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    Sep 21, 2008 6:26:28 PM

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    997.2 Sport Exhaust

    Was over at my local Porsche dealer yesterday to attend their 997.2 launch event. While I didn't get to drive one of the two 2S cars, I did have the opportunity to sit in one and rev up the engine

    The exhaust appears to be considerably more sporty (and also a little louder) than stock 997.1 exhaust. And even the idle was cooler!

    My first question to the sales person was whether all of the '09s were going to come with the same exhaust system as the launch cars.


    As far as I am concerned, the stock exhaust on the '09S is a sport exhaust, as I can't imagine the sport exhaust coming in 2010 being much louder.

    Maybe this is how Porsche got several of the additional 30 horses...

    Interested in other observations on the US launch vehicles' exhaust note.

    BTW, the sales person acknowledged that this was the stock exhaust and all of the '09S cars would sound the same.

    Sep 21, 2008 6:44:24 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

    Sport exhaust proper, as from 02/09

    Sep 21, 2008 7:01:49 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust


    There's a sport exhaust option but its not available until feb 2009... at least that's what was told to me when i order my nov build C4 a few weeks back

    Sep 21, 2008 8:22:12 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

    "Sport exhaust proper, as from 02/09"

    "There's a sport exhaust option but its not available until feb 2009... at least that's what was told to me when i order my nov build C4 a few weeks back"

    THANKS, sorry, I meant to say 2009...

    Sep 21, 2008 10:12:41 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

    I test drove a MY2009 C2S (PDK) Cab this weekend. The exhaust sounded about the same as any 997 that I had previously owned or driven. ( The 30 ponies did not come from an exhaust) I'll admit that it might have sounded a tiny bit louder at idle, but certainly no louder at speed.

    I will also say that I was quite disappointed. I am either buying a 2010 tt or 2010 GT3. Other than one of those cars, I won't be buying another 911 until I see and drive the 998/991.

    Sep 21, 2008 10:20:19 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

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    devo said: I test drove a MY2009 C2S (PDK) Cab this weekend. .... I will also say that I was quite disappointed...



    Why were you disappointed?

    Sep 23, 2008 1:08:01 AM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

    I was told it would be available as of Jan 2009... I hope thats true because I have a Jan 2009 build for my C4S Cab.

    Sep 23, 2008 4:56:47 AM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

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    I was told it would be available as of Jan 2009... I hope thats true because I have a Jan 2009 build for my C4S Cab.



    Check out german configurator: 02/09

    Sep 23, 2008 5:20:06 AM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

    Haven't tested 997.2 or heard the sound of a 997.2, so I will gladly be an observer of this thread as news might come up.

    Sep 23, 2008 12:41:32 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

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    devo said: I test drove a MY2009 C2S (PDK) Cab this weekend. .... I will also say that I was quite disappointed...



    Why were you disappointed?



    I didn't think that the car felt any faster than either of my previous NA 997S's. Granted the car was not broken in and I didn't use all of the throttle, but I did use 2/3rds to 3/4 of the pedal and did go beyond 6500 rpms. The sound, as others have stated, is a bit muted or refined (yuk!) compared to the the pre-facelifted cars. PSE will likely correct the quiet stock exhaust, but will not make the engine any more raspy. Also missing was the beautiful intake noise which Porsche engineers bragged about on the previous car.

    As far as PDK, I quess I am just not a fan. Yes, it is fast, but not involving enough for me. I'd rather go slower and have more fun, involvement and control. I will say that Porsche really doesn't get it sometimes, i.e. to offer the 997tt without Sport Chrono is ludicrous and to present a 997.2 launch car to a dealer with PDK but without Sprot Chrono is again, ludicrous, imo. Missing was the aggressive throttle mapping which I so love for a street car. (I know it does not make the car faster, but on the street it makes it more fun to me.) Also I was stuck with whichever shift speed PDK sans SC has. I could not sample the most aggressive shift mode. Even if I could, I am quite confident that PDK is not for me. Porsche's manual gear boxes are excellent with great precision and feel. I don't want to miss that on my next car. And, I know it may sound silly, but I just don't like looking at the center console with what looks like a auto box selector.

    I will say that visually, the facelift is exciting; especially the front. I do like the tail lights, but I think they may have over done the LED daytime look.

    Maybe I am spoiled and 385 horsepower isn't enough, but for close roughly $100k, I should be pretty much blown away. I'd pefer to spend another $35k and get something that does just that.

    I hope that I haven't offended any 997.2 owners or waiters; just my opinions.

    Sep 23, 2008 12:55:01 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

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    I will say that Porsche really doesn't get it sometimes, i.e. to offer the 997tt without Sport Chrono is ludicrous and to present a 997.2 launch car to a dealer with PDK but without Sprot Chrono is again, ludicrous, imo. Missing was the aggressive throttle mapping which I so love for a street car. (I know it does not make the car faster, but on the street it makes it more fun to me.) Also I was stuck with whichever shift speed PDK sans SC has. I could not sample the most aggressive shift mode.




    The fact that SC is an optional extra at cost, is robbery on the part of Porsche. It is such an essential part of realising the performance of their cars, that it should be standard equipment.

    Moreoever, if someone makes the mistake of not ordering SC especially on an automatic, this person ends up with a deficient car in spite of the high purchase cost.

    Sep 23, 2008 4:13:17 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

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    Moreoever, if someone makes the mistake of not ordering SC especially on an automatic, this person ends up with a deficient car in spite of the high purchase cost.




    Heck..., sad but true. However, not all Porsche buyers can be as smart as we are here!

    What's funny? For all that "hatred" of the wart Porsche hasn't offered any alternative. You want SC throttle map (and overboost on TT)? You get a pointless, near-useless wart whether you like it or not.




    Sep 23, 2008 7:52:26 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

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    I will also say that I was quite disappointed. I am either buying a 2010 tt or 2010 GT3. Other than one of those cars, I won't be buying another 911 until I see and drive the 998/991.




    Based on what you said you were probably buying, I'd say, you are never in the market to buy a 997 to begin with, so it should not come as a disappointment.

    I mean, is it a disappointment that the 997 is no TT or GT? I would say, that should have been expected.

    Sep 23, 2008 7:56:33 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

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    Moreoever, if someone makes the mistake of not ordering SC especially on an automatic, this person ends up with a deficient car in spite of the high purchase cost.




    This would also be true if someone spent all the extra money to have a custom interior leather of dark green, and a paint-to-match exterior of pepto-bismol pink. Spend a lot more money and no one but you will ever want that car.

    Sep 23, 2008 9:03:35 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

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    Quote:
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    I will also say that I was quite disappointed. I am either buying a 2010 tt or 2010 GT3. Other than one of those cars, I won't be buying another 911 until I see and drive the 998/991.




    Based on what you said you were probably buying, I'd say, you are never in the market to buy a 997 to begin with, so it should not come as a disappointment.

    I mean, is it a disappointment that the 997 is no TT or GT? I would say, that should have been expected.



    Maybe my example was a poor one, I don't know. But, I believe that my expectations were reasonable. I have owned two 997S's and know what the car feels like. I just thought 385 direct injected ponies would feel better. I did not expect the car to be a TT or GT.

    Signed,
    Not impressed.

    Sep 28, 2008 2:03:20 AM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

    Does anyone know for sure what month they will be starting the sport exhaust? 01/09 or 02/09? I don't see anything on the USA website or in the configurator. So will I be able to get it with an 02/09 build?

    Sep 28, 2008 6:22:49 AM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

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    Does anyone know for sure what month they will be starting the sport exhaust? 01/09 or 02/09? I don't see anything on the USA website or in the configurator. So will I be able to get it with an 02/09 build?



    From german configurator(translated):

    "Sport exhaust system. Note: At the earliest available starting from 02/2009"

    I understand available for production so if you have 02/09 build you should be ok.

    Sep 28, 2008 9:47:08 AM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

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    I will also say that I was quite disappointed. I am either buying a 2010 tt or 2010 GT3.



    Buy a 2009 tt NOW while it's got the GT1 block before it's too late! It's has been confirmed via photos that the 2010 tt will be wet sump 9A1 block. There's a strong rumour that the next GT3 will follow suit as well.

    Sep 28, 2008 4:20:36 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

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    Quote:
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    I will also say that I was quite disappointed. I am either buying a 2010 tt or 2010 GT3.



    Buy a 2009 tt NOW while it's got the GT1 block before it's too late! It's has been confirmed via photos that the 2010 tt will be wet sump 9A1 block. There's a strong rumour that the next GT3 will follow suit as well.



    Thanks for the insight. I have read most of the other threads re: the topic. The MY2010 will have an integrated dry sump, which is really no different that a out board dry sump, and in some ways likely better. I am a believer that the MY2010 tt will be the better car; maybe time will prove me wrong, but only time will tell.

    Sep 29, 2008 6:57:24 PM

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    Re: 997.2 Sport Exhaust

    I just returned from a second PDK 997S test drive. This time I actually used all of throttle. I have to say, I came way totally impressed. I think the problem was that the car did not have SC, so I was driving with too little throttle. Of the three Porsches that I have owned, all have had SC and I have become used to it.

    Anyway, I gave the 997S all of what she had and have to say that I was very impressed. Yes, she felt very fast and as much as I am a six speed lover, PDK was a blast; very fast and efficient.

    I can only imagine how much fun a C2S Coupe with PDK, SC, SPASM and Sport Exhaust will be.
     
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