20:11:38

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    Grant:
    MKSGR:
    bluelines:

    How much turbo-power can one manage with only rear wheel drive and no nannies?  

    IMHO it is getting a bit silly when street legal cars for enthusiasts far out-power race cars for professional drivers. Then again, just my opinion and clearly there is a market for these cars.

    650hp would be absolutely no problem - the old GT2RS with 620hp has virtually no traction issues at all Smiley

    I bet it will be more than a 25hp gain after 7 years...

    I don't think so - Porsche always keeps an eye on the generation of cars that follow the new car. If they go higher than 650hp the 992 has a problem...

    22 juin 2016 20:16:34

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    MKSGR:

    I don't think so - Porsche always keeps an eye on the generation of cars that follow the new car. If they go higher than 650hp the 992 has a problem...

    I'll bet you a beer Smiley  I think the 992 high power models will have hybrid systems with enough power to exceed whatever goes into the GT2.


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    22 juin 2016 20:28:02

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    Grant:
    MKSGR:

    I don't think so - Porsche always keeps an eye on the generation of cars that follow the new car. If they go higher than 650hp the 992 has a problem...

    I'll bet you a beer Smiley  I think the 992 high power models will have hybrid systems with enough power to exceed whatever goes into the GT2.

    Ok Smiley But maybe you will have to ship the bottle to Europe Smiley

    22 juin 2016 20:41:22

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    I think the car will probably be 650-700 hp.

    Will be needed to get close-ish to 488 GTB, 488 "Speciale", 675LT, P14, and Ford GT while still costing less.

    22 juin 2016 20:41:39

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    It will be a great question as to how much power a GT2Rs will make.

    My F12 is borderline putting down 730HP, granted it is a front engine car, the GT2RS will have an advantage there being rear engined, but also the un-linear power delivery of the turbo system.

    Also not sure if Porsche can tune their traction control as good as McLaren, who are quite a bit ahead in that department. 


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    22 juin 2016 20:49:52

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    MKSGR:
    Grant:
    MKSGR:

    I don't think so - Porsche always keeps an eye on the generation of cars that follow the new car. If they go higher than 650hp the 992 has a problem...

    I'll bet you a beer Smiley  I think the 992 high power models will have hybrid systems with enough power to exceed whatever goes into the GT2.

    Ok Smiley But maybe you will have to ship the bottle to Europe Smiley

    I'd rather deliver it in person (but not beer from here) Smiley


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    22 juin 2016 20:56:53

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    I've heard that the Porsche engineers taken this to the limit and got pretty much free hands. Not below 690 hp is the rumor and a VERY capable car in all aspects.....kiss

    22 juin 2016 21:06:46

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    By the way Nick, back to Leipzig in three weeks. I'll see if a meet with some one that might know a bit more than "rumors"...yes

    22 juin 2016 21:28:16

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    The farmer:

    I've heard that the Porsche engineers taken this to the limit and got pretty much free hands. Not below 690 hp is the rumor and a VERY capable car in all aspects.....kiss

    That sounds like a beer for me Smiley


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    22 juin 2016 21:34:27

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    Grant:
    MKSGR:
    Grant:
    MKSGR:

    I don't think so - Porsche always keeps an eye on the generation of cars that follow the new car. If they go higher than 650hp the 992 has a problem...

    I'll bet you a beer Smiley  I think the 992 high power models will have hybrid systems with enough power to exceed whatever goes into the GT2.

    Ok Smiley But maybe you will have to ship the bottle to Europe Smiley

    I'd rather deliver it in person (but not beer from here) Smiley

    Doesn't Coors travel very well?  Smiley


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    22 juin 2016 21:37:00

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    fritz:

    Doesn't Coors travel very well?  Smiley

    It doesn't even start off very well Smiley

    We do have excellent small craft breweries in Denver though (more than most any US city).


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    22 juin 2016 21:39:11

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    Grant:
    fritz:

    Doesn't Coors travel very well?  Smiley

    It doesn't even start off very well Smiley

    We do have excellent small craft breweries in Denver though (more than most any US city).

    Smiley


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    22 juin 2016 21:45:29

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    Driving the CGT 612hp, weighing 3100 lbs and no nannies was enough to tell me cars at that level are beyond my driving capabilities. I suspect that is the case for most of us though we would never acknowledge it.surprise


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    22 juin 2016 21:50:25

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    nberry:

    Driving the CGT 612hp, weighing 3100 lbs and no nannies was enough to tell me cars at that level are beyond my driving capabilities. I suspect that is the case for most of us though we would never acknowledge it.surprise

    I think plenty of us would admit that a CGT is a pretty intimidating proposition.  But much better tires, PSM and other safety advancements, PDK or rev-matching Manual (rather than that difficult carbon clutch), and rear-engine traction make a 700hp GT2RS far less intimidating than a CGT, imo.


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    22 juin 2016 22:41:26

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    Obviously it is up to one and each other to decided what they can handle in terms of power and
    2WD. The important part is to know your own limits and drive accordingly.

    23 juin 2016 05:31:48

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    Grant:
    MKSGR:
    Grant:
    MKSGR:

    I don't think so - Porsche always keeps an eye on the generation of cars that follow the new car. If they go higher than 650hp the 992 has a problem...

    I'll bet you a beer Smiley  I think the 992 high power models will have hybrid systems with enough power to exceed whatever goes into the GT2.

    Ok Smiley But maybe you will have to ship the bottle to Europe Smiley

    I'd rather deliver it in person (but not beer from here) Smiley

    Smiley

    23 juin 2016 07:54:08

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    Even with power "nannies", the driver cannot beat physics (or stupidity for that matter). So yes, the nannies allow non-professional drivers to be sensationally fast in some of these hp monsters but it still takes a good driver to keep everything under control, even with the nannies watching out for you. 


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    23 juin 2016 09:59:34

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    "" Power Nannies"", brilliant indecision..

    Yes, my GT3 will still slip with them on..


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    23 juin 2016 13:18:37

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    Just received word that my Targa is sitting at the port of Emden and will not get on a ship until July 8th. It's been at the port since June 21st. I also understand that there is a boat that leaves for San Diego on June 28th. What kind of scheduling has my car sitting at a port for almost three weeks when there is a boat leaving within a week?mail


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    23 juin 2016 13:37:58

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    At least 700hp. Modern TC is very capable.

    23 juin 2016 13:44:29

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    nberry:

    Just received word that my Targa is sitting at the port of Emden and will not get on a ship until July 8th. It's been at the port since June 21st. I also understand that there is a boat that leaves for San Diego on June 28th. What kind of scheduling has my car sitting at a port for almost three weeks when there is a boat leaving within a week?mail

    Probably because you didn't spend enough on options ($190k+ / burn a hole on your wallet) I'm afraid it's part of the P-policy  Smiley

    23 juin 2016 15:05:23

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    BiTurbo:
    nberry:

    Just received word that my Targa is sitting at the port of Emden and will not get on a ship until July 8th. It's been at the port since June 21st. I also understand that there is a boat that leaves for San Diego on June 28th. What kind of scheduling has my car sitting at a port for almost three weeks when there is a boat leaving within a week?mail

    Probably because you didn't spend enough on options ($190k+ / burn a hole on your wallet) I'm afraid it's part of the P-policy  Smiley

    You're probably right. I guy in the US posted he ordered his Targa in late April about the same time I ordered mine and he took delivery of his car this past week. With options his car priced out over $190,000. Smiley


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    23 juin 2016 15:31:12

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    nberry:
    BiTurbo:
    nberry:

    Just received word that my Targa is sitting at the port of Emden and will not get on a ship until July 8th. It's been at the port since June 21st. I also understand that there is a boat that leaves for San Diego on June 28th. What kind of scheduling has my car sitting at a port for almost three weeks when there is a boat leaving within a week?mail

    Probably because you didn't spend enough on options ($190k+ / burn a hole on your wallet) I'm afraid it's part of the P-policy  Smiley

    You're probably right. I guy in the US posted he ordered his Targa in late April about the same time I ordered mine and he took delivery of his car this past week. With options his car priced out over $190,000. Smiley


    Err, to tell you the truth... Smiley


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    23 juin 2016 15:36:55

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Fil de discussion fermé

    C'mon...do you really want Nick to get a heart attack? indecision


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    23 juin 2016 15:59:30

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    Well... smiley


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    23 juin 2016 16:16:38

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    Since Nick's car is not loaded yet, maybe he is very lucky for the delay kiss


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