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    Aug 1, 2008 6:07:07 PM

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    Water Leak - Drivers Side

    Had torrential rain here last night (unbelievably bad) and find that in my car near the fusebox on the drivers side to the right of the accelerator pedal the mat is soaking wet.

    Checked the front bonet of the car and the cover covering the battery was slightly not secure and open a bit....

    Had a technician come to my car and pour a load of water around possible area (with this cover covered) and it hasnt leaked. Maybe not enough water/ not powerful enough or the cover sorted it...... Anyway it shouldnt have happened! (hoping it was the cover)

    Going to take it to Porsche to have a look Only 80 odd miles old......

    Aug 1, 2008 6:26:45 PM

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    Re: Water Leak - Drivers Side

    Those darn water leaks are the hardest things to track down next to odd sounds heard when driving. I'm still trying to track down a similar leak issue in a VW New Beetle.

    Keep us posted on progress, so we can all learn from your experience.

    Aug 1, 2008 6:50:47 PM

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    Re: Water Leak - Drivers Side

    Drainage from ventilation system.
    Yes, this is just a guess; but only two weeks ago my wife's sedan suffered a ventilation fan failure. I was a little surprised to find that the fan was located almost up against the right hand side of the car. Fortunately I did not need to remove the dash, it was just one panel from under the dash and there it was. Although todays autos leave so little room from the floorboard to the dash that I did need my reading glasses to see what I was working on.
    I could blame getting old, but I prefer to blame modern design.
    At any rate, the drainage tube prior to the fan area is a likely culprit IMHO.
    My brother had a problem with the rear floor mats getting wet, but that was due to an acutal opening in the floor pan on a GM car. I just don't suspect that on a Porsche.
    Waiting with great anticipation to hear what the dealer says.
    Best of luck for a quick and simple resolution.

    Aug 1, 2008 7:46:23 PM

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    Quote:
    spluff said:
    Had torrential rain here last night (unbelievably bad) and find that in my car near the fusebox on the drivers side to the right of the accelerator pedal the mat is soaking wet.

    Checked the front bonet of the car and the cover covering the battery was slightly not secure and open a bit....

    Had a technician come to my car and pour a load of water around possible area (with this cover covered) and it hasnt leaked. Maybe not enough water/ not powerful enough or the cover sorted it...... Anyway it shouldnt have happened! (hoping it was the cover)

    Going to take it to Porsche to have a look Only 80 odd miles old......



    I hope it is something simple!

    About 10 years when I was living in the UK I had a water ingress problem on a brand new VW GTI, They tried everything and finally they took it to a classic car restorer in south london specialising in restoring Aston Martins. He stripped half the front of the car inside and outside and found that a boxed section in the engine bay had a porous welding which led drops of water inside the box and in continuous rain the accumulation was such for the water to find its way in the rear passenger footwell.

    They fixed it with re-welding and sealants etc.

    Even though it finally fixed I rejected the car because it was a manufacturing fault and the extent of the dismantling necessitated for a proper repair, was such that the car was not new anymore.

    In a few weeks I had a brand new identical car from VW GB.

    Get up,stand up for your rights!

    Aug 1, 2008 7:57:51 PM

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    I guess those things happen, but it should not happen on a new 911.

    Aug 1, 2008 7:58:18 PM

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    Re: Water Leak - Drivers Side

    Quote:
    reginos said:
    Quote:
    spluff said:
    Had torrential rain here last night (unbelievably bad) and find that in my car near the fusebox on the drivers side to the right of the accelerator pedal the mat is soaking wet.

    Checked the front bonet of the car and the cover covering the battery was slightly not secure and open a bit....

    Had a technician come to my car and pour a load of water around possible area (with this cover covered) and it hasnt leaked. Maybe not enough water/ not powerful enough or the cover sorted it...... Anyway it shouldnt have happened! (hoping it was the cover)

    Going to take it to Porsche to have a look Only 80 odd miles old......



    I hope it is something simple!

    About 10 years when I was living in the UK I had a water ingress problem on a brand new VW GTI, They tried everything and finally they took it to a classic car restorer in south london specialising in restoring Aston Martins. He stripped half the front of the car inside and outside and found that a boxed section in the engine bay had a porous welding which led drops of water inside the box and in continuous rain the accumulation was such for the water to find its way in the rear passenger footwell.

    They fixed it with re-welding and sealants etc.

    Even though it finally fixed I rejected the car because it was a manufacturing fault and the extent of the dismantling necessitated for a proper repair, was such that the car was not new anymore.

    In a few weeks I had a brand new identical car from VW GB.

    Get up,stand up for your rights!



    Before worrying too much about your car and letting it spoil your first new Porsche experience, I would let the dealer take a look. Your OPC have treated you very well and will be keen to fix this problem for you. It could be a quick and easy fix. If they need to keep it in they will give you a courtesy car which is always good to improve your driving techniques in

    Keep me informed

    Cheers,

    Chris

    Aug 1, 2008 8:04:48 PM

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    Re: Water Leak - Drivers Side

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    I guess those things happen, but it should not happen on a new 911.



    Obviously, it was an extreme case. I described my experience as an example that UK is a consumer protective environment. So in the end you get what you want if it is justified.

    Aug 1, 2008 8:13:38 PM

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    Re: Water Leak - Drivers Side

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    Quote:
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    I guess those things happen, but it should not happen on a new 911.



    Obviously, it was an extreme case. I described my experience as an example that UK is a consumer protective environment. So in the end you get what you want if it is justified.



    Yes, but one thing is to have to deal with that on a $20k car, another to have that happen on a $100k car. Not acceptable.

    Aug 1, 2008 8:15:13 PM

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    Re: Water Leak - Drivers Side

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    Quote:
    reginos said:
    Quote:
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    I guess those things happen, but it should not happen on a new 911.



    Obviously, it was an extreme case. I described my experience as an example that UK is a consumer protective environment. So in the end you get what you want if it is justified.



    Yes, but one thing is to have to deal with that on a $20k car, another to heave that happen on a $100k car. Not acceptable.



    $150k in rip off Britain

    Aug 1, 2008 8:34:10 PM

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    will see what happens its gonna be tough to find i think as they guy who came out poured loads of water in the rough area and nothing came dribbling out anywhere.... I think it has to be the force of the rain and constant pressure - how can they replicate that :/

    Aug 1, 2008 9:13:26 PM

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    will see what happens its gonna be tough to find i think as they guy who came out poured loads of water in the rough area and nothing came dribbling out anywhere.... I think it has to be the force of the rain and constant pressure - how can they replicate that :/



    That is done during assembly. Some factories test for that on every car. I would expect PAG to do that - apparently not. If I were you I would return the car and get a replacement.

    Aug 2, 2008 7:37:12 AM

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    Quote:
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    will see what happens its gonna be tough to find i think as they guy who came out poured loads of water in the rough area and nothing came dribbling out anywhere.... I think it has to be the force of the rain and constant pressure - how can they replicate that :/



    That is done during assembly. Some factories test for that on every car. I would expect PAG to do that - apparently not. If I were you I would return the car and get a replacement.



    I believe he has to file his complain in and warn of rejecting the product.

    They could say it was an one off since they cannot simulate the incident. They might say that the window was minutely left open, for example. If it happens again in spite of their best efforts to locate, the best thing is to return the car.

    All manufacturers do the water tightness test, "monsoon" as they often call it. But in real life the car might be park on a slope for example in either plane which might facilitate water getting.

    Aug 2, 2008 4:38:52 PM

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    update....

    woke up this morning and the towel i placed on the floor was dry.

    started driving (less than 1/2 mile) and my wife noticed dripping coming from above around the area above the fuse box..... therefore is seems like water has accumulated from the previous test and when car moved caused it to drip out.

    took car to garage and they are going to look at it.

    In the meantime they gave me a gen2 basalt black courtesy car...

    Noticed that on this car the battery cover was alot more "water tight" than mine - therefore thinking that water should not really get into this area (which it did because of the slightly open compartment when it rained - causing original leak and also when tested the guy poured water into there and again leaked when car moved)

    Will keep you all up to date!

    Aug 2, 2008 7:22:08 PM

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    Quote:
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    update....

    woke up this morning and the towel i placed on the floor was dry.

    started driving (less than 1/2 mile) and my wife noticed dripping coming from above around the area above the fuse box..... therefore is seems like water has accumulated from the previous test and when car moved caused it to drip out.

    took car to garage and they are going to look at it.

    In the meantime they gave me a gen2 basalt black courtesy car...

    Noticed that on this car the battery cover was alot more "water tight" than mine - therefore thinking that water should not really get into this area (which it did because of the slightly open compartment when it rained - causing original leak and also when tested the guy poured water into there and again leaked when car moved)

    Will keep you all up to date!



    As i said before you have a good OPC looking at it. Nice that you have a Gen 2 C2S to rip about in whilst yours is being fixed....

    Cheers,

    Chris

    Aug 2, 2008 7:42:10 PM

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    Car Wash!

    Aug 2, 2008 7:45:23 PM

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    Car Wash!



    EH?

    Aug 2, 2008 7:47:26 PM

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    Noticed that on this car the battery cover was alot more "water tight" than mine - therefore thinking that water should not really get into this area (which it did because of the slightly open compartment when it rained - causing original leak and also when tested the guy poured water into there and again leaked when car moved)

    Will keep you all up to date!



    Thanks for keeping us informed. Re the battery, I doubt that that is the issue, unless the 997 battery compartment design is radically different from my 996 C4 design, which I do not think it is. In my case, I saw water around the battery several times when washing the car and it was never a problem.

    Aug 2, 2008 10:28:43 PM

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    maybe or maybe not - my cover was not on properly and it was torrential rain so maybe the amount of water that got there caused it to leak through - i am just guessing...

    Aug 2, 2008 10:43:29 PM

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    maybe or maybe not - my cover was not on properly and it was torrential rain so maybe the amount of water that got there caused it to leak through - i am just guessing...



    If that is the case... you should ask them how the water runs inside, and if that is normal.

    Aug 3, 2008 4:52:54 AM

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    will see what happens its gonna be tough to find i think as they guy who came out poured loads of water in the rough area and nothing came dribbling out anywhere.... I think it has to be the force of the rain and constant pressure - how can they replicate that :/



    Should have referenced the originating question. sorry!

    But an automated Car Wash might recreate the problem.

    Aug 3, 2008 6:50:29 AM

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    I had a similar experience last weekend. I found that the driver's side door carpeting was soaking wet after a torential rain. Something that never happened to me before, including generous waterjet carwashing. I will let it dry and see if this reoccurs. I expect it to a one off event.

    Aug 3, 2008 7:08:47 AM

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    I had a similar experience last weekend. I found that the driver's side door carpeting was soaking wet after a torential rain. Something that never happened to me before, including generous waterjet carwashing. I will let it dry and see if this reoccurs. I expect it to a one off event.



    If I were you I would like to know what caused it. If it happened once it will happen again.

    Aug 3, 2008 7:48:02 AM

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    I had a similar experience last weekend. I found that the driver's side door carpeting was soaking wet after a torential rain. Something that never happened to me before, including generous waterjet carwashing. I will let it dry and see if this reoccurs. I expect it to a one off event.



    Yes that is exactly what happened here!!! I have never experienced rain like it before..... no excuses to why it happened tho....

    Is yours a gen2?

    Aug 3, 2008 10:28:38 AM

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    Quote:
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    I had a similar experience last weekend. I found that the driver's side door carpeting was soaking wet after a torential rain. Something that never happened to me before, including generous waterjet carwashing. I will let it dry and see if this reoccurs. I expect it to a one off event.



    Yes that is exactly what happened here!!! I have never experienced rain like it before..... no excuses to why it happened tho....

    Is yours a gen2?



    Was the car on level ground?

    Aug 3, 2008 9:28:36 PM

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    slight angle towards drivers side.....

    Aug 3, 2008 10:18:56 PM

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    I am very interested in understanding what's going on. I'm pretty sure you will get your car back soon, but it's key to learn what went on. Water pathways are well determined. Either something is wrong - an orifice/interstice that should not be there - or something is out of place or not plugged right.

    Aug 4, 2008 3:52:31 AM

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    I agree; it is not a one-off event. If the car is parked in the same orientation in another rainstorm of that magnitude, the water will get in again. It doesn't fix itself. It may be like a 100 year flood that only happens every once in a while, but if the conditions are right, it will happen.

    They key is reproducing the conditions. It may indeed be very heavy downpour and driving winds that drive water in horizontally or upward into locations gravity normally would push it down and out of. If thats the case, then there is probably no fix, and you just need to be prepared for the next 100 year flood.

    Aug 4, 2008 4:09:26 AM

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    I agree; it is not a one-off event. If the car is parked in the same orientation in another rainstorm of that magnitude, the water will get in again. It doesn't fix itself. It may be like a 100 year flood that only happens every once in a while, but if the conditions are right, it will happen.

    They key is reproducing the conditions. It may indeed be very heavy downpour and driving winds that drive water in horizontally or upward into locations gravity normally would push it down and out of. If thats the case, then there is probably no fix, and you just need to be prepared for the next 100 year flood.



    And in any case no porsche should leak. No way.

    Aug 4, 2008 5:48:15 AM

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    No it's an October 2004 Carrera S. I had the car for two years and it never happened before or after (it rained big time last week, and everything is dry).

    Aug 9, 2008 2:33:45 AM

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