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    Jul 9, 2008 5:29:49 PM

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    First F142 test mule ?

    http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/233795/

    The most likely option since the F142 is said to be slightly smaller than current F430.

    Possible specs ?

    4,8l V8 DI
    570cv
    510Nm
    1400kg
    335km/h
    0-100km/h < 3,5s
    0-200km/h < 10,5s

    Jul 9, 2008 5:37:44 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

    Yes please

    Jul 9, 2008 7:58:14 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    Yes please



    Whoa! 599-like performance and more nimble to boot . Markus, is there another Ferrari in your future?

    Jul 9, 2008 8:01:46 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

    I think thats exactly what this car is. The 430's successor is due out next year & nobody knows a thing about the car. This must be it.

    Jul 9, 2008 8:18:17 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    Yes please



    Whoa! 599-like performance and more nimble to boot . Markus, is there another Ferrari in your future?



    I am extremely curious about this F142...

    Jul 9, 2008 9:31:35 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    Yes please



    I'll take one as well.

    Jul 9, 2008 9:32:21 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    Yes please



    Whoa! 599-like performance and more nimble to boot . Markus, is there another Ferrari in your future?



    I am extremely curious about this F142...



    You're not the only one, dude.

    Jul 9, 2008 11:04:16 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    4,8l V8 DI
    570cv
    510Nm
    1400kg
    335km/h
    0-100km/h < 3,5s
    0-200km/h < 10,5s



    Way optimistic acceleration figures for such specs.

    Jul 10, 2008 6:33:17 AM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    4,8l V8 DI
    570cv
    510Nm
    1400kg
    335km/h
    0-100km/h < 3,5s
    0-200km/h < 10,5s



    Way optimistic acceleration figures for such specs.



    Why? A Ruf 550 Turbo will do 0-200 km/h in under 10,5 seconds, and with 200 kg more.

    Jul 10, 2008 9:35:54 AM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    4,8l V8 DI
    570cv
    510Nm
    1400kg
    335km/h
    0-100km/h < 3,5s
    0-200km/h < 10,5s



    Way optimistic acceleration figures for such specs.



    Why? A Ruf 550 Turbo will do 0-200 km/h in under 10,5 seconds, and with 200 kg more.



    how much CO does this car emit ?

    Jul 10, 2008 11:10:48 AM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    4,8l V8 DI
    570cv
    510Nm
    1400kg
    335km/h
    0-100km/h < 3,5s
    0-200km/h < 10,5s



    Way optimistic acceleration figures for such specs.



    Why? A Ruf 550 Turbo will do 0-200 km/h in under 10,5 seconds, and with 200 kg more.



    Cause it's of a different breed. It's a 911 with all the weight over the rear axle which means it has no problem getting all the 550hp and 780Nm down to the ground. It's AWD as well.

    So with that being said the acceleration figures are pure fantasy.

    Jul 10, 2008 11:44:57 AM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    4,8l V8 DI
    570cv
    510Nm
    1400kg
    335km/h
    0-100km/h < 3,5s
    0-200km/h < 10,5s



    Way optimistic acceleration figures for such specs.



    Why? A Ruf 550 Turbo will do 0-200 km/h in under 10,5 seconds, and with 200 kg more.



    Cause it's of a different breed. It's a 911 with all the weight over the rear axle which means it has no problem getting all the 550hp and 780Nm down to the ground. It's AWD as well.

    So with that being said the acceleration figures are pure fantasy.



    With independently tested dynamics of 430 Scud, these numbers are entirely plausible.

    What seems to be the problem ? 0-100km/h is basically Scud level (+ new electronics, tires available) and 100-200km/h only about 0,5s better. Why not with a new significantly uprated engine ?

    Jul 10, 2008 1:03:04 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

    I think the engine stays the same and gets DI, much like the california one.

    Jul 10, 2008 1:37:36 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    4,8l V8 DI
    570cv
    510Nm
    1400kg
    335km/h
    0-100km/h < 3,5s
    0-200km/h < 10,5s



    Way optimistic acceleration figures for such specs.



    Why? A Ruf 550 Turbo will do 0-200 km/h in under 10,5 seconds, and with 200 kg more.



    Cause it's of a different breed. It's a 911 with all the weight over the rear axle which means it has no problem getting all the 550hp and 780Nm down to the ground. It's AWD as well.

    So with that being said the acceleration figures are pure fantasy.



    The 100-200 km/h sprint doesn't really depend on traction any more, so that is moot. If the heavy 599 can do it with 626 PS and much more weight, I have no doubt that the F142 can as well .

    Jul 10, 2008 1:58:02 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    I think the engine stays the same and gets DI, much like the california one.



    Wasn't there the saying it will get biturbo as well?

    Jul 10, 2008 2:31:00 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

    Ferrari did not repeatedly mention turbocharging for nothing, guys.

    Jul 10, 2008 2:37:54 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    Ferrari did not repeatedly mention turbocharging for nothing, guys.



    My thoughts exactly.

    Jul 10, 2008 3:02:06 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    Ferrari did not repeatedly mention turbocharging for nothing, guys.



    There were some rumours mentioning 3,6l V8 DI Biturbo with about 600hp.

    However, it now seems the F142 will get a NA 4,8l V8 while the first car that will feature V8 Biturbo and all those green gadgets - energy recuperation, mild hybrid system as in F1 in 2009 etc. - will be the Enzo successor, which will show the direction Ferrari will take in the future.

    Then in 2014, the F142 facelift/successor will get greener as well.

    I really think it makes sense to make the enzo successor by far the first Ferrari with new, greener approach.

    Jul 10, 2008 6:19:12 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

    Quote:
    mv said:
    http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/233795/

    The most likely option since the F142 is said to be slightly smaller than current F430.

    Possible specs ?

    4,8l V8 DI
    570cv
    510Nm
    1400kg
    335km/h
    0-100km/h < 3,5s
    0-200km/h < 10,5s


    Jul 10, 2008 7:52:14 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    Ferrari did not repeatedly mention turbocharging for nothing, guys.



    There were some rumours mentioning 3,6l V8 DI Biturbo with about 600hp.

    However, it now seems the F142 will get a NA 4,8l V8 while the first car that will feature V8 Biturbo and all those green gadgets - energy recuperation, mild hybrid system as in F1 in 2009 etc. - will be the Enzo successor, which will show the direction Ferrari will take in the future.

    Then in 2014, the F142 facelift/successor will get greener as well.

    I really think it makes sense to make the enzo successor by far the first Ferrari with new, greener approach.



    I don't think so. Why? Lamborghini has a LP560-4 with 560hp, the facelifted 997 turbo will have something like 520hp, with power pack even more. Ferrari already uses the V8-DI in the California and the Scuderia has 510hp. If Ferrari wants to keep the pace, they have to do something. So I really think we will see a biturbo-V8 with something like 550 to 570hp in the F430 successor.

    Jul 10, 2008 8:15:05 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    Ferrari did not repeatedly mention turbocharging for nothing, guys.



    There were some rumours mentioning 3,6l V8 DI Biturbo with about 600hp.

    However, it now seems the F142 will get a NA 4,8l V8 while the first car that will feature V8 Biturbo and all those green gadgets - energy recuperation, mild hybrid system as in F1 in 2009 etc. - will be the Enzo successor, which will show the direction Ferrari will take in the future.

    Then in 2014, the F142 facelift/successor will get greener as well.

    I really think it makes sense to make the enzo successor by far the first Ferrari with new, greener approach.



    I don't think so. Why? Lamborghini has a LP560-4 with 560hp, the facelifted 997 turbo will have something like 520hp, with power pack even more. Ferrari already uses the V8-DI in the California and the Scuderia has 510hp. If Ferrari wants to keep the pace, they have to do something. So I really think we will see a biturbo-V8 with something like 550 to 570hp in the F430 successor.



    Do you think 570hp NA 4,8l V8 DI would be not good enough for keeping the pace ?

    Jul 10, 2008 8:26:56 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

    There wont be 4.8L DFI with 570hp...

    Engine will be different...

    Jul 10, 2008 8:28:58 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    Do you think 570hp NA 4,8l V8 DI would be not good enough for keeping the pace ?



    First I have my doubts tnat the current V8 is capable of 4.8 litres. Second I think that the difference between the 460hp-DI-V8 in the California and an upcoming NA-DI-V8 would be not big enough to justify the price difference. Third I guess that Ferrari will have problems to fulfill future emission legislation with a high revving DI-V8 instead of a biturbo-V8. Also I think if already the entry model has basically the same V8, it would be difficult for Ferrari to justify the massive price increase for the F142.

    Jul 10, 2008 8:35:27 PM

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    Agree Rossi.

    Kreso, I am not insisting on the fact there will be 4,8l V8 DI with exactly 570hp. But the 4,8l V8 is likely to come. We will see.

    Do you have any solid info ?

    Jul 10, 2008 8:37:35 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    Agree Rossi.

    Kreso, I am not insisting on the fact there will be 4,8l V8 DI with exactly 570hp. But the 4,8l V8 is likely to come. We will se.

    Do you have any solid info ?



    You said that 70% of my info is not accurate so...

    Jul 10, 2008 8:42:17 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    Agree Rossi.

    Kreso, I am not insisting on the fact there will be 4,8l V8 DI with exactly 570hp. But the 4,8l V8 is likely to come. We will se.

    Do you have any solid info ?



    You said that 70% of my info is not accurate so...



    Yep, true. But still, there are those 30%.

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    Agree Rossi.

    Kreso, I am not insisting on the fact there will be 4,8l V8 DI with exactly 570hp. But the 4,8l V8 is likely to come. We will se.

    Do you have any solid info ?



    You said that 70% of my info is not accurate so...



    Yep, true. But still, there are those 30%.



    More like 30% times 3...

    Jul 10, 2008 9:52:00 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

    Forgot about the most important argument, why it has to be a biturbo-DI-V8 with close to 600hp:

    I REALLY WANT ONE!

    (and if it's just because not to be overtaken by those goddammit 997 turbos any longer )

    Jul 10, 2008 9:56:37 PM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

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    Forgot about the most important argument, why it has to be a biturbo-DI-V8 with close to 600hp:

    I REALLY WANT ONE!

    (and if it's just because to not be overtaken by those goddammit 997 turbos any longer )



    It would really be something, wouldn't it.

    I hope they go for the all new engine, cause the current V8 always sounded a bit borring to me. In hardware itself and as sound aswell.

    Jul 11, 2008 2:12:10 AM

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    Re: First F142 test mule ?

    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    Quote:
    mv said:
    Quote:
    shin said:
    Ferrari did not repeatedly mention turbocharging for nothing, guys.



    There were some rumours mentioning 3,6l V8 DI Biturbo with about 600hp.

    However, it now seems the F142 will get a NA 4,8l V8 while the first car that will feature V8 Biturbo and all those green gadgets - energy recuperation, mild hybrid system as in F1 in 2009 etc. - will be the Enzo successor, which will show the direction Ferrari will take in the future.

    Then in 2014, the F142 facelift/successor will get greener as well.

    I really think it makes sense to make the enzo successor by far the first Ferrari with new, greener approach.



    I don't think so. Why? Lamborghini has a LP560-4 with 560hp, the facelifted 997 turbo will have something like 520hp, with power pack even more. Ferrari already uses the V8-DI in the California and the Scuderia has 510hp. If Ferrari wants to keep the pace, they have to do something. So I really think we will see a biturbo-V8 with something like 550 to 570hp in the F430 successor.



    Do you think 570hp NA 4,8l V8 DI would be not good enough for keeping the pace ?



    Yes because remember Ferrari is going to cut the size and weight of their future cars.
     
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