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Jul 22, 2008 12:31:36 PM
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Re: Panamera starts at 127k
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http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/07/22/por...-hp/#more-23707
And $198K for the AWD V8TT. That car better be a beast or it will attract few buyers....
Jul 22, 2008 12:31:51 PM
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Re: Panamera starts at 127k
Thanks Ron, BUT I doubt it is accurate. the "official" guidance is a premium to the BMW 7 series, MB S Class and Audi A8. Porsche is also saying it should be priced close to the 911 lineup.
I therefore suspect the journalist has translated the price in Euro into US$ at the current rate.
V6 version at Euro 80k (with or without sales tax?) sounds about right.
I doubt the V6 will come first. I suspect V8 and V8 TT will come first and then V6 + Hybrid.
I therefore suspect the journalist has translated the price in Euro into US$ at the current rate.
V6 version at Euro 80k (with or without sales tax?) sounds about right.
I doubt the V6 will come first. I suspect V8 and V8 TT will come first and then V6 + Hybrid.
Re: Panamera starts at 127k
CLS 63 is $95K with 510 HP
Building a large sedan with a V6 is a joke
Engine line-up should be V8, CGT V10, and a water-cooled version of the 917 12 cyl. Those engines inside the porsche sketch could sell for the prices mentioned here if they had the interior quality to match.
Building a large sedan with a V6 is a joke
Engine line-up should be V8, CGT V10, and a water-cooled version of the 917 12 cyl. Those engines inside the porsche sketch could sell for the prices mentioned here if they had the interior quality to match.
Re: Panamera starts at 127k
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EricAlain said:I therefore suspect the journalist has translated the price in Euro into US$ at the current rate.
Yes, that is my thinking exactly. US prices are MUCH lower than what one would calculate by converting the price in Euros or UK Pounds...
Exactly...I just checked the German and US configurators and the new base 911 coupe in the US is $73,500 and in Germany is 83,000 Euros.
Good luck with that.
Re: Panamera starts at 127k
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EricAlain said:I therefore suspect the journalist has translated the price in Euro into US$ at the current rate.
Yes, that is my thinking exactly. US prices are MUCH lower than what one would calculate by converting the price in Euros or UK Pounds...
Exactly...I just checked the German and US configurators and the new base 911 coupe in the US is $73,500 and in Germany is 83,000 Euros.
Right, which means that the Panamera will start at about $70k for a V6 model, not $127k.
Turbo V8 AWD will be around $110k.
Re: Panamera starts at 127k
Yeah these stupid auto bloggers never seen to learn. Inspite making the mistake several times they repeat it by conversting euro prices in to dollar believing that's the sum Porsche will charge in the US.
Euro priced were leaked last week. 80k for base model V6 and 125k for the top of the line.
Euro priced were leaked last week. 80k for base model V6 and 125k for the top of the line.
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Why???!!
Cayenne V6 45k
Cayenne Turbo 100k
Panamera V6 80k
Panamera Turbo 125k
?!
No sense
The Cayenne V6 is 52500 EUR in Germany, incl VAT.
This car is pretty much NAKED.
Here are the rumoured Panamera BASE prices incl. german VAT, they aren't accurate but may be a good indication of what is coming.
Panamera V6: 60000 EUR
Panamera V8: 75000 EUR
Panamera V8 TT: 115000 EUR
Again, just "play figures", nothing real. Don't expect a bargain though. The rumoured 160-180000 EUR figure was for the TOP MODEL, a possible Panamera V10 Turbo(!) with something close to 700 HP and 4WD.
Porsche expects to "catch" a lot of S-class and especially BMW 7-series customers but also Audi A8 customers.
Of course they also count in various Cayenne owners who may want to switch from "Off-Road" to "Street".
There was also a rumour at a time that Porsche will offer a V6 TT instead of a NA V6 but all I can say is that the Panamera V6 will have a 3 in front of the power figure, the V8 may even get a 4.
The Panamera is rumoured to be pretty heavy, I wouldn't expect a weight of under 1.8 tons for the V6 base car, the top model will very likely exceed 2 tons.
Again: just "rumours".
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The Panamera is rumoured to be pretty heavy, I wouldn't expect a weight of under 1.8 tons for the V6 base car, the top model will very likely exceed 2 tons.
Again: just "rumours".
But weren't there also some rumours about Panamera's special lightweight contruction?
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The Panamera is rumoured to be pretty heavy, I wouldn't expect a weight of under 1.8 tons for the V6 base car, the top model will very likely exceed 2 tons.
Again: just "rumours".
But weren't there also some rumours about Panamera's special lightweight contruction?
After the Cayenne, I don't expect anything "lightweight" from Porsche except their "real" sports cars.
Jul 23, 2008 7:35:04 PM
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RC said:
The Panamera is rumoured to be pretty heavy, I wouldn't expect a weight of under 1.8 tons for the V6 base car, the top model will very likely exceed 2 tons.
Again: just "rumours".
But weren't there also some rumours about Panamera's special lightweight contruction?
After the Cayenne, I don't expect anything "lightweight" from Porsche except their "real" sports cars.
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Re: Panamera starts at 127k
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Of course they also count in various Cayenne owners who may want to switch from "Off-Road" to "Street".
Thats interesting... RC do you think that the Panamera will have a higher "social acceptance" rating in Germany at the moment than Cayenne (despite not much better economy)? If so, Pan sales would partly just offset declining Cayenne sales... lots of unknowns...
BTW is Panamera officially confirmed as the final name? Or could they surprise people with something like Evora??
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Rossi said:After the Cayenne, I don't expect anything "lightweight" from Porsche except their "real" sports cars.
Yes, my hope is that with the Panamera sedan and coupe (ala 928) that they will be able to make the 991 (next 911) even sportier, smaller, and lighter than the 997, since they'll have the luxury market well represented already
Re: Panamera starts at 127k
Clearly, PAG will market the Panamera lineup for the USA in $ amounts well below the translated exchange rate. For me, the sheer size and weight of the vehicles, especially the AWD turbo (V8 and V10?) variants (important for me for winter traction plus my power addiction), causes serious pause to say the least. Glad I have the Audi RS4 for the family sedan/winter driving. The RS4 is heavy enough (just under 4,000 pounds at 3,980), so to think of more than 500 pounds more plus a longer wheelbase in the Panamera, even with 700HP, it will drive like a 747.
Jul 24, 2008 2:24:01 AM
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Rossi said:After the Cayenne, I don't expect anything "lightweight" from Porsche except their "real" sports cars.
Yes, my hope is that with the Panamera sedan and coupe (ala 928) that they will be able to make the 991 (next 911) even sportier, smaller, and lighter than the 997, since they'll have the luxury market well represented already
I hope so too. Maybe only sportier styling though, because the mule already has wider tracks than the 997 so it's likely to be bigger :
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-...rst-spy-photos/
But if it finally is constructed from aluminium, and assuming the engine does not get heavier, there's a chance it will be lighter..
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