430 Scuderia SPIDER
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080903.004/ferrari-430-scuderia-set-to-spawn-a-spider-variant
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/news/report-ferrari-building-limited-edition-430-scuderia-spider/
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Emperor said:
This would be as silly as Porsche launching a GT3-RS convertible.
Aren't you forgetting the fact that both the F50 and Porsche CGT are open topped serious performance cars?
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Emperor said:
The difference is that the F50 and CGT are roadsters rather than convertible and didn't have their structural rigidity reinforced resulting in added weight. With that being said close to zero of the CGT's performance is compromised because of the targa top.The supposed 430 Scuderia will be noticeably compromised as a performance car if turned into a convertible. Performance will be noticeably inferior to the coupe.
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ISUK said:Quote:
Emperor said:
The difference is that the F50 and CGT are roadsters rather than convertible and didn't have their structural rigidity reinforced resulting in added weight. With that being said close to zero of the CGT's performance is compromised because of the targa top.The supposed 430 Scuderia will be noticeably compromised as a performance car if turned into a convertible. Performance will be noticeably inferior to the coupe.
Any car which has an open top, especially a high performance one - be it targa or convertible - requires significant strengthening work.
Sep 4, 2008 10:36:04 PM
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Emperor said:Quote:
ISUK said:Quote:
Emperor said:
This would be as silly as Porsche launching a GT3-RS convertible.
Aren't you forgetting the fact that both the F50 and Porsche CGT are open topped serious performance cars?
The difference is that the F50 and CGT are roadsters rather than convertible and didn't have their structural rigidity reinforced resulting in added weight. With that being said close to zero of the CGT's performance is compromised because of the targa top.The supposed 430 Scuderia will be noticeably compromised as a performance car if turned into a convertible. Performance will be noticeably inferior to the coupe.
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Emperor said:Quote:
ISUK said:Quote:
Emperor said:
The difference is that the F50 and CGT are roadsters rather than convertible and didn't have their structural rigidity reinforced resulting in added weight. With that being said close to zero of the CGT's performance is compromised because of the targa top.The supposed 430 Scuderia will be noticeably compromised as a performance car if turned into a convertible. Performance will be noticeably inferior to the coupe.
Any car which has an open top, especially a high performance one - be it targa or convertible - requires significant strengthening work.
Fair enough but you're forgetting that convertible and roadster, targa in particular have different architectures. The structure of the CGT is much different from the structure of 911 cabrio. Cars like the Boxster, MX5 and Z4 are built from the ground up to be performance focused hence the name roadster. The CGT is even on a higher level constructed in a way where the amount of body flex is on the same level as a car with a fixed roof, kind of like an F1 or Lemans car. The F430 has a much larger cabin and isn't engineered in the same way as the F50 and CGT. I'm sure Porsche and Ferrari tested both cars to the level that a targa top wouldn't increase drag of affect rigidity to the level that it would make a difference in notable performance.
In terms of acceleration and achievable speed the Scuderia Spider wouldn't differ too much compared with the coupe. The difference would be felt in cornering and when pushing the car hard. But like you said most of these cars end up as poser riders and probably never touch a circuit unless it's a Ferrari parade. Though there is a chance that Ferrari has worked on some magic here and defied the laws of physics like they did with the magical 599GTB.
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Futch said:Quote:
Emperor said:Quote:
ISUK said:Quote:
Emperor said:
This would be as silly as Porsche launching a GT3-RS convertible.
Aren't you forgetting the fact that both the F50 and Porsche CGT are open topped serious performance cars?
The difference is that the F50 and CGT are roadsters rather than convertible and didn't have their structural rigidity reinforced resulting in added weight. With that being said close to zero of the CGT's performance is compromised because of the targa top.The supposed 430 Scuderia will be noticeably compromised as a performance car if turned into a convertible. Performance will be noticeably inferior to the coupe.
All I can confirm for now publicly is that the car will indeed be open top, and LIGHTER than the Scud.
Think Barchetta with an SOS roof rather than a convertible.
500 worlwide.
I'm on the list.
More info officially from Ferrari later this year.
Last 430 variant before its replacement.
But YES, it is coming and it's gonna be mental!
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intouch1 said:
first market it as ferrari's ultimate track weapon and the throw a spider version at the market.
how silly is that. i would understand a limited f430 spider with more hp and extra bits and pieces. but to base it on the scud is stupid and silly.
as mentioned before it's like porsche doing a GT3RS cvonvertible...
cabs unless built like the cgt of f50 with monocoque construction will never be as rigid as the coupe counterpart.
its far easier for me to accept a 4 door and an suv than a scud spider.
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Tupps11 said:
I think its all just hype. Considering the fact that Ferrari has a one year extension on the 430 model, i can see them entertaining the thought. But if you just look at the model history, no hardcore version of their entry level (ie. stradale) has been made with a drop top. It defies the purpose i'd think.
Not saying it wouldnt be fun, but just not in line with what they usually do. The California is already a new type of car which satisfies the customer demand for a convertible which includes all the toys/options.
Also, dont forget they would be hurting the exclusivity of the scuderia by producing more in convertible form. Again...history shows us that Ferrari generally stick to the initial production numbers of their special cars(few models exempt).
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Rossi said:
Just a few thoughts:
1) There also has never been a frontengined V8 before.
2) Scuderia numbers aren't limited.
3) Scuderia Spider is said to be limited to 300 - 500 cars worldwide.
4) If they can earn money with it, they'll do it.
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Erik said:
Yes, good eyes.
I think a 430 Scuderia would only be acceptable if it is a Barchetta with NO folding roof that adds weight. A panel roof like the carrera GT would be fine. But you still have the issue of needing structural reinforcements that add weight because of the loss of a real roof.