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    Jun 22, 2016 6:03:26 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    How much turbo-power can one manage with only rear wheel drive and no nannies?  

    IMHO it is getting a bit silly when street legal cars for enthusiasts far out-power race cars for professional drivers. Then again, just my opinion and clearly there is a market for these cars.


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    Jun 22, 2016 7:05:24 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    bluelines:

    How much turbo-power can one manage with only rear wheel drive and no nannies?  

    IMHO it is getting a bit silly when street legal cars for enthusiasts far out-power race cars for professional drivers. Then again, just my opinion and clearly there is a market for these cars.

    650hp would be absolutely no problem - the old GT2RS with 620hp has virtually no traction issues at all Smiley

    Jun 22, 2016 8:00:10 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    MKSGR:
    bluelines:

    How much turbo-power can one manage with only rear wheel drive and no nannies?  

    IMHO it is getting a bit silly when street legal cars for enthusiasts far out-power race cars for professional drivers. Then again, just my opinion and clearly there is a market for these cars.

    650hp would be absolutely no problem - the old GT2RS with 620hp has virtually no traction issues at all Smiley

    I bet it will be more than a 25hp gain after 7 years...


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    Jun 22, 2016 8:03:36 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    I guess there is a limit for just how much power every specific car can handle. Just look at Koenigsegg... Not even the Stig can keep that one on track

    I think 700 hp will be great on the GT2, but to be honest I prefer NA cars on track so far. But hopefully I will be able to give you a better view on just how good/bad a 700 hp RWD Porsche is on track mid spring 2018smiley

    Jun 22, 2016 8:11:38 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    Grant:
    MKSGR:
    bluelines:

    How much turbo-power can one manage with only rear wheel drive and no nannies?  

    IMHO it is getting a bit silly when street legal cars for enthusiasts far out-power race cars for professional drivers. Then again, just my opinion and clearly there is a market for these cars.

    650hp would be absolutely no problem - the old GT2RS with 620hp has virtually no traction issues at all Smiley

    I bet it will be more than a 25hp gain after 7 years...

    I don't think so - Porsche always keeps an eye on the generation of cars that follow the new car. If they go higher than 650hp the 992 has a problem...

    Jun 22, 2016 8:16:34 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    MKSGR:

    I don't think so - Porsche always keeps an eye on the generation of cars that follow the new car. If they go higher than 650hp the 992 has a problem...

    I'll bet you a beer Smiley  I think the 992 high power models will have hybrid systems with enough power to exceed whatever goes into the GT2.


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    Jun 22, 2016 8:28:02 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    Grant:
    MKSGR:

    I don't think so - Porsche always keeps an eye on the generation of cars that follow the new car. If they go higher than 650hp the 992 has a problem...

    I'll bet you a beer Smiley  I think the 992 high power models will have hybrid systems with enough power to exceed whatever goes into the GT2.

    Ok Smiley But maybe you will have to ship the bottle to Europe Smiley

    Jun 22, 2016 8:41:22 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    I think the car will probably be 650-700 hp.

    Will be needed to get close-ish to 488 GTB, 488 "Speciale", 675LT, P14, and Ford GT while still costing less.

    Jun 22, 2016 8:41:39 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    It will be a great question as to how much power a GT2Rs will make.

    My F12 is borderline putting down 730HP, granted it is a front engine car, the GT2RS will have an advantage there being rear engined, but also the un-linear power delivery of the turbo system.

    Also not sure if Porsche can tune their traction control as good as McLaren, who are quite a bit ahead in that department. 


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    Jun 22, 2016 8:49:52 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    MKSGR:
    Grant:
    MKSGR:

    I don't think so - Porsche always keeps an eye on the generation of cars that follow the new car. If they go higher than 650hp the 992 has a problem...

    I'll bet you a beer Smiley  I think the 992 high power models will have hybrid systems with enough power to exceed whatever goes into the GT2.

    Ok Smiley But maybe you will have to ship the bottle to Europe Smiley

    I'd rather deliver it in person (but not beer from here) Smiley


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    Jun 22, 2016 8:56:53 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    I've heard that the Porsche engineers taken this to the limit and got pretty much free hands. Not below 690 hp is the rumor and a VERY capable car in all aspects.....kiss

    Jun 22, 2016 9:06:46 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    By the way Nick, back to Leipzig in three weeks. I'll see if a meet with some one that might know a bit more than "rumors"...yes

    Jun 22, 2016 9:28:16 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    The farmer:

    I've heard that the Porsche engineers taken this to the limit and got pretty much free hands. Not below 690 hp is the rumor and a VERY capable car in all aspects.....kiss

    That sounds like a beer for me Smiley


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    Jun 22, 2016 9:34:27 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    Grant:
    MKSGR:
    Grant:
    MKSGR:

    I don't think so - Porsche always keeps an eye on the generation of cars that follow the new car. If they go higher than 650hp the 992 has a problem...

    I'll bet you a beer Smiley  I think the 992 high power models will have hybrid systems with enough power to exceed whatever goes into the GT2.

    Ok Smiley But maybe you will have to ship the bottle to Europe Smiley

    I'd rather deliver it in person (but not beer from here) Smiley

    Doesn't Coors travel very well?  Smiley


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    Jun 22, 2016 9:37:00 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    fritz:

    Doesn't Coors travel very well?  Smiley

    It doesn't even start off very well Smiley

    We do have excellent small craft breweries in Denver though (more than most any US city).


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    Jun 22, 2016 9:39:11 PM

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    Grant:
    fritz:

    Doesn't Coors travel very well?  Smiley

    It doesn't even start off very well Smiley

    We do have excellent small craft breweries in Denver though (more than most any US city).

    Smiley


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    Jun 22, 2016 9:45:29 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    Driving the CGT 612hp, weighing 3100 lbs and no nannies was enough to tell me cars at that level are beyond my driving capabilities. I suspect that is the case for most of us though we would never acknowledge it.surprise


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    Jun 22, 2016 9:50:25 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    nberry:

    Driving the CGT 612hp, weighing 3100 lbs and no nannies was enough to tell me cars at that level are beyond my driving capabilities. I suspect that is the case for most of us though we would never acknowledge it.surprise

    I think plenty of us would admit that a CGT is a pretty intimidating proposition.  But much better tires, PSM and other safety advancements, PDK or rev-matching Manual (rather than that difficult carbon clutch), and rear-engine traction make a 700hp GT2RS far less intimidating than a CGT, imo.


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    Jun 22, 2016 10:41:26 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    Obviously it is up to one and each other to decided what they can handle in terms of power and
    2WD. The important part is to know your own limits and drive accordingly.

    Jun 23, 2016 5:31:48 AM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    Grant:
    MKSGR:
    Grant:
    MKSGR:

    I don't think so - Porsche always keeps an eye on the generation of cars that follow the new car. If they go higher than 650hp the 992 has a problem...

    I'll bet you a beer Smiley  I think the 992 high power models will have hybrid systems with enough power to exceed whatever goes into the GT2.

    Ok Smiley But maybe you will have to ship the bottle to Europe Smiley

    I'd rather deliver it in person (but not beer from here) Smiley

    Smiley

    Jun 23, 2016 7:54:08 AM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    Even with power "nannies", the driver cannot beat physics (or stupidity for that matter). So yes, the nannies allow non-professional drivers to be sensationally fast in some of these hp monsters but it still takes a good driver to keep everything under control, even with the nannies watching out for you. 


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    Jun 23, 2016 9:59:34 AM

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    "" Power Nannies"", brilliant indecision..

    Yes, my GT3 will still slip with them on..


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    Jun 23, 2016 1:18:37 PM

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    Just received word that my Targa is sitting at the port of Emden and will not get on a ship until July 8th. It's been at the port since June 21st. I also understand that there is a boat that leaves for San Diego on June 28th. What kind of scheduling has my car sitting at a port for almost three weeks when there is a boat leaving within a week?mail


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    Jun 23, 2016 1:37:58 PM

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    At least 700hp. Modern TC is very capable.

    Jun 23, 2016 1:44:29 PM

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    nberry:

    Just received word that my Targa is sitting at the port of Emden and will not get on a ship until July 8th. It's been at the port since June 21st. I also understand that there is a boat that leaves for San Diego on June 28th. What kind of scheduling has my car sitting at a port for almost three weeks when there is a boat leaving within a week?mail

    Probably because you didn't spend enough on options ($190k+ / burn a hole on your wallet) I'm afraid it's part of the P-policy  Smiley

    Jun 23, 2016 3:05:23 PM

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    BiTurbo:
    nberry:

    Just received word that my Targa is sitting at the port of Emden and will not get on a ship until July 8th. It's been at the port since June 21st. I also understand that there is a boat that leaves for San Diego on June 28th. What kind of scheduling has my car sitting at a port for almost three weeks when there is a boat leaving within a week?mail

    Probably because you didn't spend enough on options ($190k+ / burn a hole on your wallet) I'm afraid it's part of the P-policy  Smiley

    You're probably right. I guy in the US posted he ordered his Targa in late April about the same time I ordered mine and he took delivery of his car this past week. With options his car priced out over $190,000. Smiley


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    Jun 23, 2016 3:31:12 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    nberry:
    BiTurbo:
    nberry:

    Just received word that my Targa is sitting at the port of Emden and will not get on a ship until July 8th. It's been at the port since June 21st. I also understand that there is a boat that leaves for San Diego on June 28th. What kind of scheduling has my car sitting at a port for almost three weeks when there is a boat leaving within a week?mail

    Probably because you didn't spend enough on options ($190k+ / burn a hole on your wallet) I'm afraid it's part of the P-policy  Smiley

    You're probably right. I guy in the US posted he ordered his Targa in late April about the same time I ordered mine and he took delivery of his car this past week. With options his car priced out over $190,000. Smiley


    Err, to tell you the truth... Smiley


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    Jun 23, 2016 3:36:55 PM

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    Re: 991 GT2 RS (2017) - Rumors, speculations and gossip Thread Closed

    C'mon...do you really want Nick to get a heart attack? indecision


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    Jun 23, 2016 3:59:30 PM

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    Well... smiley


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    Jun 23, 2016 4:16:38 PM

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    Since Nick's car is not loaded yet, maybe he is very lucky for the delay kiss


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